2011-02-02, 04:40
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so thats it...thats the answer to battler's closed room. Quote:
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2011-02-02, 04:48
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2011-02-02, 05:04
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i'll be going then thanks you let me reach the truth.this will be my last post in this topic for now,i'll come back after ep8 is translated. Last edited by unsuspectingvisitor; 2011-02-02 at 05:26. |
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2011-02-02, 05:39
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I don't think he's ever mentioned Shkanon theory and regardless, this is what he was arguing earlier:
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2011-02-02, 11:34
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Fiction is the "key," I think. The idea that perspectives need not necessarily be "truth or a lie or a gloss on something that really happened," but the possibility that a perspective can hold truth value while being entirely fictionalized and not representative of actual facts.
Things like Shkanon or the advancement of a particular culprit all fall under this umbrella. Shkanon is, at its heart, basically a constructed fiction meant to demonstrate something without actually showing it. Likewise, "Kyrie and Rudolf did it" can just as easily be interpreted as "the truth would hurt you deeply if you knew it." It allows the games to be approached holistically, which appears to be the part that matters in the end.
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2011-02-02, 14:24
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i agree with this ^^^^^ what Renall said
 Also, When i knew that the Maria-Holic Voice Actor played Kanon i had no desire to even consider he had anything with the plot. I thought that if someone had a real connection to the plot it would be anyone besides Kanon ..in a literal sense., even, Shannon i never thought R7 would do another Mion-Shion thing....so i always was on other therories..knwoing i might be missing something but to me it was like geroge he he possible could have a hundred therorys based on him but he was such a boring chracater ui refused to waste my time on him knowingly full well if i was wrong that would be a big boo woo, i d rather be wrong on the plot answer than consider a really dumbass character has anything to do with it. Ill have 99 percent more fun coming up with crack therories than coming up with a 100 percent right george or kanon theory LOL its like if you say JFK was really assassinated by peter jennings, even if true would be so boring i just wouldnt care LOL mystery wise its unsolvable as is as Bern has trolled so much fantasy wise this makes much more sense, with how only Beatrice can exist if battler does and there is plenty of ways to come up with lots of cool answers he could have pulled of a fantasy story that does have a mystery solvable answer.... If there is a Rei OR other SEries im sure it will be more of the Bernkastel and Lambadelta etc, because the things that connect these series are the CONCEPT not the actual Kakeras (or the ones that can travel between them like rika and hanyuu in higurashi and Bern and lamba, featherinne in Umineko) of possible outcomes, and i hope Bern continues to be our HOST to these games. Actually as long as i know Bern is around i 'll know no matter how the end of the "mystery " ends, i ll know the next round will be entertaining and i can say that Umineko was entertaining as hell with all the characters and all of it. In spite of what anyone thinks it was entertaining fiction to read and made my imagination run wild. I loved how many things i came up with for every part of each story, whether they turned out right or will eventually or not, but it was just a amazing ride......1-4 was great and 5 with Erika was just awesome.. R7 as long as he brings more cool plots and characters execpt george i kept imagining Shiki' Ryogi's friend in "kara no kyoukai " and kanon just beyond dulll but then again that kinda was the point, so i do understand LOL liked pretty much all of the characters in higurashi and Umineko, my favs were Shion, Bern , Lamda, Beatrice, and Eva, rosa, maria and jess she reminded me of shion in a way, I like how he is like Carr in the fact he seems to prefer smart ,attractive, devious women as his villians (if kyrie really is his culprit) so far LOL . Or how he had me rooting for maria to actually have played a bigger part in the crime....(still think she did) I loved how in kara no kyoukai your rooting for Shiki RYOUGI till the 7th movie... and even the then you dont know if she is the cuklprit or not, thta how maria and jessica were fro me if they were the villains or not i would have been rooting for them the whole time i still hink they would hav emade the best tagteam.... just for fun was anyone else's first theory that Krauss blew up the island for insurance money, that what i thought after arc 1 LOL.
