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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto (Season Two) - Episode 14-16 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 25 | 19.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 18 | 13.95% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 10.08% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 6.20% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 12 | 9.30% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.55% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 3.10% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 10 | 7.75% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 3.10% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 33 | 25.58% | |
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2013-08-20, 20:48 | Link #323 | |
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This is a key distinguishing characteristic in how "spicy" a tsundere is, imo. If you look at the "mild" tsunderes I listed, it's all verbal for them. Very rarely does it get physical for either of them. If you look at the "medium" tsunderes I listed, it sometimes gets physical. However, there's usually a sort of safety valve here that takes the edge off of it (i.e. the tsundere shows a lot of dere, or the target of the tsun violence can take it without much trouble because of certain powers/abilities that he has). If you look at the "strong" tsunderes I listed, it sometimes/often gets physical, and there's less of a safety valve here. If you look at the "insanity" tsunderes I listed, it often gets physical, and the tsun to dere ratio strongly favors the tsun. You have to admit that Kirino is extremely tsun, and often violent towards Kyousuke. Even if that's played for jokes, or has some sort of rationale behind it, that can get discomforting to many viewers after awhile (especially when its clear that it is in fact hurting the guy). It's a discomfort comparable to the discomfort some feel when eating food that's too spicy for them. But some don't seem to be bothered by all of this violence, so I think its comparable to how some aren't bothered by extremely spicy food and in fact like it.
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2013-08-20, 20:53 | Link #324 | |
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2013-08-20, 21:01 | Link #325 | ||
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Obviously, the way she went about it was childish, but so was the grudge they both held towards each other. Even Kyousuke, though upset by Kirino's behaviour, also admitted that Manami had been way too harsh to Kirino in the past. So in my view, Kirino's taunting was unfortunate but necessary from her perspective to not allow Manami to keep looking like the completely-innocent good-guy. She had to make Manami "lose her cool". Quote:
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2013-08-20, 21:03 | Link #326 | ||
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That being said, I know that some siblings do have the occasional fight that involves blows. But it's generally not entirely one-way. The male sibling might not actually punch his sister, but he might do something like pull on her hair or throw her to the ground in response to her punching him. The thing with Kirino-Kyousuke is that the violence is entirely one-way, so it feels to many viewers like the classic case of a tsundere beating up on the male lead. Quote:
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2013-08-20, 21:32 | Link #328 | |
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To bring another example to table I was okay with Kirino tsun, but really dislike Taiga's on the beginning of Toradora. I won't go on deep as this isn't the right topic, but the gist of it is that I felt her actions excessive, without good justification and against someone who did nothing to deserve it. Of course, in the end how much and what contexts are acceptable depends on the person. What I'm trying to argue is that others factors can affect how much a person feels the "spiciness" of the character. So one could like Kirino even they're not that tolerant of tsundereness if they think the context justify it. Which happens to be my case. I do like the whole "character acts tough but have a weak/soft side" but when it comes to violence and aggressiveness I can't take much if I find it unjustifiable.
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2013-08-21, 00:18 | Link #330 | |
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Like someone else above me, I really liked your analogy, i'm sure I'll be using it sometimes in the future, hope you don't mind. And the 3th point I can relate to, I guess Kirino tried her best to keep a balance between her -Two worlds- her Otaku side and her normal side. BTW! Completely off topic~ But Man oh man, I know I myself don't contribute to much to the discussion, but what I have learned over the years is that anime-fans get really passionate when defending a character/point of view. Since everyone is talking about Kirino right now, I'll stay on the side, but don't even start on Kuroneko I'll defend that boat with my life if necessary =P |
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2013-08-21, 00:27 | Link #331 | |
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I fully-support a Gokou family spin-off story.
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2013-08-21, 00:44 | Link #332 | |
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The tragic heroine is an appropriate description. Her role just makes Oreimo bittersweet, at least for Kuroneko fans. And bittersweet stories are often well-remembered. |
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2013-08-21, 00:55 | Link #333 | |
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Kuroneko plays the most important role in leading to the ending, sacrificing her own happiness for that of her friends. I was really glad about the scene of the 4 of them at the cafe where Kirino and Ruri fought over anime like they always did basically saying nothing has really changed between them even with all the funny business with Kyousuke. Just about everyone has that one loyal friend who would be willing to stand beside you in thick and thin and for Kirino/Kyousuke that friend is Ruri if you ask me. I honestly wonder if we are going to see something like a spin-off story, there is certainly enough characters that aren't fully explored that you could do so but I feel like most of the "spin-off" scenarios are covered in the two games.
