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Maybe that's what the author wants, maybe that's how real relationships are like- Love and Hate. Quote:
That being said; I don't particularly think the Kinji/Aria pairing is good material. But like I've said- maybe that's why the Author is going for? A pairing that doesn't happen smoothly and hence more realistic? Quote:
Blushing and being all worked up is normal bread-and-butter. What I meant is that she has all these girly traits like liking Soft Toys and being afraid of Thunder and can't swim, which is fine because all Tsunderes have one girly trait or another, but she's also suppose to be this experienced tough-as-nail, lone wolf gunslinger girl that doesn't take crap from no one and doesn't give two-hoot about what others think. So far I'm getting the exact opposite impression. She's too emotionally vulnerable and obviously cares very very much what other say or think. How many trigger issues does she have? 'Mother', 'Trust', 'Friendship' etc... Plus she likes to play the 'tears game' whenever she and Kinji gets into their mandatory volume falling out- That's a big NONO a Tsundere's tears are suppose to be the Nectar of the Gods, you don't just play card whenever you feel like it. Essentially, she comes off as too girly and needy, which clashes horribly with her bratty nature. Quote:
But I'm sure you've noticed since it was in your rant, but it feels like we're walking forwards and back with this relationship. Essentially, whatever development or progress they supposedly have, I would advice not to invest too much faith into it.
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But oddly enough I find it a bit charming, it's whats keeps me going, it's a bit unlike most I've seen, but yes I admit. It's a bit annoying. Quote:
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Also her bratty nature reminds me of a certain other Tsundere, namely Kirino from "My little sister can't be this cute" I read through an episode forum for every episode, and holy hell did people hate her, they hated her to the very core. Which is funny too me, because her actions (While they were horrible and very selfish) didn't phase me. *shrug* maybe I'm just a masochist and the idea of a woman verbally and physically abusing me sounds good. Quote:
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I guess the author didn't want it to go that fast so he had to abruptly break it, with the classical anime cop out. Needless to say, I got pretty pissed and it really did lower the feel of the sixth and seventh novel, for me at least. Although, my inner fanboy did rejoice a bit in the second and third chapter of the seventh novel. Also a question, I guess you aren't particularly fond of Aria, seeing your posts. I don't mean to call you out or go all angry fanboy on you, just a curious question Also, have you read all the novels? With that I mean, do you understand Japanese well enough to have read the non-translated ones.
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To put it simply; as she is right now- can you imagine Aria on her own surviving all around Europe? Quote:
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Not being fond... Is a recent thing; a revelation of sort. I thought I could like her, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that a good number of people are crazy about her- but I just can't seem to fall for her the same way I fell for Anna, Shana, Hinagiku, Mikoto, Hitagi, Tsukasa, Felli, Senhime, Victorique, Ryouko, Kagami, Ginko, C.C, Kyou, Misaki, Alice, Akari, Akeno, Takako, Fumino, Rika, Junko, Mio, Adilicia, Utau, Minami, Haqua and Zakuro.
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*Shrug* I guess it's just me. It's just that I hate those sort of cop outs and the fact that I got so immersed and then the writer was just like "Oh, you were immersed? Well suck on this *BAM*"
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Her character design is interesting enough to get ones attention but the character it's self is more of a typical seen it all before. I would like to see a character like Aria surrounded by more interesting character because lets face it besides from Riko, Hidan No Aria didn't have the most stimulation casts. Not to mention it had one of the worst and most eye rolling excuse for a love interest competitor I've seen since Shakugan No Shana. Still characters like Aria are always put in the same scenario; girl meets boy, girl very mean to boy, girl feels insecure about feelings, girl finally admits feelings and then second season comes along and they seem to forget all their revelations in order to drag out the whole dense "do I like him or not" thing again.
Not that I hate Aria it's just I hate the tired scenario these otherwise interesting characters are put in, I'd like to see how a prequel story/ origin spin off story to Hidan No Aria would play out but then again we'll never see that happen will we. But overall I like Aria but tell me one thing, why in the name of Christ is she not the main character in the show that is named after her, I mean she's in the damn title. Ok, ok she is a main character but she mostly takes a back seat. Instead the screen time is mostly selfishly hogged by Kinji. Not that I hate him. |
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Plus I think it's a given fact by now that name in title not equal to lead star protagonist character all the time, even less would they be in the series all the time. Otherwise... Look at what's happening to the Nanoha series- because people just can't get over her name in the title, they restrict themselves in the story- being forced to never stray far from her. If you restrict yourself to a damn title, you're story is not going to get very big because you're focusing only on one character.
