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The fundamental difference between Minmei and Ranka is that Minmei didn't care about like you said "her love interest" at the beginning, unlike Ranka who since episode 1 was already infatuated wth Alto's charm and after his personality... Quote:
It describes best Sheryl : she couldn't save her own butt by herself, so Ranka did it And seriously, people love to say they can't sympathize with Ranka, since showing some pity for a character like her is ridiculous. But they tend to ignore that since episode 18 compassion is the first word in your mind when you want to describe Sheryl's character... Why I'm saying that ? It's simple : Since people knew Sheryl was dying in episode 18, they started to compare Sheryl's poor life with Ranka's joyful life ... Quote:
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Did you see how they resolved Sheryl's problem about her disease, it was hilarious. We don't know that much about Bilrer, Mao's husband, ... And Grace's death who seemed so invincible, two episode ago died being shot by Alto. Ranka's character had possibilities to evolve more but didn't, due to lack of time. |
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2008-12-10, 23:34 | Link #844 |
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It's irritating to hear you guys hate on Ranka so much, it is true that she didn't get enough time to develop as a character but hopefully they add another season, but most likely things will be explained in the movie. Ranka is just young and naive, to simply put it but that is what makes her character lovable, she's pure. She is the character that people love to hate, and it's because she is so pure.
What others find annoying about Ranka, I find cute. I figure that people seem to hate her because she is what others aren't. I wish I myself were as pure as her, but there is no such thing in the real world, no one will be able to survive in the real world being like Ranka, but it works in a science fiction anime of course, we as humans are deceptive and pretty much deceitful but Ranka is that character that is truly pure of heart. It's too bad that they didn't make the series longer because I would have loved to see Ranka's character develop more, hopefully we see something in the movie because I was disappointed at the ending of Macross Frontier, honestly I think that Ranka is really the person for Alto considering that she was supposed to be the middle of the triangle but since so many people loved Sheryl, they didn't kill her off. At least that's what I heard, but who knows. |
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As for killing Sheryl off? Sorry, that was never meant to be. Kawamori only mentioned that a staff brought the idea to him as a mere suggestion, which he promptly rejected. And he later went onto saying his original intent for Ranka would never work out. In fact, that is why he sent her away. - Tak (There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. For what Ranka had done, she got off very lightly)
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2008-12-10, 23:51 | Link #846 |
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I think people in this board had discussed more than enough if Ranka is pure or not, thus I won't argue on this point. However, MF is not a slice of life series, it's a plot-heavey show and Ranka is its heroine. Mind you, most people expected more than pureness from heroines. If Ranka is just a pure and cute girl, she is better off as a secondary character. And stop talking about time constraints for Ranka's character development, Alto is the one who really suffers. You know one of main reasons people hate Ranka? She got too much screentime and developed little to nothing.
As the pairing, most people believe it's logically Sheryl and Alto. I don't mean you are wrong or anything because I don't know why you think that way. I only tell you it's the opinion of majority. Edit: Damn, got beaten by Tak, AGAIN.
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2008-12-11, 01:51 | Link #847 | |
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It's funny how everyone ignores the selfish actions of other characters and only concentrate on the one they hate/dislike. As for the apology, well that's pretty bold considering the fact that her intention was to end the pointless war in the first place since she had a feeling that the Vajra weren't the real enemies, besides it wasn't Ranka's choice to be who she was...it just wasn't fair. Sheryl is a good character I admit that but no character is without their flaws. Oh and by the way, Sheryl should be thanking Ranka for saving her life. |
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Nothing is fair. It's the classic we don't choose who our parents or siblings are either. By the same vein, she was aware that she was an important element in the fight with the Vajra and yet she copped out/left because: </3 --> return love-machine home --> Kawamori didn't know what the hell to do with her character Lol, another deja vu. Yes, thank you so much Jesus Lee for saving the life of one one of the most awesome characters ever to grace my computer screen.
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2008-12-11, 03:19 | Link #849 |
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I sorta wonder why you keep bringing Sheryl up. Do you sincerely believe people hate Ranka because they are Sheryl fans?
