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2014-03-03, 15:45 | Link #4082 | |
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You really think what type of punch he threw really important at that point in the story? It doesn't matter anymore. Seiya put all of his cosmo, all of his power, all of his resolve (plus the aid of God Cloth & Athena) into that single fist of his to punch Apollo silly. Furthermore, one can argue that it's not a Pegasus Ryuuseiken anymore, but just a one mega-powerful punch by Seiya (you should watch how Kouga smacked Abzu silly with his bare hands again if you still not convinced).
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2014-03-03, 16:28 | Link #4084 | |
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Not only are you actively ignoring what Galaxian and I are saying als you are downplaying the hell out of Seiya's attack Apollo. Quote:
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2014-03-03, 16:36 | Link #4085 | ||
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Also, look at that scene. Apollo just casually raised his one hand while Seiya going all out. And Seiya's ultimate attack only resulted in a single tiny scratch in the post-credit scene. How's that not Apollo overpowering everyone? And me downplaying Seiya's attack? wat? It's the opposite. I think it's Seiya's most powerful attack he did there. The one downplaying Seiya's attack is Galaxian by basically saying "It's Ryuuseiken, so its still his weakest attack".
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2014-03-03, 17:07 | Link #4087 |
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Yeah, it’s pretty much a very unusual reaction of her being that scared of a god (probably other than her dad) and said it outright that her power is incomparable to Apollo. So Apollo must be a really impressive mofo to make Athena reacted that way.
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For starters, that is not a God Cloth. We never had an official word of what that Cloth was, but is clearly not a God Cloth. Second, it disappeared after Apollo was hit, so if anything, it was when Seiya's memories were being wipe out.
Also, Athena only reacts like that when Apollo first shows up, but before the movie ends she'ls already completely over it. So that's completely meaningless for this argument. Saying that RyuSeiKen is Seiya's strongest make me thing you never watched the original series and saw how SuiSeiKen and Rolling Crash came about. |
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Also, how can you be so sure without any doubt that Seiya's memory got wipe out the time when his cloth blown out? Quote:
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PS: I watched the old series in its entirety. So I know fully well about Seiya's attacks.
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@Obelisk Ze Tormentor If you knew "about the classic series in its entirety" then you'd be able to tell the difference between "a mega punch" and Seiya's Ryuseiken. |
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This is the God Cloth as seen in the flashback... And this is the one for the after-credit scene... They are clearly different Cloths. The God Cloth covers the body as much as a Gold Cloth, it has an all-white color scheme (in Overture online), and it has wings. The after-credit Cloth cover as about as much as regular Bronze Cloth, has a blue and white color scheme, and doesn't have any wings. And even if Elysuim had not been animated at that point, the manga had already existed for about 15 years. So people knew what a God Cloth looked like. Quote:
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And that's another thing, since when does a enemy "blows away" a Cloth, they always destroyed, but this one just fell apart. |
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Guys let me remind you some things from the original script that was supposed to be in the movie.
Seiya landed a punch on Apollo, that was a miracle, Apollo had to swallow his own words and let Seiya win the bet. However, he mindwiped all of them. However, everyone was unaffected and PRETENDED to be affected while they headed to meet since they were separated in order to fight the Olympics. |
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You guys Still fight mode Dont want to lose.
Sorry tell you Guys about erased memory officially not true. those said from wikipedia there no explanation from Seiya and saori memory got wipe out. they said just theory Seiya has been long been coma that why he said in ending he first time being here in place that mean he not notice it when in coma very long time with wheelchairs. they memory not has been erased said by wikipedia and you Ozuma you ignore me and hurt my feelings one thing only know answers is toei they the one make movie go ask them what really happen to seiya and saori. All isaw comment here about theory even wikipedia and original fans not sure what happen to seiya and saori at the end |
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2014-03-03, 22:34 | Link #4099 |
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Aw, but I made an account jsut for this discussion. It's actually pretty valid since the ending is so open and Toei is not helping.
Let me at least present my position giving the facts (sorry for being an ass nishikinomaki btu I think there are a few important points people were forgetting insofar) What we know about the series - cosmos is finite, there's a an exhaustive limit basically - cloths change to fit the form of the cosmos that inhabits them Looking at the scene, the explosion resulting from the attack didn't blast anyone off the map because it didn't keep going or ricochet, rather it was probably either fragmented and it them both (it wasn't absorbed). It stands to reason then that the two forces were in perfect opposition to one another that is Seiya + Athena = Apollo. So in that encounter, Apollo was just as strong as the two combined. But wait, cosmos is finite. If you run out, you draw on your macroosm star energy and if that runs out, you're fucked. Even the gods are subjected to this basic universal law. Seiya's been eating damage the entire movie. Even before that he was expending cosmos to keep himself alive under Hades' influence. Athena has been bleeding to keep the world safe from Artemis and Seiya caught up to her only a few hours before she would actually die. AKA they are both severely weakened. Plus, Seiya in Elysium, while he attained the power to hurt Hades, couldn't ultimately kill him. Athena dealt the final blow. So he's not quite on par with an Olympian God as of yet. But having his cloth evaporate off his body (something it didn't do even against Hades seems to indicate his cosmos has out stripped the divine blood that altered the cloth) On the other hand, Athena's deception indicated that she is not as strong as Artemis. Apollo's dismissal of his twin says that Artemis is weaker than he is. Also he's fresh for the fight, bust barely appearing. Going on the fragmented attack theory, Seiya's and Athena's strength combined, and the collective damage attained by all of them... I think Seiya's not quite on par with Apollo or Artemis yet. But he definitely holds the potential to be able to destroy them, and eventually, he probably will. He's sustained a shit ton of damage and still manages to (with a boost from Athena) deliver and attack that was equal in force (even if for a single instance) against a full fledged Olympian. I don't actually believe Apollo is noble enough not to eliminate a threat to his godhood, rather I think he wasted a crippling amount of cosmos on what is essentially a stalemate, and was probably forced to retreat. Had we gotten a sequel, it likely would have involved ascendance into the heavens where humanity finally breaks free from the influences of the gods (breaks free because at this point, however strong she is, Athena is basically outmatched by a factor of at least 10) |
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