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Old 2015-01-31, 16:18   Link #1
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KanColle - Historical references and History discussion

Welcome to the Historical references thread for Kancolle.

As you know, Kancolle makes a lot of references to what actually happened in the Pacific War during World War II. Therefore, it is very likely that some operations or characters are directly referring to these actual events from the past, which might not be obvious for some people.
In order not to clutter too much the other threads, please use this one for discussion related to these historical references.

However, please do not derail this thread to a dedicated thread about WWII or the Pacific War.
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Old 2015-02-04, 22:24   Link #2
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Well, getting things started: the multicolored smoke when the four Kongo sisters pose in Episode 4 is based off the dye marker they used for their shells IRL.
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Old 2015-02-05, 10:10   Link #3
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Interesting to note that the CA-class kanmusus are teachers/lecturers, coaches, instructors and staffs. I'm curious about their careers in their fields that made them fitting to be these.
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Old 2015-02-06, 03:19   Link #4
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during the kongo role call, Hiei, Haruna, and Kirishima were showing their assembly dockyards before their black ship selves.
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Old 2015-02-11, 16:00   Link #5
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Which is rather ironic, of Zuikaku, considering how that division no longer exists now
She replaces the 1CarDiv after AKKG got sunk at Midway.

And most of the 1CarDiv pilots dislike the 5CarDiv pilots since the latter are mostly greenhorns.

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Does Kitagami not like destroyers for some reason? And moreover why >>
In the game her secretary line grumbles about destroyers.

IRL? We'll have to ask our resident historian here.

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Ashigara down there crying was quite cute, haha. In any case, in my opinion all Myōkos have a fantastic figure and legs.
Well their K2 art is all about the disco/bar. They are the adults of Kancolle, in contrast with the 6DD which are the Kancolle lolis.
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Old 2015-02-11, 16:07   Link #6
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She replaces the 1CarDiv after AKKG got sunk at Midway.

And most of the 1CarDiv pilots dislike the 5CarDiv pilots since the latter are mostly
I was referring to the admiral having dissolved CarDiv 1 and CarDiv 5 in EP 5.
Technically, and practically too, there are no CharDiv 1 and 5 anymore.

Escept of course this and next episode just tell the story from other ships perspective and are not in the right chronological order. (Would still be btter than the chronological order they pulled at Haruhi...)
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Old 2015-02-11, 16:21   Link #7
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I was referring to the admiral having dissolved CarDiv 1 and CarDiv 5 in EP 5.
Technically, and practically too, there are no CharDiv 1 and 5 anymore.
CarDiv1 / 5 (like DesDiv6) are tied to the kanmusus themselves, rather than being solely an organisational unit like Torpedo Squadron 3.
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Old 2015-02-11, 16:26   Link #8
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I was referring to the admiral having dissolved CarDiv 1 and CarDiv 5 in EP 5.
Technically, and practically too, there are no CharDiv 1 and 5 anymore.

Escept of course this and next episode just tell the story from other ships perspective and are not in the right chronological order. (Would still be btter than the chronological order they pulled at Haruhi...)
I used the CarDiv's as a reference to the original layout in the IJN.

There is alot of factionalism back in the Japanese forces back then when they rolled around the world. The IJA Malayan Command had lots of problems with HQ (some sort of rivalry between the Tojo ball-carriers and his detractors), and they weren't receptive of the IJN, which sat there and do pretty much nothing until Yamashita took over Singapore (the poor guy got sidelined by Tojo and was sent back to Manchuko).

It was until the Americans hammered them in Midway/Guadalcanal and started the Solomon campaign did they start having some sort coordination between the IJN and the 25th Army, under the Southern Expeditionary Army's Tokyo Express.
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Old 2015-02-11, 16:30   Link #9
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No reason for Kitakami to dislike destroyers in particular. She was designed as a light cruiser to lead destroyer squadrons. I was thinking it was a collision, but that was with the light cruiser Abukuma. maybe her duty changes when she was converted to a torpedo cruiser. but that would just make her lead of a night attack squadron for torpedo runs.
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What's the ship lore of these 4 loli ship foursome group?
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What's the ship lore of these 4 loli ship foursome group?
The Akatsuki class of ships was the last of the Fubuki superclass constructed, and the only one to feature a member that, along with Yukikaze/Tan Yang, survived well into the Cold War before being scrapped -- Hibiki, who became Verniy (as a spoil of war given to the Soviet Union), then Decembrist.
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^ then scrapped as she was used for target practice.
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Though that was in the 60s or 1970, around the time Yukikaze ended her career with Taiwan.
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What's the ship lore of these 4 loli ship foursome group?
Inazuma and Ikazuchi are famous for helping the survivors of the US Ships they destroyed during the battle in Java Sea around March 1942. Hence they were designed as the pure little kids.
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Inazuma and Ikazuchi are famous for helping the survivors of the US Ships they destroyed during the battle in Java Sea around March 1942. Hence they were designed as the pure little kids.
There's a heartwarming doujin based on this: Kantai Collection - Things Which the Girl Saw

