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Since he was trained when he was very young then his skill levels should be very high. That was the whole point of Flit doing it in the first place. When Kio steps into the Gundam he would feel right at home and it'd be second nature to him. This was demonstrated when he took out that Vagan artillery without harming the city itself. Had Flit not trained Kio he could've made a reckless decision that could've caused lots of collateral damage (Ex. Kira using Strike's buster cannon to attack Ra but accidently blew a giant hole in the colony) Quote:
Heck generally speaking most gundam protagonists in Kio's age bracket are dumped into a war they dont' want to fight in but as time progresses they get better and better. Kio on the other hand just seems to be getting worse and worse. At the very least Kira in Freedom was able to stand up to tougher and tougher enemies even with his no-kill policy. Kio can't even do jack. |
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2012-09-06, 00:42 | Link #23 | |
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And if there's an issue with the discipline and mindset about pulling a trigger he's already done it anyways so I fail to see the point in that. Plus, he himself made the choice to continue fighting which involves disabling the suits which really is still pulling the trigger. If he had an issue with pulling the trigger to begin with he shouldn't be in that suit at all. All he's doing is not killing them but disabling them. My point being is that his experience plus training including his x-rounder powers should make him a very capable pilot in being able to "defend" himself properly yet he can't even do that against competent pilots. He should be improving not degrading. And I don't understand the part about Kio not knowing the Vagans were human. I was under the impression since G1 it was common knowledge that they were colonists from Mars. Heck Ezcelant even showed his face and you can see that he's human as you can be. Last edited by SoldierOfDarkness; 2012-09-06 at 00:54. |
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2012-09-06, 02:51 | Link #24 |
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Okay let me try this again because you're taking what I'm trying to say too literally.
Yes Kio is indeed a skilled pilot trained since his early childhood but he never had the mentality of a REAL solider who has been trained in how to properly conduct himself on the battle field. A REAL solider would be able to pick up a weapon and attack his/her opponents without thinking about it because that is what they're trained to do. Kio has never been properly trained and is obviously still mentally a child how doesn't fully understand how war really works. Also what I mean by see the Vagan as human is simple. With the combination of Flint dehumanizing the Vagan and Kio lack of knowledge of them beyond what he has seen on the battle field led him to classify all Vagan as monster that need to be destroyed. Now Kio goes to the second moon and sees that they all aren't evil as his Grandpa led him to believe.
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Please explain this to me: why is one of, if not, the most advanced MS in the entire federation is given to a 13 yo child who had never been trained like a proper soldier, has no idea how to conduct himself like a real soldier on the battlefield, has expressed that even if it came to the point where the enemy will kill him if he still didn't fight back he would still not kill his enemy, still mentally a child who doesn't fully understand the situation he is in? Why isn't he taken away from the battlefield by his parents (he has those yeah? Two of them I think. I think he he even has an aunt and a Grandmother as well somewhere. Oh and a Grandfather ...) so that he won't end up killing himself with his idea of ''fighting his own way'' (which is no better than suicide) and the AGE FX given to a REAL soldier who had been properly trained, knows how to conduct himself on the battlefield and won't end up throwing his life away carelessly? See, this is the problem with looking with the bigger picture and realizing that Kio is a child who has no clue what to do, because you then realize that it makes no sense for him to be in there in the first place. He is a child who has no idea of what do in this situation, has no reason to stay there, and can be taken out because he is not a soldier, but an underage kid who for some bizarre reason his mother didn't think of taking him with her away from all of this after learning about him being held as a prisoner of war with the nation they were in war with over half a century, or his Grandfather to push him away after hearing how he didn't want to follow orders, or for his father ... actually you know what, we already know that Asem doesn't give a rats ass what goes on with his family. The entire thing is insane. Why is Kio allowed to do any of this? He meet a sick girl there ...
