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2011-03-13, 21:47 | Link #1262 |
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As it pertains to that black cat, I have a theory.
Maybe that black cat is from another highly advanced alien race, comparable to Kyubey's but of a different viewpoint and approach. Perhaps that black cat race has something akin to Star Trek's Prime Directive, and hence disagrees with any meddling whatsoever in the affairs of humans. However... Kyubey's little wish-granting scheme has now created a nasty little time loop, and perhaps that's corrupting the timeline as a whole. The Black Cat race decide that it's time to get involved to fix this problem. The Black Cat race has the technology needed to unlock human magical potential, just as Kyubey's race does. However, the Black Cat race are able and willing to do it with out the soul gem catch. So they show up on Earth, and make that offer to Madoka. Madoka takes it, becomes a different type of magical girl, and saves the day. Homura's wish has been fulfilled (somewhat indirectly) and so life goes on and the loop ends. Now, would Gen be this kind? Maybe not. On the other hand, though, it's now been shown that the OP is very reflective of the real story of this anime, so I'm inclined to think that this black cat will show up in one or both of the two remaining episodes.
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2011-03-14, 04:44 | Link #1264 |
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Oh dear god, I just found a fanart that makes for such an ending worthy of Urobuchi that I feel depressed from the very idea that this could even happen.
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2011-03-14, 05:03 | Link #1265 | |
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Some late speculations based off episode 9, also carried off a post I made there, though I have indeed also watched episode 10 by now:
First, some speculation as to how the ending will play out, c&p nearly verbatim from my ep. 9 post: In terms of thematic consistency. Kyuubey as an 'alien' represents the cold, objective perspective of the natural world, where, against all our ideals of faith and justice and good intentions and genuine meaning, our feelings of self-entitlement to happiness can be turned against us. 'Entropy' reinforces a fundamental truth of our world, where nothing can actually be got from nothing, where everything has a cost, and a gain in one place equates to a loss elsewhere. As Kyuubey harvests energy for the good of the universe, this 'free' emotional energy from humans is really not arising from nowhere--that good, in fact, is being paid in direct proportion by the suffering of these young girls we have come to follow. And this, as well, is simply life/reality. Our own comforts, livelihoods, freedoms right now are also most definately being paid on the backs of others; and we too, in this vast universe, may at some point in our existences also have our joy trampled for someone else's sake. How then do we live? Selfishly, hoarding for our own gain, and striking out at anything that threatens us? Or blindly, clinging to our idealism, hurtling headlong into the earth as reality catches up with us? This is the question Madoka Magica is confronting, in more direct and strongly a manner than I have almost ever seen in a piece of entertainment media. Kyouko in episode 9 offers a poignant and relevant answer. Discard your hindrances: live--and die, then--by the one thing you truly care for. Powerful as this idea is, it has merely trapped Homura in an endless recursion of suffering and sent Kyouko to die at the hands of a witch which cannot even recognize her. In the end, it will probably be Madoka who shows us the answer; that is if I and Hyperborealis are right about this show's themes, and I hope we are. If I may speculate, furthermore, the thought has just occurred to me that that answer may lie in the words Madoka's mother gave to her: to learn to let go, make mistakes, and let something wrong happen. Perhaps, indeed, to be an adult means to accept loss, be resilient, and move on, allowing necessary evils to pass by for things more important. Indeed, we might have even already received an answer, inasmuch as it has been said (by the series director, I believe) that Kyuubey as he is now survives through the end of the series. Next, a speculation about the nature of the 'emotional energy' Kyuubey is gathering from Mahou Shoujo and the origin of Madoka's unprecedented power, given the following translation: Quote:
(I think it is indeed the Grief Seed, and not the transformation itself, which contains Kyuubey's desired energy. This idea seems somewhat dubious going on the information from this and the next episode. I will wait until episodes 11 and 12 to confirm, though, as this would currently give the show more conceptual consistency.) Finally, to state my position on the black cat issue for the record. First, there's been a sighting of it (at least, I'm betting it's the same cat) in the Kazumi Magica manga. Given both it's thus far apparently minor/mascot role in that manga, as well as the fact that after episode 10 I feel the anime has already closed/answered most questions/plot issues, I am going to bet that the black cat is also just a mascot character in the anime (i.e., a normal cat which Madoka, Sayaka, et al hang around). A minor red herring, if you will. That'll be all for now. |
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2011-03-14, 05:24 | Link #1266 | |
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2011-03-14, 05:37 | Link #1267 |
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i'm so frustrated. i dun have any idea how gen would end this. I wish for NO RESET for either Madoka and Homura. I dun want them ending up saving each other only to fail. That'd be cruel for me..
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2011-03-14, 06:00 | Link #1268 |
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I'd say a circle works here considering she died without becoming a witch in the first iteration so she could have intentionally let her soul gem get destroyed after finishing off Walpurgis, which adds yet another level of depressing to what was already a highly depressing speculah. I'm torn between wanting a bittersweet ending where at least someone ends up happy and having it end just like in that picture to cement the series as a masterpiece.
