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Old 2015-03-25, 14:09   Link #21
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Frankly, there is no need for more characters, although I agree they should make some rotation.
What they really have to do:
-Actually give more thoughts to the scenario and directing
-work more on the pacing issues
-less "game gimmicks", particularly the catch phrases which are often too intrusive. This episode took the cake, more than Hibiki in the previous episodes.
Want to add this point:

- Quality control (teleports vanishing ships and so on)
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Old 2015-03-25, 14:14   Link #22
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@Kakurin-san

I said idolmaster because it's a successful multimedia franchise based on a a game which is makes this series so similar and also about the lots of characters and the ship/idol relationship with their Admiral/Producer.
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Old 2015-03-25, 14:22   Link #23
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Might it be the general overuse in game of the torpedo cruisers for victory that caused them to be in every episode?
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Old 2015-03-25, 14:49   Link #24
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@Kakurin-san

I said idolmaster because it's a successful multimedia franchise based on a a game which is makes this series so similar and also about the lots of characters and the ship/idol relationship with their Admiral/Producer.
You can't expect them to use the same formula as idolmaster. It is actually nonsensical considering Idolmaster (and Love Live) are very successful thanks to its genre, involving idols which is the reason why they can afford doing lives with the seiyuu who aren't idols to begin with.

You can't just toss girls doing "cute stuff" with Kancolle because it just doesn't have such appeal.

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Might it be the general overuse in game of the torpedo cruisers for victory that caused them to be in every episode?
I really doubt that. Really, the vast majority of KTKM and Ooi screentime is their yuri antics and VERY rarely their battle prowess. This is why it is so tiring to see them every damn episode after the second-third time.
Unlike the Akatsuki DD, the torpedo cruisers are basically in their own little world with little to no interaction with the rest.
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Old 2015-03-25, 15:03   Link #25
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It seems you interpreted my post in a very off way. Even more when I'm one of those anti cg-d-ct( adding the Fubuki's Akagi wanking and Ooi's sheer stupidity).
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Old 2015-03-25, 15:06   Link #26
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And what was the meaning of your post? Frankly, mentioning Idolmaster is quite off if you ask me.
I'm not surprised people would prefer a full season similar to episode 6, but that would be quite detrimental considering the franchise itself is more than just cute ships doing cute stuff. Likewise, going all drama/grimdark would be ridiculous as well. The key is to find a balance there, which was obviously not succeeded in the anime starting the second half.
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Old 2015-03-25, 15:20   Link #27
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I can see the reason why they don't have admiral is simply because the want to have better girl on girl dynamic. Adding admiral probably going to make that relationship complicated.

But I agree that they can learn 1 - 2 thing from Cinderella girl. Like try to focus on group of popular girl instead trying to shoehorn as much girl as they can.
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Old 2015-03-25, 15:43   Link #28
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I don't think it's confirmed yet as a TV series, although may likely. I have mixed thoughts on the show tbh overall so not sure how I feel the franchise getting a sequel.
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Old 2015-03-25, 16:10   Link #29
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I like the idea of more to the anime although I hope they improve in some of the problems I see with first season:

*Focus on a smaller cast and/or have more episodes if they want a bigger cast.
*Have a more serious tone, at least in the part that is supposed to be so, like the battles.
*Less fanservice for the gamers and more establishing their own story, explaining things about the universe for example.
*Either have the admiral be an actual characters or take him out.

This last point can be problematic as it would be strange if they had him appear out of nowhere, but then the next animation could happen in a different base where some of the girls from season 1 got transferred to (in case they don't want to focus on completely new characters).

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I can see the reason why they don't have admiral is simply because the want to have better girl on girl dynamic. Adding admiral probably going to make that relationship complicated.
In that case, rather than having an admiral, they could have Nagato to be the commander instead (which for the anime watchers she actually was for a good part of the season). But having the admiral being off screen but with Kongou and other girls talking about him often, the last few episodes strategy being all about his plans, it just don't work, in my opinion.
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Old 2015-03-25, 16:24   Link #30
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I would assume the sequel would be a tie-in for the next KanColle game coming out later this year.
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Old 2015-03-25, 17:00   Link #31
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Bring back the Teitoku, he got his internet connection back up, reaped the event awards. I demand we see his face! and voiced by a good seiyuu like Jouji Nakata!

Actually, bring in multiple Teitokus, for different naval bases.

Here's my requirements

1. voiced by Akira Ishida for troll Teitoku
2. Jouji is serious, badass teitoku
3. Female ummm...I'll leave it to you.
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Old 2015-03-25, 17:23   Link #32
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Bring back the Teitoku, he got his internet connection back up, reaped the event awards. I demand we see his face! and voiced by a good seiyuu like Jouji Nakata!

Actually, bring in multiple Teitokus, for different naval bases.

