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Old 2013-01-22, 07:52   Link #11721
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I suspect some people have decided that Medaka Box is a deconstruction of all things shounen and then get upset when certain parts don't seem to match up their idea of what a deconstruction should be. I personally think MB has fun with shounen tropes, while sometimes containing deconstructive elements (particularly the characters of Kumagawa and Ajimu, though not always). But! I don't need it to be or not be a deconstruction to enjoy it! Even when I don't always like the direction of the manga, it's still damn entertaining every week. And thus, I sincerely enjoy it. /endrant
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Old 2013-01-22, 08:48   Link #11722
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He got that far though not because of his own strength or determination but because all the big ones were occupied within themselves, when Luffy had to face them he looked weak. If not Whitebeards help Luffy would have been dead together with Ace. Luffy's determination, power-ups, experience and all that usual shounen boosts were quite useless.
Well hey, that's "main character" luck too. Exactly the type of coincidence which Devil Style was talking about. Why did Luffy survive, but not his brother? Because one of them is the MC.

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And thats what did not happen in OP. Because battle for someone who is close to you life is what I call a battle when it really damn matters and luffy lost it.

Usually such big events only happen in shounen's beginning as a stimulation for MC to train get batter and come back kicking ass not in the middle of the story with all the training and powerups with all the super determination to save the life of your only family member and failing to do so.
So what's the aftermath of the story? Did Luffy get back up? Did he take down the guys who killed his brother? Did the story come out with a theme about perseverence in the face of tragedy, and your loved ones still being in your heart? That is the shounen formula, dude (again, not that I have any real problems with it). There is no reason at all why a shounen protagonist can only be defeated at the start. But the fact is that they're the MC, so in the end they're gonna win.
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Old 2013-01-22, 09:02   Link #11723
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He got that far though not because of his own strength or determination but because all the big ones were occupied within themselves, when Luffy had to face them he looked weak. If not Whitebeards help Luffy would have been dead together with Ace. Luffy's determination, power-ups, experience and all that usual shounen boosts were quite useless.
That's the point, the reason shounen main characters win isn't only because of friendship or effort, though that plays a part. They win because they have power in the first place. If you're weak, you'll lose even though you have friends or try hard. Though, it's a chicken and egg kind of question: do you have power because you're the main character, or is it because you have power that you're the main character?

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I suspect some people have decided that Medaka Box is a deconstruction of all things shounen and then get upset when certain parts don't seem to match up their idea of what a deconstruction should be. I personally think MB has fun with shounen tropes, while sometimes containing deconstructive elements (particularly the characters of Kumagawa and Ajimu, though not always). But! I don't need it to be or not be a deconstruction to enjoy it! Even when I don't always like the direction of the manga, it's still damn entertaining every week. And thus, I sincerely enjoy it. /endrant
Yeah, people don't realise that you can't deconstruct everything all the time.
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Old 2013-01-22, 10:16   Link #11724
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So what's the aftermath of the story? Did Luffy get back up? Did he take down the guys who killed his brother? Did the story come out with a theme about perseverence in the face of tragedy, and your loved ones still being in your heart?
But the main characters being main characters is a problem of not just shounen but all manga or anime or novels or films industry in general. They sometimes kill off MC but such events happen very very rarely and only if the side-characetrs have plaenty of growth to overtake the role.

Main characters are supposed to be main characters you know. Its not just shounen thing.

And no Luffy didnt get back up, he was knocked out cold, nearly died and did not defeat the guy but got himself a nice pair of new scars.
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Old 2013-01-22, 11:42   Link #11725
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But the main characters being main characters is a problem of not just shounen but all manga or anime or novels or films industry in general. They sometimes kill off MC but such events happen very very rarely and only if the side-characetrs have plaenty of growth to overtake the role.

Main characters are supposed to be main characters you know. Its not just shounen thing.

And no Luffy didnt get back up, he was knocked out cold, nearly died and did not defeat the guy but got himself a nice pair of new scars.
And a new shirt with frills later on. Naturally new powers come with the package too. Does a love interest count too? Same for Black beard, does he count as a new enemy?
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Old 2013-01-22, 17:38   Link #11726
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Old 2013-01-22, 17:38   Link #11727
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Well that is that.
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Old 2013-01-22, 17:39   Link #11728
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Hah oh wow I was wrong.
Good.
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Old 2013-01-22, 17:53   Link #11729
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Hah oh wow I was wrong.
Good.
Spoiler for nothing really:
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Old 2013-01-22, 17:57   Link #11730
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Well, Zenkichi and Kumagawa have gone there. Why not Medaka?
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Old 2013-01-22, 18:52   Link #11731
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Well yeah, I meant more in that
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Old 2013-01-22, 19:26   Link #11732
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it would be be sick Zenkichi got a new power since he is the "new MC" of the manga lol
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Old 2013-01-22, 19:31   Link #11733
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Well, Zenkichi and Kumagawa have gone there. Why not Medaka?
Indeed.

I mean, uniqueness? Pfft. Who needs that shit?

Everyone, after-life party in the classroom, whoooo!
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Old 2013-01-22, 19:45   Link #11734
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Actually, on second thought, her being there doesn't really mean anything either way.
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Old 2013-01-23, 04:15   Link #11735
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Bye bye Kurogane... the weakest established link is now....

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Also, this is why the word "deconstruction" is very stupid.
Blame Madoka for making it the new cool kids word /facepalm.

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Furthermore, you realize that Bleach and Naruto are themselves heavily inspired by FotNS, Dragonball, etc, right?
Naruto "borrowed" a lot from Hunter X Hunter as well... which is currently outselling it, won't be long before it comes back into Jump...
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Old 2013-01-23, 04:27   Link #11736
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Naruto "borrowed" a lot from Hunter X Hunter as well... which is currently outselling it, won't be long before it comes back into Jump...
HxH isn't on hiatus because of sales

The mangaka has more than enough money to never work again. He'll only come back if he 'feels' like it.
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Old 2013-01-23, 04:33   Link #11737
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HxH isn't on hiatus because of sales

The mangaka has more than enough money to never work again. He'll only come back if he 'feels' like it.
Oh I know all about Togashi being a boss, you know Oda wishes he could do that stuff lol... Regardless I'm sure it's going to come back in the first half of this year anyway, would be silly to let such momentum slip, currently the #2 selling manga in Jump, anime is finally doing justice to a part that was poorly done in the past, Movie just came out, 2nd movie announced already.

Togashi da gawd, living the dream... I bet Level E got animated because he asked for it if they wanted him to do more chapters lol.
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Old 2013-01-23, 04:42   Link #11738
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Yeah I hope he comes back. The last couple of chapters really opened up the possibilities with lots of really intriguing plot points that he could continue on. Then there's the Kurapica gaiden which could continue a storyline that everyone is excited to revisit.
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Old 2013-01-23, 13:07   Link #11739
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it would be be sick Zenkichi got a new power since he is the "new MC" of the manga lol
That happened before with Devil Style and we all know how that turned out.
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Old 2013-01-24, 15:25   Link #11740
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Oh man ...
End God Mode ...
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