2012-09-15, 06:15 | Link #461 |
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So Obama is criticized for "apologizing" for the attacks...but when Romney does the same thing, it's okay.
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2012-09-15, 06:21 | Link #462 |
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Well you see he's now pandering to a different group. The issue is when the groups notice that he said one thing but immediately said another when the other was, hopefully, not paying attention. the least he could do is apologize for what he said earlier since he has changed his stance on an issue yet again.
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2012-09-15, 06:21 | Link #463 | |
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This is because the destructive Republican policies means that even if they beat Obama, they would have inherited the mess they created in trying to kick him out.
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2012-09-15, 09:47 | Link #464 | |
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I mean it is not like Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate on Jan. 3, 2007, Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee, and the meltdown that happened 15 months later was part of banking and financial services. Heck for how much jobs seems to be a huge selling point for Obama what about after the Bush administration tax cuts, there were 52 months of continuous job creation, which is the largest such period in american history. We can point fingers all we want, but this recession has been a long time coming even before Bush and Obama, through policies by both parties going back to even Jimmy Carter. Bush and the current Obama presidency are basically responsible for continuing it beyond anything reasonable. What it comes down to is: the current President will blame the last unfriendly administration for current economic problems. The current President will also take credit for everything good that happens on his watch. When it's election time, the candidates will say how much better things will be on their watch, and that the current President is playing the "blame game" by shifting the blame for everything bad onto the previous administration. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
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2012-09-15, 10:08 | Link #465 | |
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I am saying GOP had being doing their best to make things worse. But because of that all of their traditional candidates refused to participate in this year's election. Please, I am no Dem apologist. But from the outside I can clearly see the GOP is currently not in any position to govern. Maybe when the GOP start taking their "fiscal conservative" platform seriously, I would give them a second glance. There is no reason to give the Republicans the time of day when they don't even follow their own political platform.
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2012-09-15, 23:57 | Link #466 | |
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For anyone who realizes what the GOP has become, it isn't a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils this November. It is a no-brainer who should be president come this November. Like VCV says, the GOP just shouldn't govern the country at this point. How can people want them in power when they first crashed the country, and then, they continue to thrash the country for about four years so that they can attempt to get back into power in 2012? How do so many Americans not see how fucking crazy and unethical that is (the italicized part)?
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2012-09-16, 00:06 | Link #467 | |
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Either way I still find myself cringing at both candidates and as I said before feels like I have to pick the lesser of two evils, which would be Obama (as much as I hate to admit). Yes the GOP has become by far the worst of the two sides, but I really don't care for the Democrat side either. Honestly I'll probably just end up voting for a third party candidate since I feel better about half of them compared to the main two. I just can't feel good about voting for either Romney or Obama.
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2012-09-16, 00:14 | Link #468 | |
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2012-09-16, 00:16 | Link #469 | |
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As PBS Newshour pointed out, Romney's weaknesses means that Obama couldn't be judged properly.
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2012-09-16, 00:30 | Link #471 | |
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That said, I cannot and will not vote for Rominey. He is no different than Obama, I don't care what the Obamanoids try to claim, Obama and Rominey have very similar outlooks on foreign, economic, and domestic policies. Rominey is talking like a conservative now, but he didn't govern that way in Mass. He's a left-wing Republican of the corporatist wing of the GOP. I've chosen to vote for Garry Johnson, not saying you should vote for him, but at least give his website a look-see. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front As for blame, both the Dems and the Republicans voted FOR the invasion of Iraq, and the war in Afghanistan, and expanding government power far beyond what the constitution allows. They can point fingers at each other all they want, but BOTH parties are responsible and voting for either of them is voting for the military industrial complex's continued take over of the United States. That's something I simply will not vote for.
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2012-09-16, 00:40 | Link #472 | |
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I've been typing a lot for multiple responses tonight, and I'm reminded of something I already know, but on so many issues that are up for debate, there is just so much complexity and depth to them, and the root of issues are so often not focused and concise, but rather large in number and spread out.
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2012-09-16, 00:50 | Link #473 | |
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2012-09-16, 14:29 | Link #474 |
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Mitt Romney’s confession
By Editorial Board, Published http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...4e1_print.html
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2012-09-16, 19:51 | Link #475 | |
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It's not just about placing blame; it's frightening to think that Obama might not have anything to do with these events. It's scary because it means that whoever replaces Obama will be powerless over them, as well. As people who vote these people into power, that makes us powerless, as well. Thanks to the conveniences of technology and scientific advancement, people have become used to the idea that we're able to control almost everything in the world. It's terribly unnerving to realize that there are still many things that we can't do anything about.
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2012-09-16, 19:55 | Link #476 |
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^I honestly don't care who is President for a great many issues currently at hand (Congress can help prevent a President's bad decisions...most of the time), but I will vote for Obama purely because the President's veto power is still great and I do not trust any Republican or Conservative candidate to replace Supreme Court Justices.
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2012-09-16, 20:02 | Link #477 | |
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The Confederacy decided to break away because Lincoln was elected President. They didn't even wait for him to get into office. They believed he would end their institution of slavery against their rights as State governements to hold that sort of power. In truth, Lincoln said that he would be anything to perserve the Union. If that meant freeing all the slaves, he would do it, but if that meant freeing none of the slaves, or even some slaves would go free while others remained slaves...he would do that too. Anything to keep the country whole. They didn't even give him the chance to make that choice.
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2012-09-16, 20:26 | Link #479 | |
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I'm not trying to say that the president has no power or influence over society. When it comes to social issues, such as abortion and "gay marriage," the person in power is certainly important. But what about the things that people like to blame the president for? Gas prices, unemployment, attacks from foreign nationals... the president really has little direct power over these things. Again, he (or she) is not powerless, but it's pure fantasy to think that we could replace Obama with someone else and that America would immediately experience a golden age of prosperity and gas at even $2 per gallon.
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2012-09-17, 02:49 | Link #480 | |
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I'm sure for a lot of people, the mentality is "Replace the black man and everything will be better automatically".
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