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Perfect 10 | 40 | 33.06% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 40 | 33.06% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 29 | 23.97% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 6.61% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.65% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.83% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.83% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-03, 16:42 | Link #41 |
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Nope. Because it leaves time for you to get attached to them and makes the impact of their death much stronger.
From a meta fictional point of view, it is actually worse for a character to live and barely get screentime/attention/development. Any fan of Hayate Yagami from the Nanoha fandom can tell you that. |
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Homura's point of view is that being a MG is a death sentence, for good reason. And that every MG is condemned to lose everyone they love and care for (see ep1). This is entirely consistent with her advice to "give up on Sayaka". Quote:
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2011-02-03, 17:06 | Link #44 | |
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For me Homura's personality is fascinating because the mystery that surrounds her and her initial act at trying to kill Kyube. Kyube was real creepy in this episode when he slyly brought the option to Madoka to sign the contract so she could stop those two from fighting and to protect Sayaka.
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2011-02-03, 17:23 | Link #45 | ||||
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Unless Homura is deliberately out for herself and thus doesn't want Sayaka in on the grief seed action, I can't see why she wouldn't make some sort of deal. As we see later in the episode, Homura shows up anyway to save Sayaka, right before Madoka could make the choice. Quote:
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Now, if there is some cynical force at play that deliberately kills off everyone and everything that an MG loves, then you'll have a point. But at this stage, there is no reason to suspect that. Quote:
Edit: I'm going to a little farther here. Homura says it is impossible to raise the dead.... but she's clearly not impartial in this. Madoka finally got around to thinking this (which proves she wasn't thinking it in ep4), so what's the obvious conclusion? If Homura told her it was, it is likely Madoka might have made that wish. It still might be impossible, but we'd need Kyube to say for sure. Last edited by Kaijo; 2011-02-03 at 17:38. |
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2011-02-03, 18:15 | Link #47 |
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What I heard from the conversation between Kyoko and Kyube:
「すべてきみの思い通りにいくと限らないよ。この町にはもうひとり、魔法少女がいるからね。」 「へえ。何者なの、そいつ?」 「僕にもよくわからない。」 「はぁ?どういうことさ?そいつだてあんたと契約して魔法少女になったんでしょう?」 「そうども言えるし、違うでも言える。あの子は極め付きのイレギュラーだ。」 What I think it means: "Not everything is exactly as what you have expected, because this town has another MG." "Oh? Who is that?" (or "what kind of person is that?") "I don't really know, too." "What? What do you mean? Didn't she also contracted with you to become a MG?" "You can say it that way; but it's not that way, too. She is an extreme irregularity." = All I can really conclude was the Kyube is being pretty unclear about what Homura is, or whether Homura contracted with Kyube...besides from the fact that Homura is irregular. |
2011-02-03, 18:39 | Link #49 |
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Okay, having watched the subs, gonna correct some of what I was thinking, to see if I can hit a point. And it'll teach me to take what other people have said for granted, instead of waiting for subs, heh.
Sayaka asks if Kyube can grant any wish, which he replies "Don't worry, your wish is fine." So he didn't really answer the question, but it does imply there are some wishes that aren't fine. We'll see if that's expanded upon later. Homura says she doesn't like to lie. Not that she won't lie. Could be a translation thing, but we'll see. Also, the topic of directly wishing someone back to life wasn't really brought up, nor in reference to Mami. Homura just said, in reference to Sayaka becoming an MG, "At this point, it's a mistake I'll never be able to correct. It's a fruitless as trying to raise the dead." If wishing someone back is impossible, then wishing someone else to no longer be an MG is equally impossible, because Homura is associating those two things. If one is possible (and some theories relied upon Homura wishing that Madoka was no longer an MG), then the other is possible. Personally, given that she wants to stop Madoka from being an MG, I'll take her words while noting her bias. So, still lacking some wish rules, and Madoka still hasn't thought about whether she can even revive Mami. If it goes another ep or two without addressing this, then it might be a sign that Madoka's wish might be to bring Mami back. Or perhaps to choose between that, and another wish to somehow deal with the witch issue. On another note, it's interesting that Sayaka reflects the more standard Magical Girl ideal, of fighting for justice and protecting people (stuff that Madoka paid some lip service to earlier). She's scared, but she won't regret the path she's taken. Acting despite fear, is also called courage. She's not concerned about grief seeds, but simply protecting people. I'm liking, and impressed by, her character more and more, and really hoping they don't screw with her, heh. And apparently the powers of an MG derive from the type of wish. Sayaka having superhuman regeneration because she wished to heal another. I'm actually thinking about challenging the notion that Kamijou is her boyfriend. She might like him, or he could just be a good friend or childhood friend. I don't believe it's stated anywhere. Heh, having watched Nanoha, I'm kinda soured on the whole subtext thing, since it ultimately could mean nothing. In that light, all we know is that she healed a friend, and Kamijou seems really happy. I wonder then, if the possibility is that Kyoko might go after Kamijou. She clearly saw them on the roof, so she kinda knows what Sayaka's wish was. Would killing Kamijou affect Sayaka's powers at all? Or would Kyoko do it just to be cruel, another way of striking at Sayaka now that it seems like Homura might actually defend Sayaka? One last note: Apparently Homura didn't want Sayaka to be an MG, either, and if she's being honest, she felt sorry for not paying more attention to Sayaka. Still, her emphasis did seem to be stronger on Madoka, but it at least makes me question her motives once more: does she want to stop new MG's totally? Or just Madoka? Or was she regretting not stopping Sayaka because of Madoka? Anyway, more questions than anything else, heh. Interested to see where this goes, provided things are addressed. |
