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zalas · 2006-03-06, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Plant42

If you still wonder about that .
That 's right. The way to write the character's name in english that Japanese wikipedia used(such as Wirhelmina Carmel , Khamsin Nbh`w , Mathilde Saint-Omer , Bel-Peol , ETC) is come from the Official Guidebook , so you can rely on it's correctitude.

The thing is though, all the other names *make sense* the way they are spelled, including Khamsin Nbh`w, with Khamsin being the name of a weather phenomenon in Arabia and Nbh`w being derived from ancient Egyptian (which didn't have explicit vowels). Wirhelmina doesn't. Besides, if you took it the official way, then you would agree with Mission Clitical and Pararel Universe?

***relentlessflame*** · 2006-03-06, 23:02

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Originally Posted by zalas

The thing is though, all the other names *make sense* the way they are spelled, including Khamsin Nbh`w, with Khamsin being the name of a weather phenomenon in Arabia and Nbh`w being derived from ancient Egyptian (which didn't have explicit vowels). Wirhelmina doesn't. Besides, if you took it the official way, then you would agree with Mission Clitical and Pararel Universe?

Indeed. To say that the Official Guidebook must be correct just because it's "official" doesn't stand up to history. There have been countless examples of inconsistencies and errors in "official" romanizations on official documents and material - see the recent example of "Erementar Gerad" and the ensuing cleanup in licensing (simply the first example the comes to mind). You certainly wouldn't be wrong to go by the book (it's a position that can be defended), but, in fact, we cannot rely on its correctitude in this matter. Time will tell whether this incorrect spelling is rectified in the R1 DVD release.

Jellyfish Marine · 2006-03-07, 06:21

Actually, about "Wirhelmina" stuff, I don't know much German so I have no idea whether it's grammatically correct or not. However, considering how "Fenrir" is pronounced, "Wirhelmina" is acceptable to me ^^ili

LytHka · 2006-03-07, 07:09

Since we're at the official names' topic, I'd use "Marjorie" instead of "Margery" since Marjorie is more common.

blitz1/2 · 2006-03-07, 17:19

I just hope episode 22 is good.

NoSanninWa · 2006-03-07, 17:47

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Originally Posted by blitz1/2

I just hope episode 22 is good.

And I just hope that episode 24 is good. If you read this thread, it is pretty much assumed that you want the show to be good.

Prodigious · 2006-03-07, 17:56

Again, I would like to reiterate that fact that "Wirhelmina" is a bastardization of a Japanese to English translation of a name originally taken from the Romantic languages. It doesn't matter what the guidebook says. The translation in general is wrong. The name should(regardless of what they decided to make the "official" spelling) be Wilhelmina, because that's the way the real name is spelled. Wilhelmina is a real German name(the female variant of Wilhelm). Wirhelmina is not.

It's just like taking any other name, like Louis for example, converting it to a Japanese name, and then translating it back as Rouis. Regardless of how they arrived at that translation, the original name was Louis, and the translation obviously is trying to refer to that same name, so it should be spelt Louis.

And just to make the point slightly clearer, there are over 50 different variations of the name Wilhelmina(whether they be alternate spellings, or different names derived from that original name). none of them are spelled Wirhelmina.

Bahamut · 2006-03-07, 18:26

...Wirhelmina...Wilhelmina...**** it! Who cares? We'll just call her "meido" ...just like Tanaka in the last ep...
Tanaka: What's up with that meido?

Prodigious · 2006-03-07, 19:03

*Ahem* I think you mean "uber-hot meido"

Aznhobo · 2006-03-07, 21:25

I hate when she puts on her mask though, she looks like some sort of character in cirque du freak

kira_lacusXX · 2006-03-07, 21:37

reminds me of naruto i think...but the first time i saw the mask i was like....pffff [small snicker] definitely looks good...

wilhelmina looks better without it no doubt about it

zalas · 2006-03-07, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Aznhobo

I hate when she puts on her mask though, she looks like some sort of character in cirque du freak

I'm still of the theory that Tiamat converts Wilhelmina into a female Hakuoro when that happens.

Prodigious · 2006-03-07, 21:47

I agree the mask blows. Everyone else has a cool jinki. The tuner guy has that bracelet, Shana's got the amulet, hell even Margery's book isn't all that bad. But Wilhelma's got a damn maid's bonnet that turns into a hideous mask. Why would anyone want to cover up such a lovely face?

Shiroth · 2006-03-07, 22:05

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Originally Posted by Prodigious

Why would anyone want to cover up such a lovely face?

When it comes to being a Flame Haze, i don't think looks are the number one priority.

