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Clarified Spoiler Policy for Your Review
In light of the situation in this sub-forum regarding spoilers, the staff have put together the clarification below to help make it even clearer what sorts of novel information is okay and not okay in anime threads, and where such information can be posted. The intention is that we will begin strict enforcement of the Spoiler Policy, as clarified in this post, as soon as we re-open the Episode 2 thread.
We want to provide this opportunity for everyone to read the clarified policy and provide any feedback about areas they consider unclear or confusing. To be clear, this is not a new policy, and we are not considering changing the rules at this time. But we want to make sure that the rules are explained as clearly as possible so that no one has an excuse when we begin issuing bans. So if there are any questions you have about our rules that are still not explained well in this post, please let us know. There are a number of people familiar with the source material for this show, and so we would like to explain our expectations regarding spoilers. FAILURE TO ABIDE BY ANY OF THE RULES IN THE SPOILER POLICY, AS CLARIFIED IN THIS POST, WILL RESULT IN AN AUTOMATIC ONE-DAY BAN ON THE FIRST OFFENCE. Subsequent offences will result in infractions and longer (including permanent) bans. 1. Do NOT post ANYTHING from or based-on the source material about future content in anime threads This means:
Generally, such discussion is permitted in only two threads: 1) the Source Material Discussion thread (Manga, Light Novel, or Game as appropriate) or 2) the Spoilers & Speculation thread. Limited spoilers are permitted in Character Discussion threads provided that they are clearly-marked and properly-labelled (see more information about that below). Limited spoilers are also permitted in the Q&A thread in direct response to a question, again provided that the spoiler is clearly-marked and properly-labelled. Images that contain characters and situations not-yet-animated are permitted in the Image Thread behind properly-labelled spoiler tags, so long as the image itself does not spoil the story, and any potential spoiler is not discussed in the Image Thread (more on that below as well). 2. ALL Comparisons of current animated content to the source material, or questions answered about current anime content based on source material information, MUST be in properly-labelled spoiler tags Properly-labelled spoiler tags means you must identify the NATURE of the spoiler:
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[spoiler=comparison of episode 2 to the novels]my comparison here[/spoiler] Spoiler for comparison of episode 2 to the novels:
DO NOT place a spoiler tag without a label, and DO NOT use a poor label like "spoiler" or give away the spoiler in the tag label! The purpose of the spoiler tag is to help people make a decision about whether or not they wish to open the tag. When replying to a post that uses spoiler tags, please ensure the spoiler tags are preserved in your quote, and that your reply also uses properly-labelled spoiler tags. From this point forward, failure to either use a spoiler tag for comparisons, or to give it a proper label as defined above will result in the automatic ban. Please note that other acceptable and required uses for spoiler tags are outlined in the Spoiler Policy. This includes also information from official sites/blogs, and comparisons to other stories. 3. Do NOT otherwise discuss the source material inappropriately For example:
4. Do NOT use the spoiler tag for images or other things that aren't spoiler-related We have some new tags that can be useful to you:
5. DO REPORT any inappropriate spoilers you find Please use the Report Button to notify the site staff about any violations you find to the above rules in this or any other anime thread on the Forums (in any section). If you're not 100% sure, please feel free to report it anyway. All reports will be reviewed by the staff prior to any action being taken. Please do not reply to the spoiler in the thread or point out a spoiler in public, as this will only draw more attention to the spoiler.
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2012-07-16, 09:00 | Link #2 |
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Noted. I assume this will be entering the main spoiler policy FAQ? Because a strict literal interpretation of the current policy (which appears to be the preffered interpretation practiced) would support what I'd suggested prior, in my last PM to you.
The next question, therefore, is what does "limited" mean, as without a yardstick, this is a rather subjective term. Personally I'd suggest a spoiler in the Q&A thread that directly addresses a question would best define the term "limited", but sometimes an in-depth answer may be required, to which a "limited" spoiler may not suffice. That's my only point of concern at the moment. I suppose if anime viewers get too eager, we'll have to keep replying, "Click here to go to the Q&A thread to get your question answered."
