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Old 2021-08-04, 10:06   Link #1441
Cosmic Eagle
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Do you really believe this "leak" is real to begin with.
I am skeptical.



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I don't know if it's real or not but in general, MNCs have quite a lot of sway in most developed countries in dispute settlement and other legal areas. A lot of purchasing agreements have terms like that also

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Therefore if someone came up with a cure for COVID, it might be the case that you couldn't legally administer the vaccines anymore in the US. And that's the kind of scenario Pfizer was worried about when they made their sales.
I think facts on the ground all over the globe have progressed too far to stop vaccinating anymore. If it were early stages when most countries were just rolling out vaccines maybe, but now.....

I don't really buy ivermectin either tbh. The most promising ones are the passive immunization with monoclonal antibody cocktails but they obviously have to be updated if new variants are too different from what they can target and for serious disease, where the virus is cleared but the immune response is the one doing the damage, immune modulating treatment regimes
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Old 2021-08-04, 12:27   Link #1442
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I'm not sure if this is the same study but I did hear of something similar being criticised because they filtered out everyone with low viral load...

It's clear from data in the UK that vaccines really do help against Delta, both by reducing hospitalisations and especially deaths. It doesn't seem quite so helpful in reducing spread though. Basically, in the Delta wave, there was a big spike in infections but deaths went up far far less.
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Old 2021-08-04, 23:54   Link #1443
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Just a quick comment, percentage of daily death in my city for those below 60 have jumped from about one half to two thirds; with the delta variant this is no longer a disease that kills mostly the old, worst case scenario is that the next variant will lower more the death age average.

Yeah, over here people 60 and above should already have both jabs, but not so long ago deaths below 60 were sporadic and we are now seeing 20+ deaths a day (today was 33), not less than ten like before the latest wave hit, so it is not like the pool is so small that age jumps all over the place each day.
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Old 2021-08-12, 13:06   Link #1444
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Mhh, surprised no one has commented on this

They test in Israel anti-Covid spray that could cure the disease in 5 days

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...-Asian-markets

As in, really, nitric oxide? sounds too good to be true, but if it is, we would know for sure if the "leaked" vaccine clause about not buying into any cure if available will come into play.
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Old 2021-09-07, 12:42   Link #1445
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https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/...t-chinese-lab/
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NEWLY RELEASED DOCUMENTS provide details of U.S.-funded research on several types of coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. The Intercept has obtained more than 900 pages of documents detailing the work of EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S.-based health organization that used federal money to fund bat coronavirus research at the Chinese laboratory. The trove of documents includes two previously unpublished grant proposals that were funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, as well as project updates relating to EcoHealth Alliance’s research, which has been scrutinized amid increased interest in the origins of the pandemic.
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Old 2021-09-07, 18:02   Link #1446
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Two great new videos by the amazing investigative journalist Kin Iversen, regarding the latest leak on the handling of this pandemic by the US government.

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The research done on this second video regarding comparisons between AIDS and COVID, and the subsequent reaction by the cohosts is well worth a watch.

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Old 2021-09-07, 20:38   Link #1447
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If you think having coronavirus research done at BSL3 instead of 4 is shocking well.....you'll be stunned what else is done at BSL3. And this is an international standard BTW
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Old 2021-09-08, 20:25   Link #1448
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My high risk 92yo grandma and her two caregivers just tested positive. Everyone in the house is waiting for results in our swabs early this morning. Everyone is asymptomatic. If I end up positive I'll have to contract trace everyone exposed to me in the 2 hospitals I work in. That's close to 50 people.

Sigh.
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Old 2021-09-09, 03:47   Link #1449
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Well it finally happened. I finally got COVID from probably one of my patients.
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Old 2021-09-09, 07:01   Link #1450
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Very sorry to hear that. You're vaxxed, are you not?
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Old 2021-09-09, 07:27   Link #1451
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Yes but I'm 6 months out of the second dose and, of course, we don't have boosters shots available here for health care workers like me because it's all with western countries.

