[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Nyura Kousen

Spoiler for Speculation (EP4 spoilers?):

I just remembered something.
Back in EP1, Battler said something about goats and calling Kinzo "Goldsmith". Result? We get goats and Goldsmith.
In EP4, Battler told Beato something like "If I said I like long blue-haired, flat chested lolis, what would you do?"
And now we have a flat-chested loli with long, blue hair.

Haha...nice catch there XD

And while it is nothing new with Bern being evil, the fans seem to think that Chiru is an ally of Battler. I'm not too sure myself

Spoiler:

[MeoTwister5]

Wait Chiru? They've confirmed the name of the little loli lady?

[Marion]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Wait Chiru? They've confirmed the name of the little loli lady?

No XD That's the name of the game, Umineko Chiru XD

[MeoTwister5]

Man I usually avoid this thread because it moves too fast for me to keep up.

[Uvthenfuv]

Here comes uncanny theory #14,998;

Spoiler for Theory #14,998:

The Witch is the embodiment of the unknown, right?
(At least in eps 1,2 and 4.... in 3 it looks more like the embodiment of Eva's anger, I think)
Therefore, if we get to know someone then she can't be the embodiment of the unknown.
This, and after seeing hair-down Beato along with Battler is how I thought about the following possibility:

Real Beato is the one who gets 'shipwrecked'. Characters actually get to know her and know that she isn't a witch... then The New Girl(tm) becomes the embodiment of the unknown, the strange murders.

...And the Witch side explanation would be something like this: Lambda (and Bern?) removed her from her position because they didn't think she would be adequate enough, and put TNG in her place.

...For the anti-fantasy side, the actual murderers planned to use Beato as their 19th person, but because Beato actually IS on the island, they had to come up with something else... like Maria's rose ^^ (or Maria acted on her own when she found that Beatrice actually was there in the dining room, but had to say something about where she got the umbrella from...)
Then their plan falls apart a bit, making it easier to look through it? (It's probably answer arc, after all...)

Of course in the end it could just turn out to be another The North Wind and The Sun strategy as foretold in the Ep.4 '???'...

I guess we can't know for sure for another 19 days for so...

[luckyssol]

Originally Posted by chronotrig

Alright, we've got EP5 jacket art.

Spoiler for pic:

Looks pretty normal except...what's with that very familiar blue-eyed girl behind Battler...
Also notice the hazy border around the characters. Battler and the real ChiBeato seem to be sharing the same one.

Edit: Whoa, that picture's huge

Nice, it looks like Bern/Lambda versus Battler/Beato. The question is who's side the is new girl on?

[ghost_zero5]

Originally Posted by Volcanic

Wow.

Spoiler for EP5 Cover:

....Chibibe is adorable when she's smiling. Maybe she's not TOO evil after all. Could they have made the OP purposely misleading? *dun dun dun*

Spoiler:

What opening? Did I miss a download link or video stream link? EDIT: Yeah I missed that one and that although it is already mentioned at the first post of this thread - LOL.
It is a bit longer than the previous ones. The song is good but currently I like the current opening theme song a bit more - and of course such things sometimes also depend on the mood - but that is probably because I already heard him more than once

But anyway: Who is Chibibe or whom do you mean by Chibibe? Is it that character in the front with the blue eyes?
Btw. I wouldn't mind if we would saw a really completely good witch - I mean one that stays longer than one episode (not like Ange who actually wasn't a classical witch anyway because she tried to avoid magic if possible, she even tries to "deny" magic at all (well not completely but at least she fights against Beato to achieve this ) - once too, though I doubt that this will happen in Ep5 - maybe in Ep6.

[luckyssol]

Expanding on the Beato/Battler(BB) vs. Lambda/Bern(LB) theory:

-LB would probably accept the BB team under rules like:
---Battler still has to prove that witches do not exist
---Beatrice cannot reveal how anything was done in episode 1 through 4
---Beatrice can reveal clues regarding the mysteries of the first games but each time she does her powers are weakened up to the point where if too many clues are revealed then she suffers the same fate as Ange in ep4

-It makes the most sense if the new girl is a new piece to be used by LB

-This picture makes sense if BB has a meta world version of Natsuhi helping the team:

Spoiler for Natsuhi:

"No, it truly is right in the middle of a storm. .........Natsuhi-sama. I propose that we change the closed room barrier into something else."

I wonder how the stakes/siestas/goats/etc. would be used on a gameboard like this.

[Volcanic]

Originally Posted by ghost_zero5

Spoiler:

But anyway: Who is Chibibe or whom do you mean by Chibibe? Is it that character in the front with the blue eyes?

Yeah, that's what we call her. One of the many fanames she has so far- Chibibe, New Girl X, Chiru, Rose Girl, etc. Be prepared to see a lot.

Spoiler for EP5 Mini-rant:

Really, a completely good witch would be an interesting concept. Sure, Ryukshi-sama has completely lost all our trust (end of EP3, Hidden Tea Party in EP4, etc) but if he did this, I wonder.

This good witch might actually be Beato. Hair-down, in the Golden Land with Battler...They're still playing their game, but what events could occur to change this? Now we've got Bern and Lamba on full assault and Beato's past coming more into light. The Tea Parties in EP3 and EP4 really had everyone questioning Beato's current alignment, and this OP and cover show that this isn't out of the question.