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2012-07-16, 09:38 | Link #3 |
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How does this spoiler policy relate to these so-called "Side-stories" that people kept on talking about in the ep2 thread? I mean, if they are, in fact, "Side-stories" in the literal sense of the word, then they should have no place in an episode discussion would they?
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2012-07-16, 09:47 | Link #5 |
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Are you saying that nothing that happens in the episode ever happened during the main story?
See, this is the exact reason why the whole spoiler thing is such a blur. People have been alluding to a lot of things that haven't happened in the actual episode, but I have no idea whether these things are spoilers or not because I don't know anything about the source material. |
2012-07-16, 10:05 | Link #7 | |
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2012-07-16, 10:15 | Link #8 |
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Ok, so if I get this correctly, the correct syntax would be...
"Oh my god, I can't believe they left out...." followed by whatever they left out in a correctly labeled spoiler tag. <<== If this is the case then no rules are being broken? As in, if it's not a future spoiler, but it hasn't appeared in the episode itself, it should go in a spoiler tag? |
2012-07-16, 10:20 | Link #9 |
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I'm not too fond of the rule that someone familiar with the light novel can't post in spoiler/speculation for anime-viewers only, but it's alright.
I like to disconnect myself from any lingering knowledge I have of the source material when I watch my stuff. I mean, given my familiarity with the source material, I tend to avoid anime-only discussions anyway since it's very difficult to disassociate the fact that you have source knoweldge, but there are times when I feel that I can quantify something I perceive from the lens of an anime-only viewer and discuss with that.
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2012-07-16, 10:30 | Link #11 |
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Yeah, I didn't mind at all that people elaborated on, for example, the boss fight. Or even some of the game mechanics. But then there were people talking about scenes that never happened in the episode, such as interactions between Kirito and Asuna which apparently happened before this I dunno? If it were up to me, I'd prefer not to hear this stuff, should I ever decide to read the LN later on, I'd prefer not to have the whole thing spoiled to me.
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2012-07-16, 11:16 | Link #12 | |
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2012-07-16, 11:35 | Link #13 |
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Be aware that such "complementary information" can always be introduced later, if the events are drastically altered.
As such, events that could "not possibly be introduced later on" are safe (i.e. the whole "bread" issue with Asuna in episode 2, if I understood correctly). However, if events are skipped altogether and potentially introduced later on, please be aware they can be considered as spoilers (for example, events that can have their chronological appearance being shuffled together without any clear impact to the original story).
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2012-07-16, 12:29 | Link #14 |
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It's not the bread, but rather Kirito and Asuna's actual first meeting in a dungeon that was cut out that people were howling about. This event technically can be written in later, but only with such a drastic and disruptive rewrite that the result cannot be compared to the original source, and LN readers would not expect it.
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Thanks to everyone for your feedback. I posted some minor updates to the wording based on the feedback here and also among the staff which should help make things a bit clearer. I will try to address some of the accumulated questions (though other staff may also contribute their own answers):
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I would say that I am concerned that the character discussion threads are basically nothing but novel threads right now that talk about a character. This is an anime discussion forum, not a novel discussion forum, and the focus of the character discussion threads should primarily be the character in the anime. So "limited spoiler" also means "don't go overboard". Pure novel conversations are better left for the novel thread in most cases. We realize that not every single case will be cut and dry, and the mods will usually try to give the benefit of the doubt so long as the person is sincerely trying to be conscientious and aware of the policy. Quote:
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Well, I think I'm going to post the policy shortly, but I'll leave this thread in the sub-forum to answer any further questions that may come up. I really do appreciate everyone's patience as we try to work this through and make this as enjoyable a discussion environment for as many different people as possible. I realize that means that novel readers will need to show more discipline, but I consider that the burden of knowing the source in a world where not everyone does or even wants to. Thanks to all for your cooperation both in the way you post, an with reports. And for people who choose to not read any of the many warnings and end up getting banned while claiming "ignorance"... well, sorry, but we tried.
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