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Old 2014-05-20, 11:38   Link #33801
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Also doubt we're going to get an war or even armed conflict between China and Vietnam over the sea dispute. China can just bring economic pressure on Vietnam if China wants some ego, which it is somewhat currently doing by taking back its citizens and investors.

Besides, I thought the Vietnam government officials actively prevented a mass anti-Chinese demonstration on Sunday? Is that a sign of them trying to back down and placate China, or rather because they are in general averse towards any public gatherings?
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Old 2014-05-20, 11:47   Link #33802
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Earlier they allowed some protests, supposedly peaceful, but then it went out of hand and turned into full-on rioting.

Of late and feeling they're in the same boat, with Putin set to visit China around this month, I'm sure Vietnam will be one of several on the agenda, and it could affect future military equipment acquisitions from Russia.
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Old 2014-05-20, 11:50   Link #33803
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Also doubt we're going to get an war or even armed conflict between China and Vietnam over the sea dispute. China can just bring economic pressure on Vietnam if China wants some ego, which it is somewhat currently doing by taking back its citizens and investors.

Besides, I thought the Vietnam government officials actively prevented a mass anti-Chinese demonstration on Sunday? Is that a sign of them trying to back down and placate China, or rather because they are in general averse towards any public gatherings?
As mentioned earlier,economic pressure from China would means nothing to Vietnam, as there is lack of FDI going both way, and the trade mostly was only on raw resources. China would also get in trouble with WTO in that situation, and will just provide more bullets to US and the West to put economical restriction toward themselves.

In fact an economical sanction may even benefit Vietnam as they can now have a reason to crackdown cheap Chinese goods and service without negative response from other nations

Based on what i see, it seems the Vietnam government actually was trying to keep the public on their side rather than any sign of back down toward China. As that whole incident with looting foreign company did provide negative view on general public, means keep control over demonstration right now do provide positive public opinion
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Old 2014-05-20, 17:23   Link #33804
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To put it simply, protest and rioting under the eyes of Vietnamese government is just one hair away. Before this, protest to China is not illegal, but rarely to be broadcasted on the state-controlled media. However, this time they do, which is a stepping stone about our willingness.

Plus, public opinion is also an important matter. That is why we still haven't sent any warship, despite that two or three fishermen have been beaten by Chinese officials this week, while their tools were confiscated. Even when they were fishing on their tradition area, meaning hundred of years. You guys just don't know how poor fishermen are in Vietnam.

Beside, stealing from anyone is criminal activity and must be punished. If not, everything would had got worse.
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Old 2014-05-21, 02:27   Link #33805
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Book explains why the Iranian mastermind of the 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing in Beruit is
currently living in the U.S.:


"In a new book out today titled “The Good Spy: The Life and Death of Robert Ames,” Pulitzer Prize-winning
biographer Kai Bird tells the story of Ames, a CIA officer who rose to CIA station chief in Lebanon, and was
the CIA’s chief analyst in the Middle East. Ames was killed during the April 1983 suicide bombing attack on
the U.S. Embassy in Beruit, an attack in which 63 people were killed, including 17 Americans.

Among other revelations in the book, one making waves is particularly startling: the Iranian mastermind of
the 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing in Beruit, along with other attacks that killed hundreds of Americans like
Ames, defected to the U.S. in 2007 and provided intelligence to the CIA. Asgari was subsequently granted
political asylum and has remained in the U.S., likely under CIA protection, ever since."

See:

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2014/05...ng-in-the-u-s/
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Old 2014-05-21, 11:07   Link #33806
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Madrid matadors gored by bulls at festival launch

Hurray to the bulls. Take that humans!
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Old 2014-05-21, 12:19   Link #33807
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Madrid matadors gored by bulls at festival launch

Hurray to the bulls. Take that humans!
I'm definitely not sorry for these guys, go bulls, go !!!!
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Old 2014-05-21, 12:22   Link #33808
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Well, the bull will still end up dead, even if he ''win'' .
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Old 2014-05-21, 12:50   Link #33809
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the bull ends up dead either way, at least he can take someone with him.
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Old 2014-05-21, 13:42   Link #33810
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EBay customers must reset passwords after major hack

No one safe these days.


