(L) Mashiro-iro Symphony

[elior]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Argh, I'm not going to get into this, but one important point: I'd say this is not actually the theme of the show, nor it's most central element. As for what it is if not that... I'll let other people speculate, or say more once the show's done.

you also think like me it rare that the main character confessed to the side girl since it not happend in most of the harem animes?

[Mahou]

@symbolism or meta-analysing: It's a bit of a controversal issue for me. I can see the reasons why media like to include incentives to do so, but honestly I horribly fail at it and don't like it generally. That's why you will never see me posting walls of text (no offense intended!). Mashiro-iro may have those subtle hints and all as its main focus, however I'm still glad to enjoy the anime without "bothering" about it. All it did was to give me a reason to read the original source. The umbrella spoiler by relentlessflame for example, is something I would have never, ever realized myself or pay specific attention towards it I'm one of the target group samples who enjoy the entertainment without the urge to speculate and analyze stuff. I always say "I don't have to like a character's action even if it makes perfect sense within the story or within the character's behavior (which I don't try to meta/psycho-analyze).

Anyway:

Spoiler for 10:

As usal I liked Airi's part as the "background" observer. The metaphor with Neko-Shingo and Miu was brought up again to "conclude" that maybe also the real deals belong together and Sana was painfully realizing it seeing that she clings to "Shingo". Though her beginning "kuzumushi"-remark ... no comment. "Miu" looking around in the club for her companion was adorable.
As for the confession: The beginning had a bit of an awkward atmosphere with Miu talking about it's soon time to set Pannya free in the nature and that's the Nukobu's goal which lead to Shingo confessing. It was not bad, mind you, the whole scene appeared more in a calm and tender way instead of other confessions which have drawn more on a powerful atmosphere more or less (like the commonly-used fireworks or romantically-sunset atmospehre among others). It drew a smile in my face, so I won't complain!
Lastly Sana: Wow, the anime presented it quite powerful and emotional. The rain + flashbacks + her hugging "Shingo" + the bitter tears especially after Airi arrived. Though her last Shingo flashback with ther hankerchief and the bright background seemed a bit off like "Mr. Perfect arrived".

[Skyfall]

Originally Posted by Mahou

Anyway:

Spoiler for 10:

Though her last Shingo flashback with ther hankerchief and the bright background seemed a bit off like "Mr. Perfect arrived".

Spoiler for episode 10:

I think that's sort of the point of the presentation actually, and illustrates how Sana sees Shingo - as the "perfect" male from her standpoint, one whom she has fallen for (quite hard) despite her dislike of males in general. So indeed, when Sana looks at Shingo, she sees "Mr. Perfect" - unknowing to him, he is naturally pushing all the right buttons with Sana, even if she is never going to admit it out loud.

There is another side to this though, and that being how her illusion doesn't quite align with reality, emphasized how bright and 'sparkly' her vision of him was, as opposed to the gloomy weather raging around her. Which is to say, Shingo isn't quite what Sana thinks he is, which probably has led her to misinterpret some of the signs of consideration he shows towards her. In other words, she lacks the realization of Airi that "that's just the sort of a guy he is", which is likely why she has gone down the road that she has, as deeply as she has.

Which is the main thing which sets Airi and Sana apart at this point - Airi realized Shingo wasn't giving her special treatment pretty early and was merely being considerate, like he is to all (In fact, this is the very point of the "bath scene", as this is what she takes away from it) and thus probably tempered her own expectations down to manageable levels. I believe at that point she gave up the impression that Shingo is Mr. Perfect "for her" specifically - which is why she remains friends with him but isn't all too disturbed by him entering a relationship with someone else. While she likely would have appreciated an even closer relationship with Shingo, Airi learned early that his Mr. Perfect image doesn't necessarily indicate similar interest from his part.

A realization that has evaded Sana though, which is why she finds herself as neck-deep as she is now. She still sees him as her own knight in shiny armor, and thus likely keeps over-analyzing his gestures of kindness (thus working up her own expectations as result) without realizing he is everyone's knight. Airi managed to see past that armor, and Shingo has chosen to discard it in front of Miu, but Sana is (was?) still mesmerized by the shiny polish of it, without quite grasping that the inside of it is somewhat different. Thus the reason why she sees his actions in a way he himself didn't quite intend (thus how her 'memory' of said events is slightly different from reality), and the reason she has taken the fall so hard - because unlike Airi, she didn't recognize the cracks in said armor and didn't bow out in time.