Let me say something about your arguments. it's not Ranka's fault behaving like 16 year old (or 10 year old most people think so) or having the ability on bugs. It's her fault to be a boring heroine in everyone's beloved Macross series. Let's not forget Ranka throws herself to the guy without wearing underwear (here is screenshoot); let not forget Alto most likely dislike Brera because that guy shoots him in battle; let's not forget Ranka is a runaway and Mikhail is a womanizer; let's not forget Alto doesn't seems having any special feeling when he is in Ranka's room. Do you only remember the parts you like? Tell me about "the selfish actions of other characters" and tell me how their selfish actions cause death of others (not necessary to be in thousands or millions). I don't see Ranka has any idea to end the so-called pointless war. I only remember she wants to send Ai-gun home. Please enlight me how you support your conclusion. I only saw her abandoning her responsibility as the songtress of hope and her home fleet for the sake of a single bug. Even she does have a good intention to end that war, can she just sing a song for those whom have been killed by bugs before she leaves?
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2008-12-11, 03:46 | Link #850 |
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I actually liked Ranka quite much at the beginning. Only when her refusal to grow and mature began to cost the lives of thousands of the citizens of Macross ( and Michaels life ), was when I truly began to haterize the crap out of her. I think that can be easily discerned from the episode threads.
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lol how does that imply that she's a second class heroine when she had more screen time then Sheryl, Ranka missed an episode and a half, maybe 2. And Ranka is one of the most important characters in the anime, I was saying that it wasn't fair to dump all that responsibilty on her in response to Tak's comment saying Ranka dumped all the responsibility on a dying girl (Sheryl) which I beg to differ. Quote:
Yeah she kept pushing her away so much so that for some reason they kept meeting up in ridiculous situations. (The part where she was on the bench in that park and Alto somehow found her there) and I know he took her to his room because he didn't want to leave her there, that would just be wrong. Quote:
Well whether he said that or not, it doesn't mean that he will write that situation, just like the original script was re-written, he could change his mind about this too. Quote:
Oh come on now lol first off like I stated before, I believe he was conflicted with the idea that Ranka was with Brera now and since he had to defend Frontier, no other choice but to kill Ranka if needed. Given the situation, his emotions were swirling. Quote:
Honestly now, would you make a fool out of yourself and make an assumption that they were doing something and present yourself to them to make sure, most people would spy on them which brings me to my next point, what made him want to go to Formo Mall? I hope you remember when Sheryl asked where was the next place, Alto immediately jumped up and took her to Formo, exactly where Ranka and Michel were. (I seriously doubt it was a coincidence considering Alto's reaction to where they should go.) You're so called "Bounded Rationalism" makes no sense in this situation because 1. I never ignored the selfish actions that Ranka has made because she isn't the only one to make selfish decisions, and 2. I'm not concentrated on Sheryl's actions and I have not made any negative comments towards her, as I've said before I do think she's a great character but I don't see how Ranka is the only one making mistakes and making wrong decisions. Quote:
Yes she got her heart broken and couldn't sing because she was aware that it wouldn't have the same affect, I mean her world crashed before her eyes (you must understand the feeling of first love) and you can tell her to suck it up but that's easier said then done. This also has nothing to do with what she realized about the Vajra because it was after this event when Ai-kun came to her and molted into the 2nd stage version and she realized that if there is a Vajra that is this kind, then they can't really be bad which led her to make her decision. Whether you think it was the right decision or not is your opinion but she had the right intentions, just like Alto was willing to kill Ranka for the sake of Frontier, she was willing to go out of her way to save Frontier as well. Kawamori didn't know what to do with her character, well now there is plenty of time to think about it, but that is still irrelevant to what we're talking about. Quote:
Careful now, your fanboyism is showing lol and before you say that I'm a fanboy too, I'm gonna admit that I am a fan of Ranka, but there is a difference between you and me and that's my willingness to understand both sides of the coins. Again, I'm not bashing or hating on Sheryl, but rationalizing your negative comments towards Ranka and expressing my interpretation of the love triangle. Please, if you're gonna respond to me then do so in a respectful manner because I'm not here to argue, I'm only being aggressive because everyone seems to attack people that have different opinions about the love triangle and are really being unfair about Ranka, it seems as though nobody wants to understand her situation and the difficulties there are under emotional stress. Everyone is not the same, that's what makes Ranka who she is and Sheryl who she is. Last edited by DeX-kun; 2008-12-11 at 04:24. |
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2008-12-11, 04:17 | Link #852 | |
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Yes Alto is pissed that Brera is always shooting at him but he also sees him as a rival, this is my opinion, whether you think this or not is up to you to decide but it's fine if you disagree. The story has to end somewhere and even if she did sing and stop the Vajra at the point in time, the story would just repeat itself, there has to be a twist somewhere and Kawamori decided it was time. Besides, she tried to help but it backfired because she was hurt at the moment and was emotionally unstable, it's not like she completely ignored the situation, you're really being unfair here. Ranka wanted to end the pointless war by having both sides co-exist instead of one race being completely wiped out. Do you remember only the parts that you want to remember? Because Ai-kun wasn't the whole reason she went, I just explained the reason why she went. I remember almost everything from the anime. See you have to understand the emotional state that she was in, the singing wasn't premeditated. They told her to sing when she had so much going on, I really doubt that other people would be able to sing right after everything she's gone through. Besides after seeing how the Vajra reacted when she tried singing "Aimo" I don't think she wanted to call back some more angry Vajra, I'm sorry Michel didn't get a song but I don't think he would have minded, unless he wanted more Vajra to kill. |
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And about your doubting "that other people would be able to sing right after everything she's gone through", Sheryl did just that. And continued to do just that, even after Ranka left. But, clearly, she is not merely other people.