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It's great that people find such deep meanings in Madoka but sometimes I think too much weight is added to words like "balance". It's a romantic notion to hold, and I note that some posters really think Madoka is some kind of metaphor for humanity, but I have to disagree. Sometimes something simply is, what it is. When the characters speak of balance, they mean it in the karmic sense. The notion is "I got what I deserved" perhaps, something along those lines. It isn't a physical law in the story where everything MUST have a balance.
Every event in the story is the result of choices. Even Mami, on deaths door, could have refused the wish. Sayaka could have taken the help when it was offered to her. Kyouko didn't have to kill herself. Etc., etc., etc. There are choices, even when they aren't choices you like. All else aside, the only universal constant is that every event has consequences. Action or inaction, both carry consequences. We see how this plays out each time Homura loops back into the past. Each time is different, because the choices changed. We find meaning in that which affects us. It does not automatically mean that what we found meaning in is telling us those things. We interpret as we're inspired, nothing more. Quote:
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To further support this, Kyubey states he doesn't care about humanity after Madoka turns into a Witch. He clearly doesn't need her Grief Seed because he already collected the energy from her transformation into a Witch. On another note, why people want a bad end of some kind is beyond me. Wasn't most of the episodes including the events of the last episode enough? Maybe it's just me, but I'd like to see these characters get a break after going through so much crap.
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2011-03-14, 08:00 | Link #1271 | |
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All I'm hoping for is for Homura and Madoka to be together in the end. If they can also topple the Incubators' system and save the city/world in the process, then even better. Right now, I'd say infinite time loop is the most likely ending. I'm very eager to see the next episode. On the topic of the black cat... I think it's simply a black cat that will have no relevance whatsoever to the story.
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2011-03-14, 08:46 | Link #1272 | |
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I don't know whether Madoka and Homura can remove Kyubey and his system entirely, but after ep10, there is no purpose to seeing Madoka dying or becoming a Witch and Homura looping again. Something has to change this time. |
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2011-03-14, 09:04 | Link #1273 | |
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However, I could see there being one more loop, if this anime is slated for a sequel and/or a movie. Perhaps valuable lessons are learned from this loop which enables Homura to succeed in Timeline 6. If the Madoka Magica story ends in this 12 episode anime, then I am inclined to think that we are witnessing the final loop, though.
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2011-03-14, 09:21 | Link #1274 | |
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After Homura's third time around, she has just been experimenting by doing things differently instead of having a clear answer on how to stop Walpurgis Night without Madoka. Telling everyone directly did not work, so Homura keeps it all to herself and tries to solo everything. However, that fails, so this time around Homura tries a middle ground: not completely secretive, but cryptic, and not fighting alone, but with Kyoko. However, Homura is apparently alone again. Homura can only do trial and error so many times before even the audience loses their compassion. Also keep in mind that Madoka is the star of the show, not Homura. The story is centered around this current Madoka, so this timeline has to have a different ending. Should the series focus on Homura's endless grind of fate, she would be in the spotlight more instead of having her entire story condensed into one episode. |
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2011-03-14, 09:41 | Link #1275 |
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I wasn't trying to imply his endings are all "Bad Ends", just that most are not really what I'd call happy/good, so I'm not expecting a happy end a la Higurashi here. And for the record, I liked Saya no Uta's true ending. Love triumphed over everything (humanity, morality, etc...). It was horrifying yet incredibly beautiful at the same time. I wouldn't mind seeing a smilar ending in Madoka. There's no way Madoka would accept though. Homura definitely would, Madoka's life weighs more than anyone else's for her. She's the type that would sacrifice thousands for the sake of the one person she loves.
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If you look at most of the core character actions in this anime, they're driven by love or a desire for love. 1) Mami trying to recruit Madoka and Sayaka. Mami does this in large part because she's lonely. She desires friendship. She desires platonic love, basically. 2) Sayaka's wish is obviously rooted in romantic love. 3) Kyoko's wish is rooted in a familial love, and admiration for her father. 4) Homura's wish is rooted in love for Madoka. (Note that for all this talk about how wishes should be selfish, three of the four we know of where based on love for another person) 5) My view is that Kyoko had came to love Sayaka, and hence tried to save Sayaka, and eventually sacrificed herself in order to be with Sayaka in the end. 6) Should Madoka become a magical girl, it may be due to an unconditional, and perhaps self-sacrificial, love for the people and places that are important to her.
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2011-03-14, 11:05 | Link #1278 | |
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One thing I like about the idea of "love" being at the very core of this anime, is that it makes Kyubey the perfect antagonistic figure, as he stands in opposition to this theme of love by being a coldly unemotional alien.
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Sayaka turning into a Witch can also be seen as her losing her love for other people. She was falling out of love for Kyousuke because Hitomi took him, and she lost her sense of justice because the found that some of the normal people she wanted to protect were jerks, like those two guys on the train. Finally, while Kyoko did physically die, it was from her own sacrifice instead of being killed. Thanks to Sayaka and Madoka, she was reminded of her love for others and in a sense, received spiritual salvation. |
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