EDIT:

Spoiler for Ssol's Post and random EP5 Speculation:

A Meta-World Natsuhi, or a Meta of anyone besides Battler, is...an interesting concept. This would mess up the game and yet put it to whole new levels. It's like when Hanyuu was introduced in Higurashi: a major plot twist that changes the game for good.

I personally think that if it was Meta-Natsuhi, then maybe the BB Team was allowed to pick someone to help them for awhile, and they ended up choosing Natsuhi? Although I wonder why her, of all people.

Is it possible there's more to Natsuhi than we know about- connected to magic, even?

[sword5880]

this is just my imagination, will there be a chance that new character will be related to Battler? maybe like his mother[even through it feel impossible] or Kinzo's first wife[also feel impossible by looking so young but maybe tiny bit of chance] I start thinking like this because we already got information that Battler is not actually the son of Asmu. or else it will make Battler orphanage and maybe also from Kinzo's orphanage house

But still this will make Ange and Battler not really related ^^ Fan of AngexBattler also BeatriceXBattler

[sona-nyl]

Battler is probably still the son of Rudolf but with some other woman X so he and Ange areent less realeated than before they may be even more realeated since here is a little possibillity that this woman X is Kyrie

[ghost_zero5]

Battler can't have been an orphan because it was also stated that he was definitely a grandson of Kinzo - therefore he also can't be his son.
Though we don't know which son he is. It wasn't even mentioned if he is the son of Rudolf or one of the other childs but most likely it was Rudolf.

He actually could even be a child of Kyrie and Rudolf. After all she talked that she had a miscarriage but what if she didn't have one but Asuma did and there was a mistake or something like this? It could also be that Rudolf betrayed Asuma shortly after their marriage and that is how Battler was born (in that case it could still be Kyrie).

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by TsundereCake

I do believe Battler-chan said black hair XDDD But that's still a possibility, as black hair and blue hair aren't usually distinguished in anime/manga/etc.^^;

Yes he does say black. It is an interesting theory, anyway this is going beyond "Battler gets what he desire", and more toward "whatever Battler says, it happens", because he was clearly lying when he said he loved flat chested loli.

[ghost_zero5]

But that would open the question as for why this is so

Btw.: The "last" mystery Beato said in Tea Party Ep4 is kinda interesting.
If I think about this it might be related to "Battler's sin" or Beato is an illness.

EDIT:
Wait, Beato being an illness (I am not talking about what kind of illness that would be but probably it is something that can spread easily) would actually make some sense and not just regarding that last mystery but more like regarding all mysteries
Battler never asked regarding illnesses IIRC, only poison and such things...
And I originally stated it only more as some kind of joke. Well I still don't believe that is the case but it would make "some" sense

[myopius]

If the plot moves toward Voyager witches versus Battler/Beato, what interests me is what would cause Bernkastel to be part of the opposition. Lambdadelta opposes both Battler and Beato, but from what we've seen, Bernkastel wants Battler to win. An answer I can come up with is that Battler will not want to resolve this in exactly the way that Bernkastel wants him to--the way that is cruel toward Beato as her inner thoughts expressed near the end of EP4. If Battler now strives toward that goal, though, why wouldn't Bernkastel support him, then, since surely both of their goals involve ending the eternal torture of his family, right? From EP4's hidden tea party, it's almost as if both Voyager witches simply wish Beato to reach a pathetic end...

I can imagine something like what Ssol says being true, with the new Golden Witch being a substitute opponent for Battler in order for the Voyager witches to continue the game, while Battler explores Beatrice's memories immediately following EP4's epic tea party fight.

Edit: ...Yeah, ghost_zero5, you're right. I just looked over the first tea party again, and she mentions her past experiences and empathy, but denies its importance. I guess it's all just a motivation to not be bored...? Well, then, I don't understand why she wants Battler to win, since the game would end... Ah, wait, she's never actually said she wanted him to win, just that she supported him, right? Maybe she felt that would help make the game more interesting? Lambdadelta's EP2 hidden tea party proclamation of capturing Bernkastel, plus miragecoordinator, made me think she was "evil" and Bernkastel would naturally want to oppose her, but I suppose Bernkastel hasn't ever said she minded that... Ack, looks like the witches' motivations are irrelevant to Battler's repositioning. Excuse me. =|

[ghost_zero5]

I am pretty sure that Bern's goal isn't to end the eternal torture of Battler's family

[luckyssol]

Originally Posted by ghost_zero5

I am pretty sure that Bern's goal isn't to end the eternal torture of Battler's family

That's right, and based on the title of this episode I don't think Beato/Battler are going to do too well

[ghost_zero5]

Btw. is there actually any proof that Beato and Battler might fight side-by-side in Ep5?

[TsundereCake]

Originally Posted by ghost_zero5

Btw. is there actually any proof that Beato and Battler might fight side-by-side in Ep5?

Not really. We're only basing that off the OP and the jacket cover

[Klashikari]

There is absolutely none. It is only the assumption after episode 4 ???? and the Opening.
There isn't even any proof Beatrice will just go on the sideline anyway.