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2008-05-04, 04:28 | Link #42 | |
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2008-05-04, 04:43 | Link #44 | |
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Saimoe says many things, even so, it never told me that Rika was gonna end up as the winner of the 2007 edition. I wonder...... What is Saimoe gonna tell us this year?
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2008-05-04, 07:26 | Link #45 |
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The biggest variable is how much banning will there be in Saimoe2008. I know that there is a fan club of Hitman Reborn that boosts of more than 1,000 member which became very active in various moe tournaments recently, and another fan club of similar number for the Gintama that became arch-rival of the Hitman group in these moe tournaments in Korea. There also is a smaller, but just as rabid fan club for Code Geass as well. These groups have openly vowed to dominate any moe tournament they can find, which would mean hundreds of votes for any character that appeared in REborn, Code Geass, or Gintama series coming from Korea, which translates to Saimoe actively banning most outside-Japan votes almost from the start. How the ban will be handled will decide majority of the matches as they could easily ban any region not voting the way they want, while allowing the votes from region that have the preference they desire.
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2008-05-04, 10:27 | Link #46 |
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Hmm interesting. I dropped Reborn and Gintama relatively early, both exhibiting the 'neverending story' and humour that didn't suit my tastes. If indeed they are going to be a factor in female moe tourneys (which I find mind boggling, as the amount of females they have is so small like most shounen shows), I think I'll have to restart watching it again.
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2008-05-04, 11:03 | Link #47 | |
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2008-05-04, 11:38 | Link #48 |
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It seems that qtipbrit92 is similar to anti-kyoani what a certain person was to L*S.
If they end in somewhat similar strong groups I can see Tomoyo/Kotomi and maybe Nagisa outrunning any MSLN and Higurashi character by far except Fate. Other than Clannad, MSLN and Higurashi I only see Horo to have a reasonable chance for advancing further, but that has already mentioned several times in this thread. |
2008-05-04, 12:05 | Link #51 |
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If ISML is any indication of the amount of "foriegn" voters in Saimoe, we are looking at 600+ voters from outside Japan verses about 3,000+ Japanese voters. 1:5 isn't all that much as it stands now, but it is enough to tip the balance in tight matches. Now if the more rabid 1,000+ fans groups start voting as well, then the equation will be vastly different.
At least the KyoAni factions seem more randomly scattered. While there may be some orginized fan groups, most encountered KyoAni fans so far have been on their own. That and there are several that cross fan lines for whatever reason and don't blindly vote for a single faction. They also seem to be the one faction that likes to have fun with their matches (Yuki vs. Mikuru (also vs. Haruhi, vs. everyone else and the cricket). The only other character I've seen that is about as fun to vote with or for is Rena Ryugu. And that's only because the "Take Home" mentality works great for Saimoe. "So many cute things....I'm going to take them home!"
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2008-05-04, 12:40 | Link #52 | |
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2008-05-04, 12:48 | Link #54 | |
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But rabid Hitman reborn and Gintama fans overrunning Moe tourneys? This is terrible, time to rally the fan groups for the established factions, now THAT'D be more exciting. |
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I sort of agree that Nunally was moe, but only because she was surrounded by general un-moeness. I must say that she was the second most moe thing in the show (the first being the reappearing Pizza Hut logo.), but lead character and romantic partner C.C. was the one Code Geass character to progress to the second round (and no further.) Quote:
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Depending on the level of hatevoting against Nanoha and Higurashi, they could be early dropouts. Rozen Maiden finally being out should change the whole contest though, so in all honesty, Clannad might have a chance this year. Nah, she won Korean Best '07 (and beat Shana) and was top 8 in Super Best. Now that I think back a bit, I shouldn't have said that about Clannad without Rozen Maiden in the tournament. The main reason KyoAni only top 8'd two characters in 2005-2006 was because of Rozen Maiden and Nanoha, and the hate grew in 2007, letting two Lucky Starers and a Kanon girl to slide into the top 16. Here's hoping that Hayate, Higurashi, and Nanoha (and Shana) receiving little hate, and if possible, a new dark horse moe series to appear. Or Hidamari Sketch's sequel could let Yuno or Miyako try something. Quote:
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Gah, I forgot that Hitman Reborn and Gintama were popular in Japan. I doubt they'll get far even if they really do have 1000-person fan clubs though, since they'll gain so much hate when people catch onto it. Last edited by qtipbrit; 2008-05-04 at 13:35. |
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2008-05-04, 13:13 | Link #57 |
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Granted, true, that Code Geass has roughly one Moe character out of ten, the one that can come most quickly to mind being C.C.