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Who else was there to take her place? I really can't recall anyone standing up to take her place except Sheryl. She accepted everything that was thrown at her. Every single thing while juggling death and keeping her head up high. Quote:
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Correction right there. When Sheryl asked where was the next place, yes Alto jumped at her and brought her to a Zentradi farm not directly to Formo. Unless Alto is an ESP-er marauding as a pilot, I don't think he would've known that Michel and Ranka went to or for that matter were at Formo. Quote:
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Ok, i might as well say my opinion about Ranka.
I gotta admit, in the first episodes she was ok. I was not totally ZOMG!she is super mood about her but it was nice to see a girl chasing after her dreams and manages to achieve some great things. Now, after a point, that became kinda annoying. Meaning, she had a lot of screentime for "whut?" exactly? It was mostly singing {yes, i know Macross is a lot of singing, thank you} and "Alto-kun" lovesick-mode. It just, it was like spending violently lazy screentime about her, with no chara-progress. And epi 19, settled it for me. Not that she was an obstacle to my OTP of the series {this has nothing to do with the fact that i am Sheryl x Alto fan from the beginning} but whenever she saw AxS together, she had this knee-jerk reaction of Mary Sue and just because she saw this she gets depressed mode and does not want to sing? Are you kidding me? Thank God, Sheryl bitch-slapped her episode 20, someone needed to knock some sense in her. You got a gift and you can give a chance to people to survive? Then use it dammit. Suck it up and don;t be a drama queen. And now, this was always the reason i thought Sheryl was so much better than Ranka, she was ready to die and still had the urge to sing not only about herself but for the world as well. While Ranka, came up as a lovesick girl. You ask me, waste of screentime. Don't even gonna go about her after her "goodbye" and her embark on space-journey. Don't wanna add more fire here. |
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Clearly since Ranka was the intended winner that's how it's suppose to be, you just can't argue against that. Let's just ignore what actually happened and cling to what was going to happen. Actually lets pretend that Macross Frontier never even happened because Kawamori was going to make a 3d CGI Macross with Gonzo. Who cares that he made Zero and Frontier with Satelight, he intended to make one with Gonzo and that's what counts right? Intention not what actually happened?
Misa and Hikaru? who cares! Misa was suppose to be the Captain Global of the series not the love interest, Minmei wins because she was intended to win, I don't care what happened. Kira wasn't in Gundam SEED Destiny, he wasn't intended to be the main character at all, heck he wasn't even suppose to be alive because Flaskbackemall intended to kill him in episode 50 and Fllay was suppose to pilot Strike Rogue instead of Cagalli. And because I know ackem loves when I talk about basketball, my team the Miami Heat winning 06 means nothing because Pat Riley intended to draft Chris Kaman instead of Wade until he was talked out of it. Thank god these people are smart enough to change what they initially intended to do. It's nice to see that people like Hall of Famer Pat Riley and legendary anime creator Kawamori can be talked into seeing sense and aren't too egotistical to stick with what they wanted to do. Quote:
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Except later we found out the reason she sang was due to Alto, even if initially it was for the sake of the people and proving her existence. She basically narrowed that vision to one person, and when that person did not acknowledge her, she bolted. Quote:
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Berera presented a challenge to Alto's manhood at a basic level. This was a man who pretty much toyed with the entire SMS squadron, from hand-to-hand combat with Ozma to bruising Alto to completely whack Klan into a pulp only to suddenly becoming their alleged ally. Was it so difficult for you to articulate that Alto simply was unhappy with the arrangement? Moreover, Ranka was utterly uncomfortable with Berera by her side at the time, not to mention Alto knew little to nothing regarding their relationship. Therefore, to make a connection using this with jealousy,imo, is a bit of a stretch. Quote:
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