Imho one can't talk about Ikazuchi's humanitarian act after the Second Battle of the Java Sea without mentioning her then captain, lieutenant commander Kudou Shunsaku.

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The man that would probably be like a father to the DesDiv 6 girls was blessed with a strong physique and had a dan in Judo. His warm and broad-minded character led to the nickname "Buddha Kudou" (工藤大佛). Influenced by Suzuki Kantarou who was principal during his Academy years, Kudou strictly prohibited the "law of the fist" under his command (which is rare in the oppressive Japanese military environment) and got along well with his men (ships where he was CO were said to have a comfortable feel). He was also a decisive leader and didn't sweat the minor issues, which earned the trust of his men. After the war, he never attended any of the IJN old boy gatherings but would instead pray before the Buddha every morning for the friends and subordinates that had died in battle.

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Interesting to note that the CA-class kanmusus are teachers/lecturers, coaches, instructors and staffs. I'm curious about their careers in their fields that made them fitting to be these.
All CAs in the Japanese navy function as detached fleet command ships which may lead torpedo squadrons, or they function in cruiser squadrons. As 'warships', they are held in way higher esteem than just inventory of the navy which destroyers were classified as.
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The Battle of Savo Island (probably the largest single loss for the US Navy in the war) the Japanese had a line of five heavy cruisers, one of the 10 guns cruisers (Takao-class Chokai) leading the four 6 guns cruisers of the Furutaka and Aoba classes. These five heavy cruisers were leading two light cruisers (the at that time old Tenryuu, and the newer, slightly more advanced, Yuubari) and one destroyer, Yunagi, an old Kamikaze-class, older than the Mutsuki-class. (Yunagi's sistership Hayate has the distinction of being the first Japanese ship sunk in the war..before Kisaragi.)

These ships sank three American heavy cruisers and damaged an Australian heavy cruiser enough that it was scuttled several hours later. Two American destroyers were also damaged. Only three of the Japanese cruisers were damaged. Kako was sunk later by submarine on the way home.
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Old 2015-02-20, 11:01   Link #18
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Disclaimer: This post contains findings from Japanese sources. As my grasp on the Japanese language is hardly assuring, chances are that I may have gotten something wrong in the process. Corrections if any will be greatly appreciated =3

I was browsing wiki for the 4th Fleet Incident and came across Fujimoto Kikuo, who was the IJN's main naval architect together with his senior, Hiraga Yuzuru.

Spoiler for TL:DR? =3:


If Yuubari and the Furutaka, Aoba, Myoukou, Sendai and Yamato sisters, all of whom were designed by Hiraga, can be considered to be his daughters, then Hatsuharu-class as well as the Mogami and Takao sisters would be Fujimoto's. In fact, some feel that Fujimoto should be credited for Yuubari instead, claiming that he was the real architect behind her creation =3


Btw, just in case you're wondering why the sudden interest in the 4th Fleet Incident, that's because of today's Fubuki Ganbarimasu (chapter 74) =3

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Wikipedia:

On Fujimoto Kikuo: JP entry, CN entry

On Hiraga Yuzuru: JP entry

Baidu (CN):

藤本喜久雄 (Fujimoto Kikuo)
平贺让 (Hiraga Yuzuru)
二战霓虹海军的急先锋..... (an article of the history of the IJN heavy cruisers)

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Last edited by Estavali; 2015-02-21 at 03:23. Reason: Welding was most likely used to keep the ships light and not so much as to churn them out quickly.
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So Yuubari's little armor and top heavy was Fujomoto's idea? (was surprised at the lack of seaplanes for the light cruiser....)
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So Yuubari's little armor and top heavy was Fujomoto's idea? (was surprised at the lack of seaplanes for the light cruiser....)
That's if we can take the word of those who support that claim =3. In any case, I doubt Yuubari was meant to be anything but a sandbox for those two to play with. They probably just implemented everything that came to mind, like pot luck
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