But forget not that it's somewhat of a phenomenon in Japan, and relatively popular outside of it. And given fanboys, it won't matter if it's one out of ten. Same goes for Hitman Reborn! and Gintama, which is why the powers of Saimoe need to take a stand, like the legions behind Nanoha ^^. |
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The stats were from 2007's SaiMoe, so I'm hoping that it will just repeat itself with several round one Code Geass dropouts, but seeing as Code Geass is currently airing, it'll finish when SaiMoe begins, so it'll be fresher in inexperienced (in terms of SaiMoe character knowledge) voters' minds. Quote:
EDIT: Luckily, we're discussing the early rounds of SaiMoe as opposed to 2007's top 16. Last time I went over it, I was in despair. EDIT2: Whoops Yes, as I said, C.C. was the only one to progress past the first round, and stop at the second. I'm going to go lurk for more early SaiMoe '07 brackets to see how many Code Geass characters there were, since I forget. EDIT3: Wow, cruising through early SaiMoe '07 matches reminds me that I remember like 5 of them. And Hina was the one that prevent Jun Watarase from progressing. Last edited by qtipbrit; 2008-05-04 at 13:57. |
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2008-05-04, 13:30 | Link #59 |
Gamilas Falls
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One wonders how the Rozen Maiden factions will vote this year. They've had a notorious voting record so far. And last year their top three were defeated by: Louise (Gin), Tsukasa (Desu), and Rika (Shinku). (I doubt Sou's match was as highly rated even if she made it runner up in 2005).
That random factor may change the dynamic a bit after the last three years. Rika may have an advantage again with her being in a third season (OVA) show during Saimoe, while any Haruhi types that get in may benefit from the second season of Haruhi, but estimates place that at October, so far too late for most matches. The Clannad girls may also gain an advantage if After Story starts before Haruhi (plus an OVA in June I believe). This will be Eva's first Saimoe showing. The NERV group may make itself a contender since some of their moe types have done well in past years. Shana will be every present unless she runs into one of those heavy hitters three blocks early on (say Fate, Kyou, and Shana in Round One). Or the worse four spot round one fight (Shana, Fate, Kyou, Rika)
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2008-05-04, 13:58 | Link #60 |
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I believe many of you misunderstood me. The 1,000+ Rabid Fan clubs are all purely Korean Fan Clubs. Hitman Reborn, Gintama, and Code Geass series are extremely popular with KOREAN FEMALE population. The problem is that these mostly-female fan clubs decided that they will support their favorite anime series by voting for any character from these in any moe tournament that appears in their radar. Since Japanese Saimoe is progenitor of these moe tournament, these fan clubs know about it well. The question is whether or not they decide to mobilize their immense MONETARY resources to vote in Japanese Saimoe. I know that if one of three fan club does decide to invest in the Saimoe, others will follow. It won't be more than an hour before Japanese Saimoe organizers will catch huge spike in voting for specific characters coming from Korea, and will decide to let it in unhindered if it is against someone they want to eliminate, or decide to ban all voting from Korea and some part of USA where these fan clubs have presence among Koreans residing in USA if it is against someone they hope to win. These fan clubs will become a perfect tool for the Saimoe organizer to manipulate the result in anyway they want to, IF they choose to do so.
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