[vio5555]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Argh, I'm not going to get into this, but one important point: I'd say this is not actually the theme of the show, nor it's most central element. As for what it is if not that... I'll let other people speculate, or say more once the show's done.

I would definitely say that the show was not focused much if at all on the relationship/coupling business for the first half and more on the general interactions between the characters (coming from different backgrounds along with the controversy of the school merger along with the kitty club needing members) as well as showing us how the characters' personalities are with respect to interacting with other people.

That's partly why Airi is so central; she's the most introspective one in terms of thinking about why the others are motivated to act as they do.

In that sense, this is like True Tears; that was the story of Noe's coming of age more than anything else regardless of the relationship/coupling factor. I got a similar vibe from the first half of this series, and it's continued with how Airi always ends up as a part of the events in one way or another interacting with the others...

[elior]

Spoiler for episode 11 preview:

who do you think hold shingo hand in the next episode preview miu or sana?

[hyl]

Originally Posted by elior

Spoiler for episode 11 preview:

who do you think hold shingo hand in the next episode preview miu or sana?

Spoiler for spoiler:

That should be pretty obvious if you watched episode 10

[Vena]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Argh, I'm not going to get into this, but one important point: I'd say this is not actually the theme of the show, nor it's most central element. As for what it is if not that... I'll let other people speculate, or say more once the show's done.

I was saying that more in jest than serious, considering so much of our discussion has been well beyond romance.

[ueXia]

LOL, way to get trolled.
Seriously, any girl that continues watching this anime is 50% masochist, am I the only guy watching this? I got totally hooked up when Airi went out of the scenes because "wtf man she's the main heroine, even the OP tells that"

One final thing to say: japanese shoujo and its dumb fatalism, it's like people can't escape their truth of being always heart-broken.

[xKeir]

After reading and reading and reading and reading .. i just finally couldn't resist but to make a acc to join in. I hope ya'll don't mind my broken English and i'd like to first say that half of what i'm saying is usually out of point. Its kinda like a bad habit of mine that i'm a lil ashamed to admit .. so here goes

Spoiler for Episode 10:

Kyaaaa. Even though i could only understand about 75% of the raw episode without the subs , i sooo literally enjoyed the episode. I really like how they give like 5second Pannya action scenes that are simply adorable in my opinion. And , i admit i'm a Miu fan , but my admiration for her grew stronger when i realized all this while she was under the impression that Shingo liked Sana [ i was probably slow to not know this .. ] . I mean ... I don't mean to offend any Sana fans[genuinely] , but even though she thought Shingo liked Sana , Miu was still able to converse with Shingo and at the same time still hold feelings for him in her heart without any signs of a anguish that her best friend Sana was with Shingo [in her impression] She just acted naturally and allowed things to go with the flow. Maybe i'm phrasing it wrongly or something ..

I assume that Miu held feelings for Shingo way before the confession b'cuz u don't just accept and like someone seconds after he or she confesses to u. That was just what i'd like to point out and yeah i noe its pretty pointless.

Another part that i really loved about this episode was the incident with the cats. During episode 9 , even though many [including myself] believed that Miu was destined to be the ending heroine of the series , i just felt bothered by the separation of neko-miu & neko-shingo. I mean ... u don''t go to such details to name the cats and give them away. It was just such a ominous sign to me. AND THAN IN THIS EPISODE it was shown they needed each other! Which quelled my worries. Really loved how they did it using the cats. Maybe i'm reading too much into things but i really liked how they used it as .. a form of suggestion?

-pardon me for my broken English and grammer

Spoiler for About comparisons with Akane-Iro Ni Somaru Saka:

Actually guys , i really don't see any similarities between this 2 anime. I did [or at least i believed i tried] reading through the posts people wrote about the 2 but i just felt they were different. About Akane Iro Ni Somaru Saka , i felt they did give hints throughout the series that Jun'ichi liked Minato. Maybe its cuz i was rooting for her .. [shes not even blood related so its not incest :3] And it wasn't really a last minute kinda thing. I mean .. even though it seemed as though Jun'ichi was set to be with Yuuhi it did looked pretty obvious to me there was gonna be a twist with Minato.

The only possible similarity between the 2 is probably the hints dropped throughout the series for each of the main heroines.