Mr.Hawq · 2006-03-07, 23:27

I'm not sure, but my observation to Werhelmina not hesitating to kill Yujji is that, way back in the early episodes they said that only flame haze fight the tomogara because they have a bad past and have a reason about it, where as Shana is the ony flame Haze that does not have any issues with the Tomogara, thus she is weak at being a flame haze, and easily falls in love with Yujji which causes her to protect him.

lavielove · 2006-03-08, 10:18

Margery used to turn into the bear when she evloved. Shana turned into half-phoenix when she evolves. I have a question now,where Tiamat reside ? May be I didn't watch carefully, I still didn't notices the place where Tiamat reside.

Village Idiot · 2006-03-08, 12:27

Ep22 has aired.

Summary:

Spoiler:

Guido · 2006-03-08, 12:48

Straying from what you all are currently discussing, I want to direct the conversation back to episode 21.

Sincerely, the highlight moment for that episode was when Shana confronted Wilhelmina to protect Yuuji while her resolve still swayed among her Flame Haze duty and her love for him.
Shana could not think of proper reasons to object against Wilhelmina's decision, but thankfully Alastor stepped in to allow Yuuji explain the current situation regarding the leftovers from the festival.

The piano rendition of "Hishoku no Sora", along with both Shana's sorrowful angst and Yuuji resigning to the fact that Shana would always think of him just as a torch, touched me to the point that my tears flowed out.

Even heightened when Shana threw herself into the crossfire and got speared to protect Yuuji, yet Balle Masque succeeds in taking possession of the holder to the Reiji Maigo.

With the changes made from the novels into the anime, I'm more eagerly inclined forward to a bittersweet ending for the outcome. The anime certainly is playing focus about the real identity to the Reiji Maigo and what is its purpose, along with Hecate's ascension to become an eternal being.

If we follow the Shana and Yuuji recovery path......

Spoiler:

One last thing that puzzles me.

At the start of the introduction when Alastor makes the narration, there's a sort of a shining space surrounded by what looks like machine contraptions.

Is that the Reiji Maigo?

I'm bringing this up because in the previous episode, Yuuji and Kazumi were discussing the Reiji Maigo, and the camera does an insight shot of what's hidden within Yuuji and shows that same picture displayed at the beginning of each episode.

Screenshots for episode twenty-two by futaba.
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2405258.htm

lavielove · 2006-03-08, 13:05

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Originally Posted by Village Idiot

Ep22 has aired.

Summary:

Spoiler:

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Originally Posted by Guido

One last thing that puzzles me.

At the start of the introduction when Alastor makes the narration, there's a sort of a shining space surrounded by what looks like machine contraptions.

Is that the Reiji Maigo?

I'm bringing this up because in the previous episode, Yuuji and Kazumi were discussing the Reiji Maigo, and the camera does an insight shot of what's hidden within Yuuji and shows that same picture displayed at the beginning of each episode.

I'm also wondering the same thing.Seems like Alastor is the one who understands the most about Reiji Maigo.Just a guess.

SoldierOfDarkness · 2006-03-08, 14:12

Well the device is suppose to replenish the torch so being a machine contraption makes sense.

2006-03-08, 12:27	Link #797
Village Idiot Fate/ Stay Night Join Date: Jun 2003	Ep22 has aired. Summary: Spoiler: -Shana recovers -Shana gets that big ass sword -Yuuji gets taken to meet Hecate (is it just me, or from the pics, Hecate looked both sad and happy to see Yuuji/Reiji Maigo?) -Wilhelmina & Shana takes off to challenge the Ball Masque -Marjory shows up! All in all...very little happened this episode. __________________ Sig removed by Mod (xris) because at 65,726 bytes it exceeds the limits as requested in the forum rules.

2006-03-08, 12:48	Link #798
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Straying from what you all are currently discussing, I want to direct the conversation back to episode 21. Sincerely, the highlight moment for that episode was when Shana confronted Wilhelmina to protect Yuuji while her resolve still swayed among her Flame Haze duty and her love for him. Shana could not think of proper reasons to object against Wilhelmina's decision, but thankfully Alastor stepped in to allow Yuuji explain the current situation regarding the leftovers from the festival. The piano rendition of "Hishoku no Sora", along with both Shana's sorrowful angst and Yuuji resigning to the fact that Shana would always think of him just as a torch, touched me to the point that my tears flowed out. Even heightened when Shana threw herself into the crossfire and got speared to protect Yuuji, yet Balle Masque succeeds in taking possession of the holder to the Reiji Maigo. With the changes made from the novels into the anime, I'm more eagerly inclined forward to a bittersweet ending for the outcome. The anime certainly is playing focus about the real identity to the Reiji Maigo and what is its purpose, along with Hecate's ascension to become an eternal being. If we follow the Shana and Yuuji recovery path...... Spoiler: my take would be that Shana would follow the same fate of the previous Enpatsu Shakugan Uchite to wreck Balle Masque and prevent whatever doom the Reiji Maigo could bring forth to. Yuuji would prevent the demise of Shana by transfering and nurturing his power of existence into her -- the Reiji Maigo could play a crucial role on that outcome. Recalling what Yuuji said to Ramie in episode five, he will be glad as long as living within Shana's memory, and as long as Shana remembers him then that will be proof enough that he existed. In one way or other, Tenmoku Ikko, the previous mistess of the Reiji Maigo, somehow exists as part of the Nietono no Shana. When Shana became the current Enpatsu Shakugan and legitimately acquired the sword thru his defeat, she came to understand Tenmoku Ikko's desire to become Mistess just the same as Shana's to become Flame Haze. Yuuji giving his existence to Shana in order to save her will literally mean, that he will now live on as part of her. One last thing that puzzles me. At the start of the introduction when Alastor makes the narration, there's a sort of a shining space surrounded by what looks like machine contraptions. Is that the Reiji Maigo? I'm bringing this up because in the previous episode, Yuuji and Kazumi were discussing the Reiji Maigo, and the camera does an insight shot of what's hidden within Yuuji and shows that same picture displayed at the beginning of each episode. Screenshots for episode twenty-two by futaba. http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2405258.htm