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Well what do you expect when nearly all male leads in these types of anime are basically a pathetic attempt at self inserted fanfiction, meaning that the MC is meant to be the author or at least who the author wishes he was. I wouldn't mind that if they all weren't generic looking and just plain bland personality wise.
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By your account, all story writers are sad sods that are merely living out fantasies am I right? And judging by your statements, your measure of a character falls solely on his capability and methods of interacting with the opposite gender, and in a series which had a few more dimension in it's story, that's abit short-sighted of you isn't it? Quote:
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Well I certainly got told. I didn't go about explaining that one very well did I. There is a pattern you see. Alot of these manga and light novel writers are single males and most possibly an otaku, when they write a story they most probably wanna project them self's as the courageous stalwart hero of the land. (Hell lots of people do) Now in order to make them seem sincere they give the character that they project onto a default personality, the dense, bewildered teen with a sense of right and wrong. Believe it or not that's a strong possibility. I was being a little bias when I called it a pathetic attempt but I'm just longing for a series like these with some compelling characters. It could be a cash in attempt since the whole boy meets loli girl, love triangle thing is ridding high at the moment but soon enough something's gonna need to change. Quote:
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Writers don't automatically project themselves into the main character they try to write, you're discriminating writers base on the story they write and the characters they use. That's like saying everyone that watches Anime are otakus- a shut-in and delusional. Quote:
Likewise the synopsis of this series tells you that the lead character and pov would be Kinji's not Aria. I highly doubt you would go into the series completely blind.
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As an example I am holding and reading the back of my Corpse Princess DVD (Or Shikabane Hime) On the back of the case it says nothing of the guy who's pov's the story, nether dose the cover nor back art hint to it much if at all, all I see is a pissed off looking chick with a gun in hand with some faces in the background. But if you pop that sucker into the DVD player..... low and behold it's mostly about some teen guy. I see where your coming from I really do but I'm just really annoying about going into something expecting one thing only to get smacked in the face by the same song and dance I've seen so many other times. But still I'm starting to tread ground on things I've already said and I'm tired. I have nothing against the medium it's self and I'm an avid manga collector I just wish the majority of writer's would approach these things a little more open minded instead of; cute girl on front and BAM! Boy's pov. Seriously leave some innovation for the for the rest of us Da Vinci. Last edited by Top Gear Tony; 2011-07-09 at 07:45. |
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I do understand where you're coming from; I myself have some personal ticks for some series that may or may not seem fair. They're all minor details but they can annoy you.
I can't make you like a story you don't like; in the end, I'm only asking not to judge the author because of the story he chooses to write, I don't think that's too unreasonable. I mean, we Anime fans already have a Stigma, no need to discriminate each other further Secondly, I cannot make you like a character you don't like; but I think you shouldn't judge a character base solely on his interaction and relationship with the opposite gender. If this was only a romance/comedy series, I would have nothing to say because that's ALL you have to judge him with. But because this is also an action series, you should also take into account how well he performs under fire.
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Aye, then let's leave it at that then.
But before this rather heated debate finishes you seriously can't tell me that you've never felt like swatting the authors hands away form the writing desk, give him or her a colouring book and some crayons so he can go doodle in the corner while you rewrite the whole thing into something more meaningful or at least try to save that damned train wreak, cause I have, even with some of my favourites. Damn we went a bit off topic there, huh? I lost track of time. Last edited by Top Gear Tony; 2011-07-09 at 07:46. |
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Heh, everybody thinks they can do everybody else's job better Of course there are times where I think certain scenes can be done better and I don't think I would lose out when it comes to creativity. But I never think I could do his job better than him; otherwise I would have written my own book by now. It's one thing to have creativity, it's another to have the skill to convert that creativity into words. Have you written fanfiction before? It's quite a humbling experience to be honest. Alright I'll leave that as that.
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Speaking as someone who hasn't read the novels, could someone give me a run down of what's happened. That or give me a kind boot in the right direction as to where I may find these novels. (Preferably in English.)
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Do enlighten me, how I have not read it and do enlighten how I piss you off. Quote:
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Also when I write it, it looks extremely boring and bland, but if you read it how the writer wrote it, it will be a lot better. Trust me. You can read the novels in English at Baka tsuki. http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/in...=Hidan_no_Aria That is just the end of the fifth novel, which is in my opinion one of the most annoying cop outs I've seen in anime/novel so far.
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