2015-01-15, 22:26 | Link #35421 | |
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Japan asks U.S. textbook publisher to 'correct' info in one of it's books about 'comfort women'
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Full article: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.VLh6dyvF-Tk Seriously, Japan? Love you guys, but you need to get your shit straight on all of this and sugar coating Japan during WW II and not owning up to what many Japanese people did during those times. Also, they have some gall to say that these women who were sex slaves were 'common prostitutes'. They say "Oh, btw, they were prostitutes anyway'. No, they were ordinary citizens and they were forced to be sex slaves and they were raped.
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2015-01-16, 03:29 | Link #35422 |
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Meanwhile, IS leader decide that he should show his men his example of the trope "You have failed me."
Baghdadi orders execution of 56 IS members following defeat in northern Iraq The guy must think he's a physical god or something.
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2015-01-16, 08:27 | Link #35423 |
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Fifteen detained after Belgian police kill Islamist gunmen
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KP11O20150116 Saudi Arabia postpones activist's flogging: source http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KP19C20150116 Man takes hostages in post office near Paris - official http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KP1DW20150116
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2015-01-18, 10:45 | Link #35425 | |
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Germany for instance, has apologized for it's past, put heavy laws concerning denial of holocaust (and stuff related to the holocaust) and has made major contributions in keeping peace around the world. More often than not I see on the internet how Japan has to apologize for it's imperial past. I'm not defending Japan but I wonder what it will take for people to actually let the past go (Japanese people and their right wingers too) because at this point every official apology is going to sound unsincere and forced anyway or even simply not accepted. |
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2015-01-18, 14:06 | Link #35426 | |
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2015-01-18, 14:17 | Link #35427 | |
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The equivalent would be the Mayors of Berlin and Munich questioning the Holocausts. The Mayors of New York and Los Angeles questioning slavery in the US.
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2015-01-19, 03:36 | Link #35428 |
Logician and Romantic
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So since they aren't sincere, the money doesn't count then? You want them to pay again?
Japan doesn't have the obligation to make other people HAPPY. That's not what the compensations are for. You can be mad all you like, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Japan had paid back with interest. If you are not satisfied, if you want more, if you want the Japanese to SUFFER, then that unfortunately isn't what the compensation is about. If you hate the Japanese, the only way to make you happy isn't them being sorry. It is by declaring war, killing their women and children, and raze their country to the ground. That's how you get your revenge. Money or saying sorry has nothing to do with making you happy. You want to defend your honour? Then do it. But demanding more money isn't it.
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2015-01-19, 08:58 | Link #35429 |
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China calls Snowden's stealth jet hack accusations 'groundless'
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KS0T820150119 Israeli strike in Syria kills senior Hezbollah figures http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KR0K620150118 Oil prices slip on gloomy Chinese prospects, record Iraq output http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KS02D20150119
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2015-01-19, 10:25 | Link #35430 | |
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2015-01-19, 11:35 | Link #35431 | ||
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Meanwhile, I wish someone can explain to me why we haven't heard much about Chinese and Koreans hunting down ex-pimps who contributed to the situation and may have gone into hiding for decades under a new name. Also, I haven't heard anyone going into a lawsuit against the South Korean government for holding up a very similar system during the Korean War although victims could sue if we go by the same standard compared to the situation with Japan here. Quote:
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2015-01-19, 16:00 | Link #35433 | ||
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You are the one reading stuff that isn't there. My post was about how Japan's apologies isn't seen as sincere. Part of it is japanese voter keeping these right winger in. I wrote nothing about Japan needing to pay additional compensation. Quote:
what are the professors credentials? What is he a professor of?
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2015-01-19, 16:23 | Link #35434 |
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Compensation paid to governments is often separate from those claimed by individuals, that's why for example even after Germany settled such issues with other governments, compensation claims by individuals over things such as forced labor, loss property, etc can and do continue on. This is also why claims by comfort women can continue even when the governments have worked out their sides of compensation.
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2015-01-19, 16:32 | Link #35435 | |
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For Germany, the Nazis (democratically) seized control from the democratic parties of the Weimar republic, arrested or banished some of their politicians, then later the country went to war under Nazi regime. After the war, the (mostly) same parties from before were reinstated, some of their top politicians returning to Germany from their foreign exiles. Because of this, politically it has always been easy for Germany to make a cut and condemn everything we did under Nazi rule. But you have to remember, that whenever our politicians apologized for Germany's warcrimes, even in the years right after the war, it was always with this mindset of 'Sorry the Nazis did those things to you (we are not Nazis though)'. So to compare this with Japan, who quite the contrary tried to maintain a certain political continuity, is problematic. Personally, I am more impressed with Japan's way to handle its past without resorting to conviniently blame everything on some mystical force of evil mindcontrol. They take more of the actual responsibility that way and consequently this seems to cause more turmoil in their conservative and right wing spectrum. In Germany, the topic of regular army and civilian involvement in warcrimes was never touched for a long, long time (basicly we waited until most people concerned died of old age). So much for the comparison of how well we can handle those things without relying on the Nazi booman. Last edited by Dhomochevsky; 2015-01-19 at 16:45. |
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2015-01-19, 17:49 | Link #35436 |
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I just don't get it. If people hate the Japanese so much, why not declare war? Isn't that what you do when you think so low of such people?
Of course, there are much worse people than the Japanese right now, and yet it seems the Japanese are treated like they are some kind of suppressed supervillain.
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2015-01-19, 18:04 | Link #35437 | |
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There is a ton of middle ground between hate and annoy.
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2015-01-19, 18:47 | Link #35438 | |||
Le fou, c'est moi
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I understand that this is a different understanding of how Germany engaged with its legacy than the "they did it all right from the start" portrayal. Either way I know for a fact that the individual compensation program for victims of the Holocaust is still ongoing and will continue until the last survivor passes away. Germany committed at least that much, and that funding genuinely supports the care of the now-senior Holocaust survivors scattered across the planet. Human rights and issues of fairness and justice aside, it was just good PR. Unlike the idiotic Japanese government, which paid very great amounts of reparations themselves to the People's Republic, yet refused to call it that for the sake of "honor" (they called it foreign aid) -- allowing later generations of PRC leadership to conveniently ignore everything Japan ever paid. lol. Quote:
Japanese politicians don't need your moral defense, Vallen. They are scum -- they asked for it. What other modern country's political class would feel the need to come out regularly to screw up sensitive diplomatic efforts or even a heartfelt apology, through victim blaming and neanderthal hatefulness? ...okay, okay, don't answer that. I know who controls Congress now, 'kay? Quote:
And while I understand where you are coming from regarding the idiots in the LDP and those to their right, it's not like Japan's voters were given much choice. The reelection of LDP was almost entirely driven by domestic concerns, namely, the utter failure of the DPJ experiment, not some nationalistic surge and a gung-ho need to start shit. Last edited by Irenicus; 2015-01-19 at 18:59. |
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2015-01-19, 19:54 | Link #35439 | |
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An Byeong-jik (spelling can vary on various websites) Professor emeritus at Seoul National University and 78 years old, his research focuses on economic history of Korea under Japanese colonial rule, but he also taught social science. OK, he has been criticized for a number of positions on many topics, mainly because of his neoconservative views (to which the current SK president adheres to). Still, his position on the topic reminds everyone that wartime prostitution is always and very unfortunately a very lucrative business. Having read that, you can see why anything the self-proclaimed victims say should be taken with a huge pinch of salt. There have been just too many cases of extortion already in the real world. |
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