For whatever sins Tedros and the WHO have done, they're right that poor nations in the rest of the world need their shots, and HCWs in those countries need their boosters.
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Old 2021-09-09, 08:26   Link #1452
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Hopefully those antibodies are still kicking around in there, doing their job.
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Old 2021-09-09, 18:44   Link #1453
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For whatever sins Tedros and the WHO have done, they're right that poor nations in the rest of the world need their shots, and HCWs in those countries need their boosters.
And to think than some do advocate for third shot in wealthy countries while such large part of the total population haven't got the second or even the first shot.
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Old 2021-09-10, 04:37   Link #1454
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And to think than some do advocate for third shot in wealthy countries while such large part of the total population haven't got the second or even the first shot.
Well you can't blame people for wanting extra protection, but they also don't realize that the extra degree it gives is far less than what it would do for an unvaccinated person, as well as wider vaccinations will reduce the likelihood of variants like Delta and Mu.
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Old 2021-09-10, 18:05   Link #1455
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I don't blame member of the public to want as much protection as they can get (especially as the protection is said to be diminushing with time) even though than a wider vaccination could lead to less death and a reduction of the possibility to the emergence of other(s) variant(s).
What bother me much is than most of the voices calling for 3rd shot I did hear/read were advocate of the industry, not from the scientific community; I might be too cynical but it left me with more the impression of saleman wanting to sell more shots to countries than can afford it.
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Old 2021-09-11, 00:40   Link #1456
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Just found out one of the patients I was taking care of last week ended up going through several cardiac arrests and is currently intubated and on an ECMO machine. He was a pretty positive fella when I had him for two nights. He even told me he regretted not getting the vax and told me that as soon as he gets outta of the hospital he was gonna tell all his family and friends to get vax'd. Seems though that may not happen any more, but hopefully his family understands COVID and the havoc it can do.
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Old 2021-09-11, 19:19   Link #1457
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Well it finally happened. I finally got COVID from probably one of my patients.
Hopefully those Memory T Cells will kick in and this will be a two week vacations, don't forget to take everyday your vitamin D producing sunshine.

In my city, after three weeks with 50+ daily deaths due to covid19, last couple of days we were under fifty and hopefully numbers will start to go down in the weeks to come; that is, until Mu comes in winter, just in time for xmas :/ So it seems 2022 will be repeat of 2020 if said variant is immune to current vaccines, so big pharma will announce version 2.0 of the vaccines and we will see 1st world countries fight for them again. Someone please remind me of the reason why no new factories than can produce more of this state of the art vaccines has been built in the last twelve months.
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Old 2021-09-11, 20:18   Link #1458
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Someone please remind me of the reason why no new factories than can produce more of this state of the art vaccines has been built in the last twelve months.
The bestish argument I heard so far was than the issue was actually the quantity of what they need to produce the vaccine, not too sure if that's true. As the russian vaccine, it seem than they have issue with quality control.
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Old 2021-09-16, 19:06   Link #1459
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Well guys, it is official. The vaccines wear off, and the virus will keep on mutating for a long time to come.

The only real solution to this pandemic is proper treatment, but no organization in the world is promoting weight reduction and a healthy living lifestyle as ways to actively combat severe illness and death against this virus.
I only see patented vaccines and an artificially limited supply of them being promoted as the ONLY way to combat this virus.

Realizing how even in the mists of a worldwide crisis, the sociopaths that run the world will stop at nothing for personal gain is supremely disappointing and disheartening to me.
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Old 2021-09-16, 19:35   Link #1460
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Realizing how even in the mists of a worldwide crisis, the sociopaths that run the world will stop at nothing for personal gain is supremely disappointing and disheartening to me.
I will agree with the dishearthening but not the dissapointing; accumulating wealth and power is the only thing they are set to do and to expect them to do otherwise after the initial shock is maybe more than optimistic.

What I find dissapointing is all the ones on lower levels than don't really gain that much from the system but still help thoses ''sociopaths that run the world'' instead of doing what is supposed to be their job.
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