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2012-09-06, 09:14 | Link #27 | ||
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That still doesn't explain why his skills have degraded. And again he himself made that decision to continue fighting his own way and if its as bad as you say it is he shouldn't be there in the first place. What did most gundam pilots do when it came down to those things? They simply refused to fight or even get in the damn suit. ANd he's still pulling the damn trigger which involves him disabling suits, he's simply not looking to kill them so he clearly doesn't have an issue with that part. Quote:
We saw nothing of that sort. He met a sick girl and all of a sudden that justifies everything that the Vagans have done in the war? The fact that Ezcelant pointed out he thought Kio was his son doesn't help that either. We didn't even see a single Vagan who was against the war to begin with or even question why they were fighting in the first place. |
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A more complicated answer may be that the Earth Federation is short on man power because of all the fight happening on Earth. Also Flint is pulling most of the strings here so may be he believe Kio will come around. I still wish the series expanded on this a little more. Quote:
His skills haven't degraded he's just not using them to kill anymore which shows that his perspectives have changed since he started this journey. He is still fighting yes but doing it in a way that minimizes the amount of deaths because after all he's been given a billion dollar war machine and told do with it as he pleases. So with no one of higher authority stepping in to stop him of course he's of course going to us it the way he wants. I do hope that some time soon he realizes you can't save everyone. If he keeps going blindly down this path he's set it will lead him to his own destruction. Quote:
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2012-09-06, 15:15 | Link #29 |
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Kio can go one on one with Legillis and then you say his skills degraded? And disabling units is much harder than killing one, considering the accuracy you need.
As for Kio being allowed in the battlefield, is because he can fight and pilot a Gundam. How he fights is another question.
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Which leads to the conclusion that the Asuno's are really just a bunch of a-holes in general who don't care about each other. Quote:
You and me both. I'd love to know what Romery is thinking while her only son had been trained to become a child soldier who has killed people and now is constantly placed in situations where he is a breath away from death. Yeah, what a family ... Quote:
So, why is the 13 yo who has no idea what to do and has resolved to throw his life away in order to not kill allowed on the battlefield?
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2012-09-08, 05:04 | Link #31 |
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Kio's X-rounder power perhaps. Flit first believe that Kio might be the 'saviour' because of his advance x-rounder capabilities.
Again, you're thinking too much as this is not the first the first mecha anime (or Gundam series) with kids being involved in the war. Even the crew at Diva have kids.
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2012-09-08, 18:01 | Link #32 |
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The kids ended up being given back to their parents though, and only stayed on the Diva due to them not being able to place them somewhere else ... for some reason.
Anyway, your right on one thing. I am giving this show more thought than I should be ...
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2012-09-09, 16:21 | Link #33 |
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Cant understand how people say Kio is better than shin character wise , this emo no kill stupidity has to end .
The only thing he saved was zanald's ass , letting is team mates die They almost killed banagher as a likable character in unicorn on episode 4 with behavior like this |
2012-09-09, 18:04 | Link #35 | |
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Considering how short on X-Rounders the earth forces seems to be, (only 4 ever shown, Flit, Kio, Girard and Reina and the last two are dead) it's unlikely they could find a better match than Kio. And if they can't work the funnels properly than the FX is no powerful than the other units. |
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2012-09-09, 18:30 | Link #36 |
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Kio, why get in the Gundam in the first place? Give it to grandpa and go home... you whiny little *blank.*
Flit thinks Kio is a savior 'cause he's old and Kio inherited his powers... duh. Flit is a more powerful, more experienced X-rounder. Anyhow, Flit is going to end up saving the day. Flit is the main character of this series... it will start and end with him. Flit might die... |
2012-09-10, 10:38 | Link #37 |
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Kio is a stronger X-Rounder than Flit, and pretty much everyone else in the show, with perhaps one exception:Ezelcant. For all we know he could even surpass him anyway because his potential is immense according to Flit.
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2012-09-16, 22:42 | Link #39 |
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As much as I like AGE, I really feel bad for Kio. Not because he is a "whiny little kid who refuses to kill", but the development for his character on the last episodes isn't right or enough.
Even if he will be the star on the last episode, I think Kio needs a new generation to develop his character further, which won't happen (for now hopefully). I don't care if he still refuses to kill, but at least put what he says on action.
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