For Minato : Jun'ichi constantly cares for her well being over the extent of a normal brother , and gives a blush when he sees her in a beautiful dress. Not the type of reaction he'd give Yuuhi [ just to nitpick afew examples]
For Miu : During both the Airi & Ange arcs Shingo was constantly on the lookout for Miu. For instance when he found out about the Principles talk with Miu in the office and in the 1st episode when he noticed Miu in the garden.

Its like this tiny points .. okay actually i raelize i'm going out of point so i shall stop here. I get that most of what i wrote is nonsensical but still .. just my lil opinion.

Spoiler for True Tears:

Erm guys. I read through all the debates , as i call it and i kinda just wanna point out that many people seem to forget the reason why Shin'ichiro went out with Noe in the first place was because of the agreement he had with her brother for him to go out with Noe , and her brother to go out with Hiromi as at that point of time he had thought that Hiromi had liked Noe's brother.

I get that Shin'ichiro did gradually change towards his attitude with Noe but it was decidedly all along that all he did was for Hiromi. I mean .. he liked her from the very beginning , yes ? It's just because of the few minor misunderstandings that brought them apart and got Noe dragged into this. I'd go to the extent to say that Noe was just a victim of their misunderstandings.

Hey i just noticed!

I looked back at Episode 9 and found this! It's actually not much of a spoiler , but i just thought in case some people still have yet to watched ep9 ..

Spoiler for Episode9 Pic I just had to share ...:

I was so caught up with Miu's different reactions i didn't noticed Shingo had this one !

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by ueXia

Seriously, any girl that continues watching this anime is 50% masochist, am I the only guy watching this? I got totally hooked up when Airi went out of the scenes because "wtf man she's the main heroine, even the OP tells that"

I think you could make a pretty good argument (as was made above) that Airi still is the "Main Heroine" in the show... but that doesn't mean that she'll "get the guy". But that aside, the OP says a lot of different things and can be interpreted in various ways (for example, in the scene where everyone's running around, Airi is watching everyone, and eventually is able to run off and Miu remains). And yes, the target audience for this show is guys, and most of the people discussing in this thread are guys. The story relies on a lot of shoujo elements, but it's actually a seinen romance show.

Originally Posted by xKeir

Spoiler for Episode 10:

And , i admit i'm a Miu fan , but my admiration for her grew stronger when i realized all this while she was under the impression that Shingo liked Sana [ i was probably slow to not know this .. ] . I mean ... I don't mean to offend any Sana fans[genuinely] , but even though she thought Shingo liked Sana , Miu was still able to converse with Shingo and at the same time still hold feelings for him in her heart without any signs of a anguish that her best friend Sana was with Shingo [in her impression] She just acted naturally and allowed things to go with the flow. Maybe i'm phrasing it wrongly or something ..

Spoiler for Episode 10:

This is actually a good point. Since Miu had in her mind that Shingo did in fact love Sana all this time, here she is getting close to him believing that her growing feelings for him are one-sided. It puts into perspective some of the small signs of jealousy she showed towards Sana in the earlier episodes, and the gestures she was taking to get closer to him (first shown at the end of episode 7, but particularly her inviting him over to her house in Episode 9 -- note she only invited Shingo that time, even though Sakuno also helped...). Just like Sana, Miu was taking steps to try to get closer to the guy she was falling for, even though she thought deep down that he didn't like her. The difference is, of course, which one of the two girls that Shingo actually liked.

And that aside... I totally agree with your interpretation of True Tears, but I have to say that some people consider that absolute heresy.

[amoirsp]

I really usually state small irrelevant stuff but after I did a brief watch of the earlier episodes I just possibly thought this.

Is it just me or in the common route or earlier episodes you had quite a bit of Shingo internal thoughts or small narratives but like in recent episodes that doesn't seem to be the case at all?

Other questions I have are game correlated so I will not inquire here.

Spoiler:

I can't understand raw but Sakuno in ep 10 definitely said secret. This is probably the intuition thing you guys mentioned with her keen perception.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by amoirsp

Spoiler:

I can't understand raw but Sakuno in ep 10 definitely said secret. This is probably the intuition thing you guys mentioned with her keen perception.

Spoiler for ep 10:

Sakuno was at this point aware that her brother likes Miu and she wanted to leave those 2 alone. So she pretty much dragged Ange with her to accomplish that

[vio5555]

Originally Posted by xKeir

Spoiler for About comparisons with Akane-Iro Ni Somaru Saka:

Actually guys , i really don't see any similarities between this 2 anime. I did [or at least i believed i tried] reading through the posts people wrote about the 2 but i just felt they were different. About Akane Iro Ni Somaru Saka , i felt they did give hints throughout the series that Jun'ichi liked Minato. Maybe its cuz i was rooting for her .. [shes not even blood related so its not incest :3] And it wasn't really a last minute kinda thing. I mean .. even though it seemed as though Jun'ichi was set to be with Yuuhi it did looked pretty obvious to me there was gonna be a twist with Minato.