2006-03-07, 06:21	Link #783
Jellyfish Marine ShizuxKino~* Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kino's luggage	Actually, about "Wirhelmina" stuff, I don't know much German so I have no idea whether it's grammatically correct or not. However, considering how "Fenrir" is pronounced, "Wirhelmina" is acceptable to me ^^ili

2006-03-07, 07:09	Link #784
LytHka Banned Join Date: Jan 2004	Since we're at the official names' topic, I'd use "Marjorie" instead of "Margery" since Marjorie is more common.

2006-03-07, 17:19	Link #785
blitz1/2 Tenshi's Defense Squadron Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Fighting against those who oppress the system	I just hope episode 22 is good.

2006-03-07, 17:56	Link #787
Prodigious Level 5 Haruhiist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: PA Age: 36	Again, I would like to reiterate that fact that "Wirhelmina" is a bastardization of a Japanese to English translation of a name originally taken from the Romantic languages. It doesn't matter what the guidebook says. The translation in general is wrong. The name should(regardless of what they decided to make the "official" spelling) be Wilhelmina, because that's the way the real name is spelled. Wilhelmina is a real German name(the female variant of Wilhelm). Wirhelmina is not. It's just like taking any other name, like Louis for example, converting it to a Japanese name, and then translating it back as Rouis. Regardless of how they arrived at that translation, the original name was Louis, and the translation obviously is trying to refer to that same name, so it should be spelt Louis. And just to make the point slightly clearer, there are over 50 different variations of the name Wilhelmina(whether they be alternate spellings, or different names derived from that original name). none of them are spelled Wirhelmina.

2006-03-07, 18:26	Link #788
Bahamut ...lost in nothingness... Join Date: Dec 2005	...Wirhelmina...Wilhelmina...**** it! Who cares? We'll just call her "meido" ...just like Tanaka in the last ep... Tanaka: What's up with that meido?

2006-03-07, 19:03	Link #789
Prodigious Level 5 Haruhiist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: PA Age: 36	Ahem I think you mean "uber-hot meido"

2006-03-07, 21:25	Link #790
Aznhobo Member Join Date: Feb 2006	I hate when she puts on her mask though, she looks like some sort of character in cirque du freak

2006-03-07, 21:37	Link #791
kira_lacusXX LOVELY☆COMPLEX Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada	reminds me of naruto i think...but the first time i saw the mask i was like....pffff [small snicker] definitely looks good... wilhelmina looks better without it no doubt about it

2006-03-07, 21:47	Link #793
Prodigious Level 5 Haruhiist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: PA Age: 36	I agree the mask blows. Everyone else has a cool jinki. The tuner guy has that bracelet, Shana's got the amulet, hell even Margery's book isn't all that bad. But Wilhelma's got a damn maid's bonnet that turns into a hideous mask. Why would anyone want to cover up such a lovely face?

2006-03-07, 23:27	Link #795
Mr.Hawq The Hawqman Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ottawa Ontario Age: 33	I'm not sure, but my observation to Werhelmina not hesitating to kill Yujji is that, way back in the early episodes they said that only flame haze fight the tomogara because they have a bad past and have a reason about it, where as Shana is the ony flame Haze that does not have any issues with the Tomogara, thus she is weak at being a flame haze, and easily falls in love with Yujji which causes her to protect him.

2006-03-08, 10:18	Link #796
lavielove ... Join Date: Dec 2005	Margery used to turn into the bear when she evloved. Shana turned into half-phoenix when she evolves. I have a question now,where Tiamat reside ? May be I didn't watch carefully, I still didn't notices the place where Tiamat reside.

2006-03-08, 14:12	Link #800
SoldierOfDarkness The Dark Knight Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From the deepest abyss in the world, where you think? Age: 38	Well the device is suppose to replenish the torch so being a machine contraption makes sense.