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What's her reason to keep Madoka from becoming a MG? Why does she go to these lengths? Why does Homura have the knowledge from the past? Why does she bother to comfort her? Why did she react so strongly when Madoka claimed she'd never forget Homura? So far I haven't been unable to come up with a better explanation than "they knew each other in the past", which consequently poses the question "why did Madoka forget?" - plausible theories welcome. Until then I'll stick with my old "she wished her out" one, because it would explain all questions from the former paragraph very logically. Quote:
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2011-02-03, 19:25 | Link #52 | |
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「だからほむらちゃんにお願いしたにの。さやかちゃんと仲良くしてあげて、マミさんの時みたいに喧嘩しない で、魔女をやっつけるの時も、みんなで協力戦いはずっと安全のはずだよね?」 「私はうそをつきたくないし、出来もしない約束もしたくない。だから、みきさやかのことは諦め て。」 「どうしてなの?」 「あの子は契約すべきじゃなかった。確かに私のミスよ。あなただけでなく、彼女もきちんと関心しておくべき だったら。」 「なら…!」 「でも、責任にを認めて言わせてもらうわ。今と何でも、どうやっても償い切れないミスなの。死んでしまった 人がかえて来ないと同じこと。一度魔法少女になってしまったら、もうの救われる望みなんでない。あの契約は 、ただひとつの希望と引き換えに、すべてを諦めるでことだから。」 「だから、ほむらちゃんも諦めちゃでるの?自分のことも、他の子のことも、全部?」 「ええ。罪滅なんて言い訳はしないわ。私はどんな罪を背負いと、私の戦いをつつくなれならない 。」 I think Homura said "I don't want to lie" vs. "I don't like to" or "I won't"; but oh well..that's just how I think. and I wonder if they actually make the differences. and yeah, it seems like Homura just said that Sayaka becoming MG is as bad and as uncorrectable as having someone dead, not directly stating whether or not you can wish Mami to be revived.. |
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2011-02-03, 19:36 | Link #53 |
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Well Kyosuke was nice to Sayaka and even apologized for yelling at her last time, so he's not that bad anymore.
So Kyube called Homura an irregular. So i take it that Kyoko implied that all MS are contracted with Kyube. How can he not know if he has a contract with her? It's either a yes or no, but since no one else can make those contracts it has to e a yes. Maybe this is where Homura's wish comes into play. I like how direct Homura was about refusing to be friends with Sayaka. Though she did say it was a mistake to not watch her. Also she made a reference to raising the dead which would be unlikely. Kyoko was bad-ass, her fighting style was awesome. She said something about the food chain as in they eat witches and not fighting for justice. It looked like Kyube was a little upset and maybe Kyoko was going to state te truth behind everything. Kyube really doesn't let an opportunity go to make a contract with Madoka, but luckily Homura saved the day, well at leas for now. So Sayaka has regenerative powers because she wished for someone to be healed. So does that mean all MS have powers related to their wishes?
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2011-02-03, 19:43 | Link #54 |
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To me, it seemed more like Kyube was offering the only solution he knew. Granted, it would result in her becoming an MG which he seems programmed to create; but he also told Madoka earlier that she should wait on that because Sayaka would strongly object to it.
It's more like, "Here's one option, the only thing I can think of. But it's up to you, and here are some reasons why you might not want to. Weigh everything carefully, before making such a life-altering decision." It is interesting that he said he can't stop them. Even if he wanted to, he couldn't do anything about it. All he can do is create MG's; that's it. Given how Homura beat him up, he can't even really defend himself. Still nothing said as to what forces an MG to keep fighting, either, even though Homura believed that's how it goes. The series keeps trying to tell us this, but not show why. |
2011-02-03, 19:43 | Link #55 |
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I agree that Kyoko was pretty badass, despite the fact that she's an epic bitch. I love how her staff is like a spear version of Soul Calibur Ivy's sword, though. Awesome!
Madoka really got on my nerves this episode, I don't know why. She just seems so insignificant, whiny, and useless right now. I understand that's probably on purpose, but for the time being, boy, is it irritating. I'm liking Sayaka's character more and more, and it's always nice to see more of Homura. <3 This episode left me begging for more. Can't wait for episode 6 (from the feel of the pacing, some big shit will probably drop in episode 7, but I could be wrong).
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2011-02-03, 19:47 | Link #56 |
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It's interesting question, and it makes you wonder about Mami, since she wished to be healed herself. However, if the wish does influence how the MG turns out, then the thing that's particularly interesting is Homura's shield, since it seems very much in keeping with her desire to protect Madoka.
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2011-02-03, 20:11 | Link #60 |
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Not sure if anyone else noticed, but it seems like there may be some credence to the whole time travel kind of thing, potentially. QB mentions that the type of wish affects the abilities of the mahou shoujo, at least indirectly, with how sayaka has high regeneration capabilities with the wish to heal another. It seems to me, at least the way that the scene was shot, that homura's ability isn't so much teleportation, as we thought, but could be more time manipulation, as in perhaps pausing time. In the scene as she shows up, we can see her moving along from the point of view of a still drop of water, which after she is done moving, the water begins moving again. Also, after, showing the shot of a water drop behind madoka, it suddenly bursts like something has hit it, all while time is paused. So it seems to me that her ability is pausing time or something to that effect, even if only for a short time. Also her item that is on her as she appears looks to be some sort of clock or cyclical kind of thing. So I wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of time manipulation happening there, and could provide a hint to what her wish was. Just some food for thought.
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