2012-08-20, 06:02 | Link #1161 |
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See, the thing is, I HATE harems. With a passion. Can't watch 'em. But this, this I like. The characters are all wacko, and, although the romance element is naturally there, they're all friends. Yes, even Yozora and Sena. And, even though, even in harems, the female lead is usually also quite clear, here it is everything but.
I also hate uncertain male leads and endings. But here, I'd feel soooooo bad for either member of the harem if Kodaka chose a girlfriend among them, that I wouldn't even mind if he didn't choose anyone Last edited by Lota; 2012-08-21 at 02:58. Reason: stupid grammar XD |
2012-08-20, 06:40 | Link #1162 | |
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Don't mind Sena X Yozora end though :P |
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2012-08-20, 23:34 | Link #1167 | |
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Furthermore, pretty much every time that Kodaka does a tsukkomi calling her oni/demon/bully or something she normally shows remorse (but 90% of the time doesn't reflect on it). There are also times when she still follows through cynically with her attacks, but even then she still understand what she is doing (and thus, doesn't show anger or whatever when being called names).
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2012-08-21, 01:48 | Link #1168 |
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Truth be told, haganai is not particularly brilliant writing, and follows just about most of the conventional LN cliches. To start off, one need to acknowledge Kodaka's role as the narrator, who gives perspectives, which are as important as the actual events. For anime viewers there's a tendency to focus on events then go off to interpret it in their own way - but a big chunk of the writing is in the narration, which is naturally lost in animated medium (well, you can't always have the main character talking to himself and have inner conversations in anime). I don't see a lot of discussion about the 'tidbits' like Kodaka detecting a hint of a smile, a pursed lip, faint mutterings etc from the girls as seen by Kodaka.
Bottomline, one have to read the novels (and be familiar with LN format in the first instance) to piece together the bits and pieces. |
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2012-09-04, 06:02 | Link #1172 | |
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Rika was a bit too. Well nowhere near Yozora, just a bit.
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2012-09-04, 06:17 | Link #1173 | |
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In the end, you have to keep in mind that not every story that contains romance is a love story (even if it is, in whole or in part, a "story about love").
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2012-09-04, 08:11 | Link #1175 | |
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2012-09-04, 08:19 | Link #1176 | |
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The main reasoning around peaking is that once all the mysteries around a love interest's relationship with the MC have been resolved, there's not much left to explore in the remaining novels. The corollary to this is that characters that have not been fully explored become much more likely to be the end girl. One qualification that needs to be made, of course, is that this becomes moot if the novel is coming to an end and it's too late to develop the unexplored character into as the end girl, but that's not really relevant to Haganai at this point. In this case, Haganai isn't close to being finished, but Sena's cards have mostly been played already. On the other hand, the feelings of Yozora, Rika, and even Yukimura are still mysteries. It is difficult (though not impossible) for the author to explorer those three while having Kodaka enter into a relationship with Sena at the same time. What's really important right now is Kodaka's reaction in the next novel, because that is extremely significant in foreshadowing how the novel will end. I support Sena though and I really hope Haganai becomes an exception to the rule with regard to peaking. As an aside, one example that is sort of an exception to the peaking rule is Spoiler:
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2012-09-04, 09:10 | Link #1177 | |
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Spoiler for For other genre shifting mangas:
It will be Perfectly logical (outside of the Harem genre) for Kodaka and Sena to end up on a prolonged romantic relationship, especially if the central plot premise evolves from this point out. Once a girl confesses, she'd either be rejected, or will win in a harem situation. Spoiler for V8 Spoiler:
It might still be possible to explore the remaining girls in the Friendzone. I'd say that Rika too has an enormous amount of development too. Really, the most undeveloped character right now is Yukimura. Going by the logic that the last girl who develops romantically win in a LN, then Yukimura might as well be the leading contender right now. Mind you, there was a badly OOC Hagani Fanfic that did make Yukimura the end girl. |
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2012-09-04, 16:53 | Link #1178 |
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Spoiler for Comparison to OreImo novels, no specifics:
Neither Yukimura nor Rika at this stage has enough 'pull' amongst characters other than Kodaka to be the end girls. Last edited by relentlessflame; 2012-09-04 at 17:20. Reason: added tags for the comparison |
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Your logic seems to come from the "anything is possible!" school of thinking. Experience, particularly in this genre, teaches me that this is extremely unlikely. You also kind of avoided answering my questions; instead your answer is essentially, "well, the story was about one thing, but now it'll be about something else because Genre Shift!". What you go on to say about Yukimura support this; how does that do anything to further the plot premise and bring resolution to the story? There's no clear logical trail there that I can follow.
I think this isn't like a shounen action story that shifts genres to increase readership. This is a story where you have a factions of cheering fans wanting to see who the romantic lead will choose. The final heroine is confirmed at the end of the story because fans who were cheering for someone else may become embittered or lose interest if they don't like the decision. This is the central premise of the shounen romantic comedy: prolong the romantic uncertainty for as long as possible. This is further compounded by the fact that this isn't only a romantic comedy, but a story that revolves around a club of social misfits and their efforts to make friends. While romantic entanglings and complications are central to the story, choosing a romantic partner changes the story completely, and threatens to remove the very thing that people may enjoy about the novels. So I think it is extremely unlikely that the author would shift the story such that it focuses on one specific romantic couple, except temporarily if that will cause a conflict that will lead to the final resolution of the plot (the plot twist). Quote:
Spoiler for Relevant genre examples (names only, includes anime, manga, and novels):
So anyway... because I know how this sort of debate thinking goes, I want to emphasize again that I am not saying this because I'm anti-Sena or pro anyone else. In honest truth, Sena is my favourite heroine in this story, and I think she and Kodaka would be a great couple... but I do not think the time is right from a storytelling perspective. Not yet, anyway.
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