Character Discussion - Suzaku

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by X_Danny_X

lol, dying at such high altitudes, why bring this up? its an anime for god sakes, not every little aspect about reality is going to be in an anime. somebody's is pissed off because Kallen got the short end of the stick in this fight.


Kallen should of died and passed away if she didnt received help while Suzaku survived a devastating death all on his own and would of lived when we count no interference. That is why alot of people believe Suzaku is the winner.

she didnt accomplished or prevented nothing in that fight while Suzaku accomplished what he needed to do to do Zero R.

if it had to go to hand to hand battle assuming Kallen was to escape her Guren , Kallen would be defeated easily by Suzaku. Kallen is only an ace with a mecha, in hand to hand, she is no match for Suzaku and would lose easily. The fight will go the same way as in the island fight except Kallen with her clothes on.

i wouldnt normally respond
but if you insist on re raising the subject then so be it
i'll let the official site argue for me
kallen's profile update on Geass-net has been updated.

Spoiler for kallen's profile update:

She shook off her feelings for Zero, and, in her attempt to defeat Zero and put an end to everything, fought like a raging lion[ess]. Although she won in a one-on-one duel with Suzaku, she was unable to turn the tide of war and the world surrendered to Lelouch. (#25)

p.s
suzaku told C.C that he was lelouch's sword and she should be his shield
kallen (who had been both sword an shield for him since early in season 1) defeated both
if lelouch hadnt taken over the damocles by then the OOBK could still beat him
they did take the avalon over
c.c and suzaku were both out of the fight (since kallen destroyed both of their machines)
jeremia was out of the fight since the zig was destroyed (he took anya out of it as well)
and his army had been devestated by friya bombs
she didnt stop lelouch (although she did come very close to killing him herself)
but she paved the way for the OOBK to do it (except it was already too late)

[X_Danny_X]

dear god. official site..... i seriously laugh........hahahahahahaha...lol. thanks for that blade. i needed that. lol

***shakes head****

Geass-net. oh god no!!!! official site....bwahahaha. anyhow official websites cannot be consider canon material to everything in the anime. generally when it comes to mech specs and other info but stuff like what we are talking about, no no.

you have to hear it from the writers themselves such as when they announced that Lelouch was really dead and there is no more debate on that, well at least i hope so. lol


just for the hell of it man, i'll bite. give me the link.

[Pink-chan]

I always feel that Suzaku will somehow joins hand with Lelouch towards the end of the series no matter how it turns out and he did. Together, there is nothing they can't do anyway

[Knight Of Zero]

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

I always feel that Suzaku will somehow joins hand with Lelouch towards the end of the series no matter how it turns out and he did. Together, there is nothing they can't do anyway

Such nonsense ya know I don't understand Y they believe that

[NyxOne]

Because it's true. Lelouch has the perfect analytical mind and Suzaku, save by Kallen, is unbeatable in combat, Taniguchi's words. He said it himself that, if they had allied at Stage 4, the Order would have been invincible. Hell, Lelouch and Suzaku, till Kallen came along, were invincible.

[Eliarine]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

Hell, Lelouch and Suzaku, till Kallen came along, were invincible.

Still are. Their goal was to complete the Zero Requiem, and they managed to do just that.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Eliarine

Still are. Their goal was to complete the Zero Requiem, and they managed to do just that.

keep in mind that if the OOBK had pulled their thumb out of their asses and sent some forces to the damocles they would have won
lelouch didnt have any other KMF's there
and the only real defeanse he had there was suzaku
so kallen basiclly cleared the path for them
and if suzaku hadnt disabled her with that last attack she might have even been able to take lelouch out as well (since like i said there were no other KMF's there)
in the end kallen almost stopped their plans single handedly
and thats pretty impressive when you consider that they were facing both shnizel and xing-ke who both proved less of an obsticle

[NyxOne]

So Akatsukis, and the Shen Hu which Suzaku pummelled into near submission, would have been able to stop the Albion? They're lower gen, they have no chance.

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by Eliarine

Still are. Their goal was to complete the Zero Requiem, and they managed to do just that.

Let's not forget their 19.04 seconds combo. Not anyone can achieve that.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

So Akatsukis, and the Shen Hu which Suzaku pummelled into near submission, would have been able to stop the Albion? They're lower gen, they have no chance.

there was no albion
kallen destroyed it
if they moved after that (which kaguya seems to know about) then they would have won

[Eliarine]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

keep in mind that if the OOBK had pulled their thumb out of their asses and sent some forces to the damocles they would have won
lelouch didnt have any other KMF's there
and the only real defeanse he had there was suzaku
so kallen basiclly cleared the path for them
and if suzaku hadnt disabled her with that last attack she might have even been able to take lelouch out as well (since like i said there were no other KMF's there)
in the end kallen almost stopped their plans single handedly
and thats pretty impressive when you consider that they were facing both shnizel and xing-ke who both proved less of an obsticle

Yeah, I know. Kallen is the main protagonist of the series after all, so that's not surprising.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Eliarine

Yeah, I know. Kallen is the main protagonist of the series after all, so that's not surprising.

not protagonist
there is another word that might fit better (its one thats often used to discraibe the protagonist)
more so after lelouch stopped being one himself (cant really call him one after his actions in the last arc)

but jokes aside
it IS true that she almost stopped his entire plan single handedly

[Eliarine]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

but it IS true that she almost stopped his entire plan single handedly

And it's also true that she failed. Lelouch and Suzaku didn't.

[FreiheitFirewolf]

i don't believe that

The Guren Energy wings are destroyed into the battle, it can't Fly

Damocles is near of reach orbital height, and the KMF cannot operate, in case that Tristan carry the Guren

and the OotBK are half-destroyed for the Mt Fuji strategy, and the Damocles is a Air Superiory ammo

be carefully

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by FreiheitFirewolf

i don't believe that

The Guren Energy wings are destroyed into the battle, it can't Fly

Damocles is near of reach orbital height, and the KMF cannot operate, in case that Tristan carry the Guren

and the OotBK are half-destroyed for the Mt Fuji strategy, and the Damocles is a Air Superiory ammo

be carefully

consider what would have happened if xing-ke had gathered some akatsuki's and attacked the damocles after kallen destroyed the albion
what stops them from taking the damocels over (aside from the fact that lelouch had already taken over the friya switch)

[NyxOne]

But they couldn't, because if they did, Lelouch could have easily FLEIA'd them to oblivion.

[morbosfist]

No he couldn't. It takes ten minutes to load a warhead. Lelouch had the fear factor on his side. They had no idea of the reload time, ammunition stores, or firing limit of the Damocles. They wouldn't risk attacking it.

[NyxOne]

Okay, I'll give you that. But, still, fear factor. That and his soldiers would have swiftly intercepted any attacks on their 'master'...

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

But they couldn't, because if they did, Lelouch could have easily FLEIA'd them to oblivion.

thats the whole point
thats the only reason he won in the end (becouse he had taken over the damocels)
if they had attacked five minutes before that they would already be on the damocles and would have taken him down
his army got friyaed have to death
c.c was out of the fight
suzaku was out
jeremia was out
the avalon was taken over
and all he had left were mooks
if he didnt use the friya then he'd be dead (even kaguya asks C.C if she'd plead for his life, since she was under the impression that the tides had turned )

[NyxOne]

It's the 'only reason', but it's what Lelouch intended to do anyway.