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kazzuya · 2014-09-30, 01:44

I found the raw WN and started reading on volume 2 and I must say I'm having a major headache.

Velsy · 2014-09-30, 13:07

Noooo, hope that guy doesnt die... I kinda liked him. Itami will be sad D: Dam cliff hanger.. have to wait a month ><. He took a stab wound, but cant tell if its fatal yet. Still hoping that last shot got her point blank range.

I was feeling really sorry for the loyalest bunnies at the beginning who got betrayed by their own Queen. But (for whats left of them) have attacked the JSDF, proving he doesn't die and reports it, theres no hope for them anymore. For any of the survivers. Is what I would think.

btw, Is that bunny the one that joked around with Itami ?

Breimoon · 2014-09-30, 13:16

Bunny seems to have injured leg, it is not aiming for a lethal stab(even first try she wanted to hit food). After all she gets along with them(yes she is the one joking around with them) and has to kill Norito for a reason.

tonyorobsky · 2014-09-30, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Breimoon

Bunny seems to have injured leg, it is not aiming for a lethal stab(even first try she wanted to hit food). After all she gets along with them(yes she is the one joking around with them) and has to kill Norito for a reason.

Not aiming for a lethal stab??? If glasses guy didn't step back at the first attack (I don't know if he stepped back consciously or got bad balance), the blade would have been deeply stabbed into his head (like in Riddick Chronicles

)

I think, maybe, she wanted to kill Norito because she heard Norito was a slave of the barbarian prince.

Also, that last gunshot, I don't know if it was aimed at the leg, the hip or... the butt (left meat bun)...

...I would have liked it if she got into Itami's harem... But it looks like it won't happen...

cupumanager · 2014-09-30, 15:51

I don't get why she try to kill some Japanese...or I just forgot? Someone, please remind me.

Also, ahahah, she prayed to Emroy too...

EDIT: Ah, yes, now I remember after rereading old chapters...

XFire · 2014-09-30, 18:44

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Originally Posted by cupumanager

I don't get why she try to kill some Japanese...or I just forgot? Someone, please remind me.

Also, ahahah, she prayed to Emroy too...

EDIT: Ah, yes, now I remember after rereading old chapters...

I don't, why would she have to kill one of them?

Gun_Seraph · 2014-09-30, 18:47

Actually,

Spoiler for Reason:

About Bunny Queen

Spoiler for Slavery:

Spoiler for Bunny Assassin:

kazzuya · 2014-09-30, 18:53

It seems to me that Yaginada purposely missed and hit the legs instead.

jaydreadzz · 2014-09-30, 22:48

ohhh man i really hate this cliff hanger especially MONTHLY MANGA so much cliff hangers

hope someone will spoiler the LN version

tonyorobsky · 2014-09-30, 23:48

... So... For those who know, where was she hit exactly??? Was it the hip, right at the joint?? Or...

NP-3228 · 2014-10-01, 00:46

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Originally Posted by tonyorobsky

... So... For those who know, where was she hit exactly??? Was it the hip, right at the joint?? Or...

In a spoiler somewhere in the forum it was the hip. Spoiler didn't say where on the hip tho. Afterwords she was saved and needed metal implants since glasses unloaded the rest of his clip in her hips...those child-bearing hips nooooo!

kukuru · 2014-10-01, 01:39

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Originally Posted by XFire

Well....

Pretty much this. She isn't dodging the bullets, she's dodging his aim. Which worked up till the end.

Realistically anyone can dodge a gun(via the aim). The nature of close combat is very effective for melee weapons (daggers,short sword, etc) and in dark environment with surprise advantage especially good for the melee attack.

Even a trained officer (and I can't really say JSDF are that good in live combat in parallel to modern times, but for sake of comparison) is at a extreme disadvantage with a semi auto pistol.

The recoil, rate of fire, and aiming is very difficult on a moving target, when adrenaline is pumping into you (tunnel vision) and the need to take defensive maneuvers(fear and hesitation).

But ya the manga is pretty accurate depiction of circumstances. It's game over the moment she fails to disable her opponent. That's when being pumped full of bullet is more or less going to happen.

Now if it wasn't pistol fire (a guard on pratrol)...ya... no way you can beat military grade rifle, even in close combat. Shooting with the shoulder to prevent recoil, and a sight aim will all highly increase the effectiveness of a semi-auto fire rate, not to mention the increase stopping power...you can't really beat that even at such close range.

The bunny should have learn to run instead of kill, like a real assassin. It's it much harder to hit someone in urban setting, if you're fleeing.

Though I wonder about that stab wound. It looks very nasty. Wouldn't such a large hit cause enough shock alone to disable an opponent even in adrenaline pumping state?

laclongquan · 2014-10-01, 01:59

NO idea of real life, but in this series, Japanese special forces fight on par with three other SF forces of other nations. By that standard, they are quite good indeed.

