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Sheba · 2019-05-25, 01:42

If anything, the last couple of episodes reminds us why a good adaptation is good at enhancing the qualities of a story while toning down its flaws, while a average or mediocre or bad adaptation just makes the flaws more jarring. Not sure how many people were in charge of that task but this arc just fell short compared to the first ones.

I keep maintaining what I said about Shield Hero from when I read the manga. Its a alright story that suffer from the syndrome of the First Work of an Author. And it would have gained much more to give us the PoV of the other Heroes. Like I needed to read the manga to understand that Itsuki is just self-righteous with a vigilante mentality, instead of the yes-man he came up as in the first episode. Only Ren appeared as the better of the trio.

BWTraveller · 2019-05-25, 08:13

Yeah. From how I understand web novels are more conducive to immediate ideas without participation of editors or others to discuss what may be too strong or weak and what may shift things from just a reactive person who attacks those that attack him to a bigot with an agenda against certain demographics. It can be difficult to maintain action and drama big enough to draw readers while keeping the balance in the characters' reactions, especially if you're doing it serially with a fairly quick pace. Depending on how quickly the author publishes it could amount to the first draft that I've heard American authors constantly advise aspiring writers to throw immediately in the trash. Light novels then involve going back over all this and reexamining it, finding plot kinks that developed and characterization mistakes, enhancing things that need emphasis and toning down things that came across too strongly. Each further adaptation continues this trend, making adjustments sometimes to fix or improve things and sometimes to just make it more suited to the specific medium. Even then things can be kept that shouldn't (I mean, I doubt the author of SAO actually fantasizes about raping women, he probably just felt it was a good way to make people hate the villains). The anime has done well in some areas and poorly in others, but overall I like it.

And yeah, the manga and LN give a much better look at the heroes. Each is supposed to show a certain "virtue" carried to a level or direction that makes it anything but virtuous.

Spoiler for the three heroes:

Twi · 2019-05-25, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Kinematics

He did say that. (I checked some of the earlier chapters when I was trying to work out some mechanical details of the world.) And the impression I got was that he told himself this in order to convince himself that it was OK to buy a slave. That is, morally, he felt it was wrong, but realistically he knew he had no other reasonable options. He could accept purchasing Raphtalia as a slave if he could pretend it was actually Myne, because he had enough hate for Myne to overcome any distaste he had for slavery. That bit of self-delusion only lasted as long as it took for him to realize Raphtalia needed food (so about a 15 minute walk, in the anime).

For more visual storytelling, in the anime, you'll note that every time Naofumi was saying cruel or mean things to Raphtalia (such as the rabbit fight), he always kept his face turned away from her. In fact, even when the camera faced him, his face was in shadow, so not even the audience could see him directly. It's a facade that he knows he can't keep up. He's not good at lying.

Hmm... I suppose it could be seen in that light. Fair enough.

Frontier · 2019-05-25, 17:44

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Originally Posted by Sheba

If anything, the last couple of episodes reminds us why a good adaptation is good at enhancing the qualities of a story while toning down its flaws, while a average or mediocre or bad adaptation just makes the flaws more jarring. Not sure how many people were in charge of that task but this arc just fell short compared to the first ones.

I keep maintaining what I said about Shield Hero from when I read the manga. Its a alright story that suffer from the syndrome of the First Work of an Author. And it would have gained much more to give us the PoV of the other Heroes. Like I needed to read the manga to understand that Itsuki is just self-righteous with a vigilante mentality, instead of the yes-man he came up as in the first episode. Only Ren appeared as the better of the trio.

I think that came out pretty clearly when Naofumi revealed how badly he bungled things with toppling that regime and Itsuki...did not react well

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2019-05-25, 08:13	Link #42
BWTraveller Born to ship Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Texas	Yeah. From how I understand web novels are more conducive to immediate ideas without participation of editors or others to discuss what may be too strong or weak and what may shift things from just a reactive person who attacks those that attack him to a bigot with an agenda against certain demographics. It can be difficult to maintain action and drama big enough to draw readers while keeping the balance in the characters' reactions, especially if you're doing it serially with a fairly quick pace. Depending on how quickly the author publishes it could amount to the first draft that I've heard American authors constantly advise aspiring writers to throw immediately in the trash. Light novels then involve going back over all this and reexamining it, finding plot kinks that developed and characterization mistakes, enhancing things that need emphasis and toning down things that came across too strongly. Each further adaptation continues this trend, making adjustments sometimes to fix or improve things and sometimes to just make it more suited to the specific medium. Even then things can be kept that shouldn't (I mean, I doubt the author of SAO actually fantasizes about raping women, he probably just felt it was a good way to make people hate the villains). The anime has done well in some areas and poorly in others, but overall I like it. And yeah, the manga and LN give a much better look at the heroes. Each is supposed to show a certain "virtue" carried to a level or direction that makes it anything but virtuous. Spoiler for the three heroes: Motoyasu is "loyalty" but he's so "loyal" that he'll believe anything someone he accepts as a friend at face value without a moment of doubt and denounces anyone who tries to suggest they might not be telling the truth, thus making him easy to manipulate. The LN even has his party do some horrible things to unwanted new recruits and even hearing them laugh about it he finds a way to believe it's false. Itsuki is "justice" but he's also arrogant and more focused on being a great hero who punishes the wicked than he is in actually seeing good done, resulting in nonsense like running in and defeating a "despot" without any concern for why the king did such things or what will happen afterward, it's all about being a great hero who defeats villains to him. Ren is "strength", and that's all he cares about. Nothing matters to him more than becoming stronger, gathering experience and materials and upgrading his weapon to get the highest stats possible. He prefers solo play and to him the dragon was just a boss to get materials from; no point sticking around afterward for anything since that time would be better spent grinding. This's part of the reason I see all three not as "cutouts to make Naofumi look good". Each is a representation of certain types of heroes and the mindsets of people who would try to play those roles, demonstrating the problems that can occur with them. If anything, Naofumi's there to make them look worse as even a bastard like him is better than them, not the other way around. Last edited by BWTraveller; 2019-05-25 at 11:01.

2019-05-25, 01:42	Link #41
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	If anything, the last couple of episodes reminds us why a good adaptation is good at enhancing the qualities of a story while toning down its flaws, while a average or mediocre or bad adaptation just makes the flaws more jarring. Not sure how many people were in charge of that task but this arc just fell short compared to the first ones. I keep maintaining what I said about Shield Hero from when I read the manga. Its a alright story that suffer from the syndrome of the First Work of an Author. And it would have gained much more to give us the PoV of the other Heroes. Like I needed to read the manga to understand that Itsuki is just self-righteous with a vigilante mentality, instead of the yes-man he came up as in the first episode. Only Ren appeared as the better of the trio.