The only possible similarity between the 2 is probably the hints dropped throughout the series for each of the main heroines.

For Minato : Jun'ichi constantly cares for her well being over the extent of a normal brother , and gives a blush when he sees her in a beautiful dress. Not the type of reaction he'd give Yuuhi [ just to nitpick afew examples]
For Miu : During both the Airi & Ange arcs Shingo was constantly on the lookout for Miu. For instance when he found out about the Principles talk with Miu in the office and in the 1st episode when he noticed Miu in the garden.

Its like this tiny points .. okay actually i raelize i'm going out of point so i shall stop here. I get that most of what i wrote is nonsensical but still .. just my lil opinion.

Spoiler for True Tears:

Erm guys. I read through all the debates , as i call it and i kinda just wanna point out that many people seem to forget the reason why Shin'ichiro went out with Noe in the first place was because of the agreement he had with her brother for him to go out with Noe , and her brother to go out with Hiromi as at that point of time he had thought that Hiromi had liked Noe's brother.

I get that Shin'ichiro did gradually change towards his attitude with Noe but it was decidedly all along that all he did was for Hiromi. I mean .. he liked her from the very beginning , yes ? It's just because of the few minor misunderstandings that brought them apart and got Noe dragged into this. I'd go to the extent to say that Noe was just a victim of their misunderstandings.

[/SPOILER]

Spoiler for comparisons to Akane-Iro:

I think we all are more or less saying the same things here. Akane-Iro was really about the love triangle for all of its episodes. Mashiro-Iro really didn't get to the love triangle until episode 7.

I think that's the main difference (other than that Yuuhi was a member of the love triangle whereas Airi wasn't as main heroines).

Everything we're talking about MiuxShingo from episodes 1-6 is being read in hindsight.

But you could in truth that he was aware of several of the girls from episodes 1-6 without really showing who he actually had feelings for...; I mean the first two episodes alone have several moments with his sister that left him blushing and the same is true with Airi.

All of that being said, I think the main point is that we're not really supposed to focus on hints about relationships for the first 6 episodes because they stay very close to a fine line about introduction without really revealing who Shingo is going to end up with...

On the other hand, Akane-Iro had him openly displaying his awareness of Minato's womanhood far earlier and far more demonstratively compared to Yuuhi.

Spoiler for comparison to True Tears:

While I somewhat agree, I don't think it was that clear-cut, and we've written massive discussions on this point in the True Tears forums when the episodes were airing.

True Tears was a coming of age story for Noe at its central theme, but it was also a coming of age story for Shin in many ways. He had to grow up to reach where Hiromi was and break the walls that she had built up around herself due to what happened to her in the past. I think Shin was confused about what he himself wanted but finally figured it out and ended up handling things properly (the chicken story as well as his role in the festival were extremely important towards showing this).

Alright, I didn't mean to turn this into a massive Mashiro-Iro/Akane-Iro/True Tears comparison thread, so I'll try to keep it to the point.

Back to Mashiro-Iro, I don't think that Shingo had any romantic inclinations in the first 6 episodes. Perhaps you could argue that he was slightly aware of Miu, but he was fairly aware of Airi and his sister as well given the situations that he ended up with them in... I think we're reading too much into the earlier details with the knowledge of what's happened in 7-10 to be making deeper statements than that. Maybe I'm making too big a distinction, but I really think the purpose of the first 6 episodes were to show us his personality and how he goes about fixing problems or helping other people without an ulterior motive.

As for Airi, I think she comes off the best for having met him. As others have mentioned, Miu and Shingo basically have similar personalities in terms of how selfless they tend to be for others. Those two were already at some kind of zen-kindness plane (as well as being relatively unaware of what's going on around them)...

Airi, on the other hand, had built up a lot of walls to protect her from everyone else (especially males); she had this persona of being the school's princess and wouldn't let anyone see her not being perfect. I think she and Sana grow the most from their encounters with him, especially with how Airi can be there for Sana (as relentlessflame mentioned with the umbrella allegory and the rest). Airi's self-perception is shattered relatively early, and now it's happening for Sana as well. They'll both be better off when they fall in love down the road. It's obviously not what a shipper would want to hear, but that's the nature of a story like this which is using the relationship developments for how they affect the characters that are actually undergoing changes in Airi and Sana.