Still, it's dark, she's fast and purposely avoid his aim, so yeah, possible wont die. Another point that military otaku should have made is that handgun got small caliber ammo. Unless it's .45, a bullet of 9 mm size wont kill outright unless hit the vital point. More reason for her to just be wounded only.

Oldtimers complain nonstop that 9mm and 5.56 is just pissing target off, not killing them in oneshot

Final reason: He's an intelligence officer, ie, in military parlance, a rear echelon mother fucker (REMF) not frontline officer. THere's a difference in combat quality.

walt · 2014-10-01, 12:09

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Originally Posted by ZeKeR

but nuking the capital is just too overkill tho and the bit agreed in Geneva is the whole

International rights it's just will of Countries with nuclear super might

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Originally Posted by ZeKeR

"conventional weapons only so MOAB and tsar bomba

Tsar bomb it's greatest nuclear bomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu88gb1EpmI

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Originally Posted by ZeKeR

tactical nukes and ICBMS are not allowed"

WAT? nuclear power not controlled by any international rights, but only by
Countries with nuclear super might
[/QUOTE]

kukuru · 2014-10-01, 14:09

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Originally Posted by laclongquan

Oldtimers complain nonstop that 9mm and 5.56 is just pissing target off, not killing them in oneshot

Final reason: He's an intelligence officer, ie, in military parlance, a rear echelon mother fucker (REMF) not frontline officer. THere's a difference in combat quality.

Well while stopping power is an issue in close combat, it's really not as important as the skill of the user.

Someone who's screaming shit in combat you know isn't going to be special forces or even active duty level marksmanship.

Kudos to the authors for setting up the details right.

If it was a well trained and seasoned killing machine. That semi-auto is more then enough to suppress even a highly mobile bunny warrior.

A proper suppressive fire rate maintaining stance, concentration, and emotional turmoil...is pretty overwhelming.

Getting off 10 shots even in a general direction is going to be overwhelming favoring the gunmen unless there's body armor involved.

She lucked out getting confronted by a sap.

kasimmorathi · 2014-10-01, 14:35

As a point of note, a senior (non-combat) officer has likely had no reason to draw outside of qualifications. And target shooting is far from combat. Your adrenaline is up, heart rate is up, limbs get shaky - especially when firing at a highly mobile (implied that she is very fast) target. Having no reason to expect a shoot situation also helped.

Look at real world scenarios were police officers fire on a target - the actual hit ratio is dismal, even in close quarters. This scene doesn't surprise me in the slightest and feels fairly realistic given the context.

Breimoon · 2014-10-01, 14:50

Yeah. On the other side furthermore we have a demi human who is non only implied to have faster reflexes/speed/Strenght than a simple human but has way more experience in fighting(she was a warrior) , that already knows how the other side fights and she was already ready for combat.

XFire · 2014-10-01, 17:35

If anything, I was impressed at Mr Desk Jockey's sudden badassness. I mean, he gets slashed and stabbed with a frickin' Kukiri blade, and his reaction is to grab his enemies head and pump her ass full of bullets.

laclongquan · 2014-10-02, 01:46

Note that bringing a knife to a gunfight still wont bring different result. She's still disabled, even though a bunny veteran warrior against a REMF.

Note on the bunny: her recollection show that she experienced at least two battles, and killed at least 3 in melee combat, survived the massacre on foot and emptyhanded. Indeed a veteran warrior.

ZeKeR · 2014-10-02, 10:04

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Originally Posted by laclongquan

Note that bringing a knife to a gunfight still wont bring different result. She's still disabled, even though a bunny veteran warrior against a REMF.

Note on the bunny: her recollection show that she experienced at least two battles, and killed at least 3 in melee combat, survived the massacre on foot and emptyhanded. Indeed a veteran warrior.

and a recruit lugging a combat shotgun (and I think I saw some of the JSDF capital base blast a four armed guy in the head using a Saiga "borrowed" by Itami from the Spetsnaz trying to have an audience with Pina) would be utterly disastrous at that range as well... at least standard buckshot can't literally tear one's limbs off the body... right?

2014-09-30, 01:44	Link #1461
kazzuya Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014	I found the raw WN and started reading on volume 2 and I must say I'm having a major headache. __________________ It's not that I'm a monster. You're just too weak. -Ronant (Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka)

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Velsy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Noooo, hope that guy doesnt die... I kinda liked him. Itami will be sad D: Dam cliff hanger.. have to wait a month ><. He took a stab wound, but cant tell if its fatal yet. Still hoping that last shot got her point blank range. I was feeling really sorry for the loyalest bunnies at the beginning who got betrayed by their own Queen. But (for whats left of them) have attacked the JSDF, proving he doesn't die and reports it, theres no hope for them anymore. For any of the survivers. Is what I would think. btw, Is that bunny the one that joked around with Itami ? __________________ Donated by Om Nerabdator

2014-09-30, 15:51	Link #1465
cupumanager Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	I don't get why she try to kill some Japanese...or I just forgot? Someone, please remind me. Also, ahahah, she prayed to Emroy too... EDIT: Ah, yes, now I remember after rereading old chapters... Last edited by cupumanager; 2014-09-30 at 16:11.