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2011-02-02, 17:06
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Smion was about two people who could act like one another (correct me if I'm wrong because I've only watched the most of the animu version and read on wikipedia) and the Shkanon was about one person acting as two different people. Pretty similar. Next WTC will have yet another twin thing going on... XD
Really wished Kanon had more development... :<
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2011-02-02, 17:45
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Well, two people pretending to be the same person, their personalities merging into one. One person pretending to be two people, their personality splitting into two.
(obviously an oversimplification) Just seems like one of those "ironic opposite" things ("Her body was burned to hide the fact that she was still alive. His body was burned to hide the fact that he was long dead"). |
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2011-02-02, 22:09
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Okay you guys, best theory of all time.
Ange is the culprit. Yes, you read me right. Ange. You see, everyone's always been an asshole to Ange. Eva treats her like a snivelling brat, the cousins forget her, her mother was just using her to get control of Rudolf, and Maria stopped being friends with her after their fight. The only person who was ever nice to her was Battler, and because of his sin (forgetting Beatrice, causing the cascade of events that caused him not to come for six years), Ange grew up without her brother. She had to kill them all for the suffering she went through. Also she's kind of a petulant and evil brat. She faked being sick, and then stowed away in the back of the boat, then skittered around the island doing the murders and/or Bomba. Shkanon is indeed actually necessary to the plot in order to cover up the number count. It's a troll. So she kills everyone. She is infact the one who sent out the first two message bottles, forging Yasu's handwriting and set the bitch up (This is why Meta-Beatrice is both suicidal and wanting to hide the truth; she's a personification of this fictional martyrdom of Yasu, but she wants the truth to get to Battler). It was infact ANGE who hijacked Beatrice's innocent game, so no one figured out the horrible truth in the script until it was too late. Eva managed to escape, knowing the horrid truth. Yasu killed herself, since her game allowed this opportunity and she felt at fault. Battler and Ange actually hilariously collided on the way out and both of them drifted to different shores with amnesia of varying degrees. Eva, knowing the truth, found and raised Ange, and realizing that the girl was amnesiac and retained her sweet personality prior to becoming embittered, and seeing that she fabricated fond and warm memories of her family, decided not to tell her the truth, and raise her lovingly. But because this is the little girl who killed her precious family, resentment and hatred slipped out. Eva is a tremendously strong woman for being as genuinely loving as she was. Ange grew up never realizing the truth, and always yearning for her dear brother, who rises above all the other victims in her heart for some reason she can't seem to figure out despite their limited interaction. She entertains fantasies of magic, and even gains the title of "Beatrice"....why is that? And why...WHY, does she comment that "she did something terrible to Maria, and somehow I feel that it played a role in that tragedy"? If Maria had been her friend still...the tragedy would not have come to pass. Why can Ange, someone who wasn't on Rokkenjima, travel to 1986's Meta World? She was there. Why does Bern keep torturing Ange disproportionately? Because she deserves it. It wasn't a witch who spoiled Ange's relationship with Eva, it was her own subconscious, personified as the heartless monster that dresses up as a character from Onii-chan's favorite novel. It's the same reason Ange can see and interact with Erika in 1998, and why Bern/Erika keep "taking Ange's side" in a sense. It's why Battler decided the catbox should be closed, and Ange should move on with her life. It's the truth so terrible that Ange rejects it at the very end, then decides to fake her death. It's why Ange, prior to Battler getting through to her, decided that she could trade her life if she knew the truth. Ange fucking did it, and her entire personal journey was her trying to reclaim that memory, not knowing it would destroy her. Battler only wished to spare her little sister. Just as Toya felt that the memories of Battler would destroy him, Battler felt the memories would destroy the good-hearted Ange. Fuck yeah, I solved Umineko and all it's problems.
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2011-02-02, 22:14
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2011-02-02, 22:19
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I agree... I love this theory more than you could know. It really gives meaning to otherwise meaningless things... I hope an Umineko Rei plays on this theory, it would be amazing.
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Edit; Oh, that makes sense, never mind. Okay, now reality hits me... are you saying a six year old girl killed everyone? But, this could really explain Erika quite well.
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2011-02-02, 23:32
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Also evil kids are always genius kids. It's like a law.
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2011-02-02, 23:51
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