[Skyfall]

Originally Posted by vio5555

Back to Mashiro-Iro, I don't think that Shingo had any romantic inclinations in the first 6 episodes. Perhaps you could argue that he was slightly aware of Miu, but he was fairly aware of Airi and his sister as well given the situations that he ended up with them in... I think we're reading too much into the earlier details with the knowledge of what's happened in 7-10 to be making deeper statements than that.

I would quite disagree with this part. While I can't speak for anyone but myself, obviously, I found his attraction for Miu to be standing out ever since their first encounter, and I definitely don't agree to the notion of it being comparable to his "blushing moments" with the other girls ... precisely because of them being out-of-ordinary situations. Suffice to say, I don't think him blushing because Miu is near him can really be compared to Shingo blushing when Sakuno and Ange waltzed in on him in the bathroom and managed to lose their towels along the way

While "romantic inclinations" is probably a wee bit too strong of a word for the early episodes, I don't think it can be argued that his reactions towards her weren't different from those towards anyone else in comparable situations. It wasn't really a dead giveaway where he would end up eventually, and they had the groundwork to develop Airi just as well, but there were certainly hints that Miu had caught his eye in a special way.

Given that there were still people who managed to be surprised at the latest developments, or convinced that the anime has taken sudden turns by not going the Airi route, I'd say the problem is the opposite of reading too much in to it - rather, it bears paying more attention to instead. We didn't end up where we are now by chance, the signs have been there all along.

[hyl]

Also people seemed to have forgotten that Miu was the first person that encouraged not to give up on liking the school and pretty much inspired him to improve the bad atmosphere in his class back in episode 2. (Sakuno did also encourage him by acting like normal , but that was slightly later though)

[Flower]

Originally Posted by hyl

Also people seemed to have forgotten that Miu was the first person that emcouraged not to give up on liking the school and pretty much improving the bad atmosphere in episode 2.

This is true, and it was admittedly one of the things that first made me wonder whether or no her ... umm ... "route" were going to happen, but I confess that I was "diverted" by the mini-arc happening at the time and assumed Airi was going to be the focus of the series. I wonder whether or no there were others who thought the same way?

Again - for me this series ending was one of those things that made sense "in retrospect" for me ... while I was following I thought things would go a different way.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by vio5555

I don't think that Shingo had any romantic inclinations in the first 6 episodes. Perhaps you could argue that he was slightly aware of Miu, but he was fairly aware of Airi and his sister as well given the situations that he ended up with them in... I think we're reading too much into the earlier details with the knowledge of what's happened in 7-10 to be making deeper statements than that.

All I can do here is point to exactly what I said at the time, for whatever it's worth.

Episode 1:

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Another scene that I thought was well done (even though it's simple) was the introduction to Miu, looking onto the courtyard. Everyone else is noticing and commenting on Pannya (after the comment that "nothing should surprise us anymore"), but it's clear that Shingo's not looking at the pet. Shingo's trance and subsequent reaction was like "oh yeah, there's a pet there too?" Subtle, but good.

Episode 2:

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

The Mio introduction was all sorts of awkward but cute. Though she's a bit innocent/naive (lol at when she gives him a "good look", and then again with the "nadenade" ), Shingo is totally entranced. Note that later on when he, Sakuno, and Hayata see Pannya again they play back to the thing in the first episode where the other two see Pannya (talking about the mysterious creature), and it leads immediately back to Shingo thinking of Miu and blushing.

Edit: One more point I noticed about this -- notice Shingo's reaction when he first sees Pannya, which is like "I think I've seen that before...", but when he notices Miu he immediately remembers "oh, back on that day". Makes it all the more clear.

Episode 3:

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

The other scene that of course bears mentioning is the scene with Miu and the introduction to her club, along with the invitation to join. Miu herself has already welcomed herself into Shingo's circle of friends, and the connection between Miu and Sana is now established. So, they're slowly setting the foundation for more developments going forward. But we have to finish dealing with Airi first.

Episode 4:

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

As one other observation, I think Miu's comment during Shingo's "my weakness" talk was very poignant and well-placed. Here he is explaining to Airi how he forces a smile to try to make peace (which Airi didn't catch on her own), but Miu saw right through it and is worried about him ("I hope Uryuu-kun isn't too tired..." i.e. "I hope he isn't pushing himself too hard..."). It's a stray little comment, but the placement in that short montage (and in that context) is very well-done and actually says a fair bit (about Shingo, about Miu, etc.) in so few words.