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Gun_Seraph Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Actually, Spoiler for Reason: From what I've read and the spoilers here: Bunny-Girl is a spy send from House Formal - he noble family in charge of Italica - that was send to Arnus Hill to keep Formal informed. The previous head had a thing for demi-humans -in a good way- and rescued her after the empire laid waste to the bunny kingdom. Now she got orders to dispose of Noriko on official formal paper -important tidbit- which she hesitates to fulfill. Spoiler for Letter: The paper is real, one of the servants owns a lot of money to some sleazy guys who used him to get the paper in order to send the orders Spoiler for orders: which in fact is a ploy by the bunny queen and sleazy oblin/orc dude, who wish to encite full-out war between the jsdf and the empire. Having witnessed the might of the jsdf, bunny-queen hopes for the empires ruin About Bunny Queen Spoiler for Slavery: To ensure the safety of her people she "willingly" became the princes plaything. Bastard didn't keep his word though and continued to rape and pillage in secret. The other bunny tribes believe she sold herself to the prince to save herself and abandoned her people. She thanks the prince appropriately when her machinations prove less than satisfactory Spoiler for Bunny Assassin: from the spoilers she survives and gets surgery, including metal implants. Wonder how she'll react when she finds out the truth

2014-09-30, 18:53	Link #1468
kazzuya Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014	It seems to me that Yaginada purposely missed and hit the legs instead. __________________ It's not that I'm a monster. You're just too weak. -Ronant (Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka)

2014-09-30, 13:16	Link #1463
Breimoon Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	Bunny seems to have injured leg, it is not aiming for a lethal stab(even first try she wanted to hit food). After all she gets along with them(yes she is the one joking around with them) and has to kill Norito for a reason.

2014-09-30, 22:48	Link #1469
jaydreadzz Love Miku x Rin <3 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In Your Heart <3	ohhh man i really hate this cliff hanger especially MONTHLY MANGA so much cliff hangers hope someone will spoiler the LN version __________________

2014-09-30, 23:48	Link #1470
tonyorobsky Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	... So... For those who know, where was she hit exactly??? Was it the hip, right at the joint?? Or...

2014-10-01, 01:59	Link #1473
laclongquan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Age: 42	NO idea of real life, but in this series, Japanese special forces fight on par with three other SF forces of other nations. By that standard, they are quite good indeed. Still, it's dark, she's fast and purposely avoid his aim, so yeah, possible wont die. Another point that military otaku should have made is that handgun got small caliber ammo. Unless it's .45, a bullet of 9 mm size wont kill outright unless hit the vital point. More reason for her to just be wounded only. Oldtimers complain nonstop that 9mm and 5.56 is just pissing target off, not killing them in oneshot Final reason: He's an intelligence officer, ie, in military parlance, a rear echelon mother fucker (REMF) not frontline officer. THere's a difference in combat quality.

2014-10-01, 14:35	Link #1476
kasimmorathi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	As a point of note, a senior (non-combat) officer has likely had no reason to draw outside of qualifications. And target shooting is far from combat. Your adrenaline is up, heart rate is up, limbs get shaky - especially when firing at a highly mobile (implied that she is very fast) target. Having no reason to expect a shoot situation also helped. Look at real world scenarios were police officers fire on a target - the actual hit ratio is dismal, even in close quarters. This scene doesn't surprise me in the slightest and feels fairly realistic given the context.

2014-10-01, 14:50	Link #1477
Breimoon Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	Yeah. On the other side furthermore we have a demi human who is non only implied to have faster reflexes/speed/Strenght than a simple human but has way more experience in fighting(she was a warrior) , that already knows how the other side fights and she was already ready for combat.

2014-10-01, 17:35	Link #1478
XFire 150% done Join Date: Feb 2012	If anything, I was impressed at Mr Desk Jockey's sudden badassness. I mean, he gets slashed and stabbed with a frickin' Kukiri blade, and his reaction is to grab his enemies head and pump her ass full of bullets. __________________

2014-10-02, 01:46	Link #1479
laclongquan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Age: 42	Note that bringing a knife to a gunfight still wont bring different result. She's still disabled, even though a bunny veteran warrior against a REMF. Note on the bunny: her recollection show that she experienced at least two battles, and killed at least 3 in melee combat, survived the massacre on foot and emptyhanded. Indeed a veteran warrior.