Cop, rabbi, scoutmaster among arrests in child porn bust

"They are people children are supposed to trust: A New York Police Department officer, a Fire Department of New York paramedic, a rabbi and a scoutmaster were among more than 70 people arrested in a major child porn bust, a U.S. law enforcement official said Wednesday."
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Old 2014-05-21, 13:45   Link #33811
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No one safe these days.
No one safe ever.
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Old 2014-05-21, 13:46   Link #33812
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I actually was worried after my twitter was hacked. So I went and go on a password changing spree. But when I went to ebay I was not actually on the database. It seems it was so long since I last used it that they deleted my account. So I consider that a blessing.
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Old 2014-05-21, 22:57   Link #33813
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Been so long since I used ebay had to go and reset it anyways...
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Old 2014-05-22, 01:03   Link #33814
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But now Mrs. McKendry, 56, the eldest daughter in the family, says she is no longer afraid to speak up. Out of the house when her mother’s abductors came, she says she was told their names by her siblings immediately afterward. She says she gave those names to the police in March, after she became convinced that they were serious about investigating the murder. She has also filed a civil suit against Sinn Fein.
“If they want to put a bullet in my head, well, they know where I live,” she said in an interview at her home outside Belfast.
In this city where walls up to 45 feet tall still separate Catholics from Protestants, a very different kind of wall has sprouted over the years: one of fearful silence over injustices committed within the same community, at first in the service of war, and then, after the 1998 Good Friday peace agreement ended decades of violence, in the interests of peace.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/wo...g.html?hp&_r=0

peace or justice?


if you have t choose one, which?
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Old 2014-05-22, 04:01   Link #33815
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peace or justice?


if you have t choose one, which?
How about blame their god?
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Old 2014-05-22, 04:47   Link #33816
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How about blame their god?
Blame the one who told them to love their neighbor?
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Old 2014-05-22, 05:45   Link #33817
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Blame the one who told them to love their neighbor?
They love their neighbour. It doesn;t mean they have to love their neighbour's neighbour. The Bible's pretty clear that love isn't universal and that some people you just have to stone to death or decapitate.
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Old 2014-05-22, 06:14   Link #33818
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They love their neighbour. It doesn;t mean they have to love their neighbour's neighbour. The Bible's pretty clear that love isn't universal and that some people you just have to stone to death or decapitate.
That's an unfortunate misunderstanding of what the Bible says.

The famous "Good Samaritan" story is about 2 strangers. Their neighbor's neighbor is still their neighbor, especially when they are acquainted with each other, as the people mentioned in the article seem to be.

Also, the main command to kill in the Bible is very specifically given to the ancient Israelites who were given a promised land to occupy and make holy so that they may live separately as God's chosen people. No one living in the post-Biblical times can claim that prerogative on the basis of the Bible.
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Old 2014-05-22, 07:19   Link #33819
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Tbh, I feel this line from kingdom of heaven best sum up how I feel about the subject:

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I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of God. I've seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves.
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Old 2014-05-22, 08:02   Link #33820
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In retrospect, it was probably inevitable. The Army is, ironically, the only "political" institution that still functions in Thailand, after six months of protests.

Thai Army Chief announces military coup
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Bangkok (May 22, Thu): Thailand’s military leaders said the national Constitution has been suspended, after seizing power in a coup they said was aimed at ending months of political turmoil.

The development came after Thailand’s army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha seized control of the government in a coup on Thursday, two days after he declared martial law, saying the army had to restore order and push through reforms.

Gen Prayuth made the announcement in a television broadcast after a meeting to which he had summoned the rival factions in Thailand’s drawn-out political conflict, apparently with the aim of finding a solution to six months of anti-government protests.

"In order for the situation to return to normal quickly and for society to love and be at peace again...and to reform the political, economic and social structure, the military needs to take control of power," he said.

The Thai army has a long history of intervening in politics — there have been 18 previous successful or attempted coups since the country became a constitutional monarchy in 1932, most recently when Thaksin was deposed in 2006.

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