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2013-08-21, 02:38 | Link #334 | ||
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First off, Kirino stand is hurt by the perspective of the story: It is told from the perspective of Kyousuke. And Kirino behaves tsundere (or bratty, or abusive as others have called it), almost exclusive towards Kyousuke. She may behave like 90% tsun, but that is because we only get to see a small portion of her character (to draw an analogy, it would be like if we only got to see Kuroneko in class - at least before Kyousuke got her to be more open - that is, somebody who appears to be anti-social and sometimes quite rude). But still, if one isn't completely fixated on her negatives, one can pick up her positive sides a number of times. She is very mindful of her friends, has a very caring side and is also selfless when it comes to the well-being of those she loves. She is a very hard worker (more on that later), and has a strong sense of responsibility. To mention some examples: 1) When she met Ayase on the set the first time, who was new there, she openly approached her and offered to guide her and share her own experience. 2) She cared very much about Ria, and even by Kyousuke's admission, she is actually a very good onee-san. 3) When she arrived back home from America, she went forward and gave every one of her friends a call to apologize / telling them she's back, instead of just sending a text, which would have been more convenient. 4) In the anime, she came up with the idea to go to Saori's for a surprise birthday party. 5) Kirino told Kyousuke if some girl in the future confesses to him, he should give her serious thought for she really did love her, even though in her heart, she despised Kyousuke going out with anybody. And when Kyousuke was sad after the break-up she took it upon herself to look for Kuroneko, even if it meant them getting back together. 6) Even though she thought she would miss the Meru-fest due to the shooting taking longer, she never complained or got annoyed and did everything to the very satisfaction of the photographer. Quote:
As some others have mentioned, she was slow in her childhood. But through determination and hard work (practice), she became a good athletic. "Model athlete", however? She got shown her limits in America, when she was completely outclassed. Saying, her qualities are luck is to completely ignore a central trait of Kirino: She's one of the hardest workers you'll ever see. When she has made up her mind to do something, she will work her hardest to achieve it and not give up, even if it goes bad. Just remember her America experience, she set herself a challenge, and even though it pained her that she failed to achieve it, she didn't give up, prompting Kyousuke to tell her while cryingthat she didn't need to work so hard. Also, during that race with Ria, Kyousuke stated that what he thought was somebody with natural talent was in the end somebody who just worked harder than everybody else. Just like he was overtaken by her back in the past, she was overtaken by Ria, but instead of giving up (and be jealous) like him, she faced that challenge.
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2013-08-21, 10:04 | Link #335 |
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Well, I got a mixed thought about this series finale. Both positive and negative, but about 2/3 of my thoughts in this post goes to negative. Anyway, the positive one first.
And so, Kirino earns her happy ending here. Congrats, good for her. It shows how much hardship she has been through most of the time in order to rekindle her relationship with Kyousuke ever since childhood, especially her grudge against Manami, whom she blamed for 'stealing' her beloved onii-chan from her. Now, her final boss is defeated. My, it sure is very painful for Manami's loss since then. It looks like this series explained well on Kirino's perspective, as well as to justify the reasons why Kirino was doing to win over Kyousuke. And for the negative side... Oh man, I'm very sorry if my ranting could overly exaggerating, but I had to get this off my chest. I would make sure it isn't has a bait in it, even though it's biased. Sigh... So where am I going to begin with? Well, I rated this 1/10 for the first time. Sorry... But I felt like wanna give a piece of mind on how bad things have turned out. |
2013-08-21, 10:34 | Link #336 | |
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And he didn't reject them because the author had to bend a way for a Kirino ending. Kyousuke loves Kirino - very much. He realized himself, that it wouldn't be fair to keep the others on a leash, when he loves somebody else more than them. Do you consider it better, if he doesn't reject them, while he prefers Kirino? What he did was harsh, but it enabled all of the others to move on, instead of hoping he might have a change of heart someday. This Kyousuke's-a-scum-for-rejecting-everybody is something I really don't understand. I think somebody's a scum if he tries to keep multiple girls around him, as quasi-backup, because that shows his feelings towards everybody is shallow and he's using them in the worst possible way. As for Ayase, in the novel the Ayase rejection was part of the last volume, so you should consider it part of the OVA narrative. Of course it's harsh for Ayase-fans, that she doesn't appear there, but in the end, she's a minor (or better sounding, supporting) character. The main characters of Oreimo are Kyousuke, Kirino, Kuroneko, Saori and Manami. Where I see a problem, was the anime staff trying to ride Ayase's popularity for higher sales. For example by forcing that Episode 2 in, which was completely unnecessary and simply a waste of precious time, that then lacked in other areas (even though I found it quite funny). Through that, they got the hopes and expectations of Ayase-fan's up to a degree, they were sure to disappoint. And people thinking Kyousuke might come back to Kuroneko are not supported by the plot. Kuroneko herself cut the bridge behind Kyousuke by organizing that "biggest curse of her life" (blasting his admittance of loving Kirino with those loudspeakers into the Tokyo nightsky).
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To clarify, both scenes appear as flashbacks during the sequence where Kyousuke is chasing after Kirino who ran away after he told her that he is in love with someone. At that point, the reader still doesn't know who Kyousuke is referring to which makes the buildup toward his confession to Kirino much stronger. Both scenes are a bit more detailed as well. |
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