Here's my requirements

1. voiced by Akira Ishida for troll Teitoku
2. Jouji is serious, badass teitoku
3. Female ummm...I'll leave it to you.
My vote goes to Norio Wakamoto.
Because after trolling us with the TTK''s half existance, TTK should better have a huge presence after surviving that boot bomb to the head, if he ever apppeares.
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Old 2015-03-25, 17:28   Link #33
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My vote goes to Norio Wakamoto.
Because after trolling us with the TTK''s half existance, TTK should better have a huge presence after surviving that boot bomb to the head, if he ever apppeares.
Nope, Norio is grand Admiral, he commands the others.
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Old 2015-03-25, 17:35   Link #34
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The sensible thing to do would be to abandon this total train wreck a la Xenoglossia, pretend it never exists, and adapt the official 4 koma into anime. But then they aren't known to be sensible.

Oh and remind me what/who Xenoglossia and Kancolle anime have in common.
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Old 2015-03-25, 17:42   Link #35
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The sensible thing to do would be to abandon this total train wreck a la Xenoglossia, pretend it never exists, and adapt the official 4 koma into anime. But then they aren't known to be sensible.

Oh and remind me what/who Xenoglossia and Kancolle anime have in common.
I kind of liked the idols as being mechas though.
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Old 2015-03-25, 18:07   Link #36
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I kind of liked the idols as being mechas though.
Idols operating mechas, by itself, is fine. Everyone rejoiced to see the Arcadia segment in IM@S ep.15. The problem with Xenoglossia, at least from my PoV, is the scriptwriter saw it fit to put characters with pre-established backgrounds into an entirely different role and world, with little resemblance beyond names and visuals, which created extremely strong dissonance in viewers' mind. Which brings me back to Kancolle anime. We got characters that suffered from flanderization. Mechanics got twisted. They insert drama for drama sake. Other than characters and the use of some proper nouns, Kancolle anime bears no resemblance to Kancolle the game that I play.
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Old 2015-03-25, 18:09   Link #37
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Idols operating mechas, by itself, is fine. Everyone rejoiced to see the Arcadia segment in IM@S ep.15. The problem with Xenoglossia, at least from my PoV, is the scriptwriter saw it fit to put characters with pre-established backgrounds into an entirely different role and world, with little resemblance beyond names and visuals, which created extremely strong dissonance in viewers' mind. Which brings me back to Kancolle anime. We got characters that suffered from flanderization. Mechanics got twisted. They insert drama for drama sake. Other than characters and the use of some proper nouns, Kancolle anime bears no resemblance to Kancolle the game that I play.
And thats why we needed the Teitoku.
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Old 2015-03-25, 18:12   Link #38
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Second season?
Please just make a 3 minute anime based on Fubuki Ganbarimasu manga instead...
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Old 2015-03-25, 18:19   Link #39
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Idols operating mechas, by itself, is fine. Everyone rejoiced to see the Arcadia segment in IM@S ep.15. The problem with Xenoglossia, at least from my PoV, is the scriptwriter saw it fit to put characters with pre-established backgrounds into an entirely different role and world, with little resemblance beyond names and visuals, which created extremely strong dissonance in viewers' mind. Which brings me back to Kancolle anime. We got characters that suffered from flanderization. Mechanics got twisted. They insert drama for drama sake. Other than characters and the use of some proper nouns, Kancolle anime bears no resemblance to Kancolle the game that I play.
Did you really wanted the anime to resemble the gameplay of the game more than it did? They trying to do that was a negative point for me. I see that as the reasoning behind bad choices like the Teitoku being there but not appearing.
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Old 2015-03-25, 18:27   Link #40
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And thats why we needed the Teitoku.
We need a scriptwriter who actually played the game and not too creative by half. I don't want you to rub your original storyline in my face every 30 seconds, especially when your plot is neither novel nor good. I'll go so far as to say Kancolle anime doesn't need a plot. The scriptwriters need to stop pretending that they got a serious story to tell, because it is very obvious by now that they are incapable of pulling it off. The show would benefit immensely if the Kisaragi siniking plot were dropped entirely.

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Did you really wanted the anime to resemble the gameplay of the game more than it did? They trying to do that was a negative point for me. I see that as the reasoning behind bad choices like the Teitoku being there but not appearing.
My point is less about literal resemblance eg a faceless figure sitting behind a desk, and more about resemblance of the logic within the game. I don't want to see a Teitoku that sits there and do nothing. Imagine youself as a Teitoku inside the game. You will be there to oversee equipment development, and the result depends on the recipe you use; you will be there to welcome your fleets home, then resupply and repair them; you are fully responsible for any ship lost, or put it in the other way, you are fully capable of making sure not a single ship sinks. What you do ingame decides what you get out of it. Compare that with what we see in the anime. His existence and disappearance doesn't matter at all. His action, if there's any, doesn't affect outcome in the same way your action would affect the outcome in game. That's what I mean by dissonance: the character they want to me to invest in and immerse in, doesn't to things that I would have done, nor produced the results that I would expect.

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