Episode 5:

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

The other little thing that is a nice touch. As Shingo walks away from the table (after cleaning up the mess on the table), he glances over to Miu for a split-second with a worried look on his face (because he remembers what happens earlier). And Miu's response, without necessarily noticing that he was worried about her (or even knowing that he knows what's going on) was (roughly) "Uryuu-kun is really observant" or "he really notices things". That itself is good attention to detail by the anime staff; nice parallelism.

Now of course, I don't think we can go all out and say that the ending was certain at this point (of course the writers knew...), but I think Shingo's attraction to Miu and Miu's alignment ("being on the same wavelength") with him are on display in the early episodes too. It was just so much in the background and subtle that it seemed at the time like nothing would come of it (because other characters were dominating the focus back then). Most everybody thought we'd have a Miu arc, but then we'd head back to Airi, so Shingo's attraction to Miu wouldn't amount to anything, even though it was there. Contrary to those expectations, Shingo's attraction to Miu did amount to something, and the time spent with Airi led to another destination. But I would say that Shingo was visibly attracted to Miu from the get-go, which is a bit different than what they showed for the other heroines (he got into situations with them that caused him to notice them, but it wasn't just a natural, spontaneous reaction).

[vio5555]

Yeah, I see what you're saying. All I'm pointing out is that there wasn't anything definitive to the uninitiated viewer even if there were Miu hints.

There were clearly enough Airi hints that we could have backdated an Airi ending if episodes 7-8 had rushed through the Miu plot and then decided to go to an Airi ending. As stated earlier in the thread, episodes 9-10 were going to be the decision fork either way, and they left episodes 1-5 open enough that it could go either way.

In reality, the ending of episode 6 was perhaps the biggest giveaway in that Airi realized that he was just being generally compassionate, not specifically compassionate to her.

I think, if you knew sort of the general aspects of the game (i.e. that there was a Miu route coming after the kitty club) that you could have looked for more information based on how he viewed Miu.

The general viewer that comes into this show with no preconceived notions is far less likely to give the appropriate weight to those hints that they would give at the end of episode 6 when Airi reveals that he isn't specifically interested in her as she was in him (as she thinks he's the only boy that she's felt that way for in episode 3). That's really when I began to think more about what happened in episodes 1-5 that would make Airi think that.

Of course, the Sana-Shingo rumor was really what forced Shingo into action to be reactive to events to get him the pairing that he actually desired.

[crazypeter]

Actually this will be the truth for the end ~

Spoiler for Bloody End:

Shingo 's confession looked so strange for me, the stimulus and timing seemed far-fetched.

Spoiler for :

To adopt Miu's route is understandable....It seems that the most touching part lies in that. The Anime is just like a advertisement for game of PSP version. The sales volume did arise with the advent of Anime. And the truth is:

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I decide to play the game...

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by vio5555

I think, if you knew sort of the general aspects of the game (i.e. that there was a Miu route coming after the kitty club) that you could have looked for more information based on how he viewed Miu.

The general viewer that comes into this show with no preconceived notions is far less likely to give the appropriate weight to those hints that they would give at the end of episode 6 when Airi reveals that he isn't specifically interested in her as she was in him (as she thinks he's the only boy that she's felt that way for in episode 3). That's really when I began to think more about what happened in episodes 1-5 that would make Airi think that.

I don't think that being a game player really gave that much of a clearer hint about the way the anime was going to go in the early days, because it was really all up to how the game was going to be adapted. I wouldn't even say that it helped too much with "weighing" the hints, given that we all expected that the anime could find different ways to work things into the plot without following the game as written. The only real advantage game players had was starting in Episode 7, which is basically when the anime committed to a single path; until then the blending possibilities made weighing the hints too difficult to be conclusive (we could only see that doors were being opened, without knowing which would be walked through).

If you're bored and curious, we had a running discussion in the game thread with our speculations about the anime as it went on, which has a few additional things that weren't mentioned in this thread. But yeah, I wouldn't say it helped all that much until we entered the "second half". My first clue was the preview for Episode 7, and my first "bet" on the current path was after Episode 7 was over (which at the time still seemed risky and unexpected to me). Although the support for the current path is all there, they could easily have gone somewhere else with it if they wanted to.