F/SN UBW TV - Episode 13 Spoiler Discussion / Poll

[MrTerrorist]

Great episode! It's good to watch FSN UBW again.
Love the Shiro x Rin moment.

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by DOmus

Beign a Rinfag is so wonderful, love everything about her in this chapter, and props to Shirou for confessing. What Archer did was really shitty but its almost 100% that there is a reason behind it.
Its not Unlimited budget work for nothing, awesome.
The opening was really good, not so sure about the ending, but its was good nonetheless.

Well yeah, he needed to break the binds Rin force on him when she used 2 of her command seals to restrict his movements. He needed to be free from her control to achieve his objective.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Originally Posted by DOmus

Beign a Rinfag is so wonderful, love everything about her in this chapter, and props to Shirou for confessing. What Archer did was really shitty but its almost 100% that there is a reason behind it.
Its not Unlimited budget work for nothing, awesome.
The opening was really good, not so sure about the ending, but its was good nonetheless.

Archer might have his reasons; but for some reason, he's becoming more hypocritical (to me) for some reason.

[monster]

Originally Posted by ShadowSamurai365

Archer might have his reasons; but for some reason, he's becoming more hypocritical (to me) for some reason.

If you're not sure, then all you need to ask yourself is whether you've seen him doing something that he tells and wants others not to do in a similar situation or not doing something that he tells and wants others to do in a similar situation. If the answer is yes, then you know that he is being hypocritical. Otherwise, he might be a liar or something else, but probably not a hypocrite.

[Rev Okkin]

I had to upmost misfortune of dealing with people calling Saber "before strong character now fap material" and Medea OOC...

Medea was wellknown for sending a coronet and a DRESS to the wife of Jason after he betrayed her. In other words, she was simply reenacting her power play oh so long ago unto Saber, wanting to break her resolve just as she broke Jason's.
Plus a strong character =/= no flaws. A strong character has to have likable traits such as courage and whatnot but parts of their persona that can be exploited so later in the narrative, have them overcome it. Saber has lived her life an ideal rather than a person. So being humiliated in a dress, made unable to help Shirou or anyone, being made to succumb to Caster's will all piles up into her flaw in her persona. She has no way in dealing with it so the best she can do is simply hold on to her will.

Rant over.

[Ernietheracefan]

Kirei is in hiding, eating mapo tofu..

[Levani]

Originally Posted by Rev Okkin

I had to upmost misfortune of dealing with people calling Saber "before strong character now fap material" and Medea OOC...

Medea was wellknown for sending a coronet and a DRESS to the wife of Jason after he betrayed her. In other words, she was simply reenacting her power play oh so long ago unto Saber, wanting to break her resolve just as she broke Jason's.
Plus a strong character =/= no flaws. A strong character has to have likable traits such as courage and whatnot but parts of their persona that can be exploited so later in the narrative, have them overcome it. Saber has lived her life an ideal rather than a person. So being humiliated in a dress, made unable to help Shirou or anyone, being made to succumb to Caster's will all piles up into her flaw in her persona. She has no way in dealing with it so the best she can do is simply hold on to her will.

Rant over.

Haha, what a big pile of crap.

Don't get near Reddit and MAL FSN threads, people there are elitists beyond elitists and generally unpleasant. Mostly with BS like the one you just wrote.

[Rev Okkin]

Funny thing was I pooled them from the Crunchyroll forums.

Also include Neogaf on that front. They present their hate with seemingly clever analysis but most of it are resolvable in any case.

[Levani]

Internet is generally more negative than positive, this isn't exclusive to Fate. Every fandom sucks, I guarantee you that.

Even Japanese people are whining over the most simplist things. I checked it out yesterday and dear god, I wish I hadn't. I had assumed that they were better than the western side but they're equally bad.

[Dengar]

Exactly what is disempowering about a woman who is resisting an irresistable spell?

[Levani]

It should actually be telling us how strong Saber is physically and mentally to be able to withstand a command spell.

People generally think that just because they were incompetent at understanding a certain plot point, it's a fictional flaw and the story's fault.

Not everything should be spoon-fed to us. Imagine if a conversation like this was written in :

Caster : Oh Saber, *exposition why command spell is strong
Saber : Kyasta, *talking about honor and not giving in
Caster : *more exposition

That's a VN territory and something like that can't possibly work in an anime medium. Otherwise we'd have people complaining about "too much talking, not enough action".

[Rogue66]

Fist episode was great, love the op and everything else in episode.

[Ernietheracefan]

Looks like Shiro, Tokiomi, and Kirei are the only guy who can make Rin crying.
PS: Rin is extremely moe in this episode

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Levani

It should actually be telling us how strong Saber is physically and mentally to be able to withstand a command spell.

People generally think that just because they were incompetent at understanding a certain plot point, it's a fictional flaw and the story's fault.

True definition of "plot hole":
"An occurence or development in the story that does not make sense when taken in the context of past and future story events and story setting."

Internet definition of "plot hole":
"An occurence or development in the story that does not make sense 'to me'."

[Levani]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

True definition of "plot hole":
"An occurence or development in the story that does not make sense when taken in the context of past and future story events and story setting."

Internet definition of "plot hole":
"An occurence or development in the story that does not make sense 'to me'."

Yup, you hit the nail with this post.

The amount of times I have to correct what a "plot hole" means to people on the Net is way too high.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Levani

Yup, you hit the nail with this post.

The amount of times I have to correct what a "plot hole" means to people on the Net is way too high.

Just one of many words that applies to though. The same also applies to: "self-insert", "wish-fulfillment", "Mary Sue/Gary Stu", "asspull", "Dues Ex Machina", "edgy", "dark", "mature", "bland", "generic" and probably quite some more buzzwords.

[iBeast]

What does Rin see in Shirou? Why is she attracted to him?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by iBeast

What does Rin see in Shirou? Why is she attracted to him?

He can cook. Guys who can cook get the girls .

[Levani]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

Just one of many words that applies to though. The same also applies to: "self-insert", "wish-fulfillment", "Mary Sue/Gary Stu", "asspull", "Dues Ex Machina", "edgy", "dark", "mature", "bland", "generic" and probably quite some more buzzwords.

Don't forget "pacing issues". You just have to yell that out without explaining what you mean by it and you're a 1st rate Internet critic.

Every person defines this "pacing issues" differently, lol.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by iBeast

What does Rin see in Shirou? Why is she attracted to him?

That should get revealed in the Heaven's Feel movie(s). At least the moment she fell in love with him.