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2013-10-13, 13:57 | Link #65 | |
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"aren't we having fun my former sensei and teammate? thanks for forgetting about those times i tried to kill you, destroy the village, torture innocents, kidnap villagers, and just overall acted like an evil double-crossing pedophile. that's all forgiven based on the last 15 minutes right?" |
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2013-10-14, 10:04 | Link #69 | |
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Sandaime is quite skeptical of orochimaru i think. he has asked roughly three times what his intentions are...obito is a pretty real threat right now; big enough to squash all kinds of differences at this point. so for now, a temp alliance with oro makes some sense at least to me. besides, IT has prolly already started anyways with Kakashi being the only one unaffected right now...
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2013-10-14, 11:58 | Link #70 |
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IT hasn't started yet. The flower hasn't bloomed.
Orochimaru is following Sasuke and doesn't really have an agenda of his own. He said he is just following which way the wind is blowing with Sasuke. Now you can argue that ruins the devious Orochimaru character, but he shouldn't even have been brought back in the first place. When Sasuke betrays everyone, Orochimaru will then have a reason to do something. |
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1, The only reason for Sasuke not killing masses is that Kishi wants his hands clean when the time comes for him to join Naruto in the big "happy ending". So that's plot a shield. 2, You don't know what person the young Orochi (around the age of current Sasuke) was, how slowly or fast he descended into the 100% evil state. What we know is that Jiraiya tried to "save" him and failed. But of course i remember one point: when Nagato and his friends tired to get food, at that time Orochi was already completely disillusioned with the ninja world, he suggested to kill the children to avoid all the suffering they would endure living their miserable life. However i had the impression that Orochi at that time was not yet a mass murderer, he was just beginning to think that way. And he was already older than Sasuke. Quote:
So who knows, maybe there is still something very special that the story will tell us. I would at least expect an explanation telling us that either Naruto is special or that the Kyuubi is special among the 9. But you could think of the Uzumaki story being told and connected to the story of sage mode through the Sage of 6 paths. As i mentioned above there are hints that Naruto can be connected to the Sage through his Uzumaki heritage. But we also see how sage mode is the only thing that can be used against Tobito, we know now that natural energy is what also powers the 10-tails, and the 10-tails was sealed inside the Sage just like now it's sealed inside Tobito. I think this will happen after a timeskip when we learn she has learned Sage mode in the slug forest, except that she will tell to Naruto and Sasuke to stop their stupid quarreling or she will beat them to death Quote:
So looking at all this i don't see why Jiraiya being summoned would stand out. I mean just look at how lame it was that the fastest guy on the battlefield was conveniently caught by a tree (how the fuck can a tree be grow faster than Naruto's speed...) just so that "grandpa" Sarutobi could save him and they could have a "happy family" moment. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-10-14 at 13:49. |
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2013-10-14, 13:31 | Link #74 | |
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I have to say I don't think Oro has really changed as much as some people suspect. Rather, he seems to be taking a relatively passive role and is simply observing whats transpiring; and he'd be a fool not to lend a hand in stopping Obito's plans. His goal has mostly been about obtaining great knowledge, wisdom, and power and I see no real evidence that this has changed. He is smart enough to know that he isn't powerful enough to make any major moves towards that end at this point, but that doesn't mean he has nothing up his sleeve. As for trusting him, there are some skeptical people (i.e. the slug, the 3rd), but there is a major fight going on, and I guess people are simply accepting help where they can get it. It doesn't mean they're friends, it just means they'll cooperate for to save the world. |
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2013-10-14, 14:58 | Link #75 |
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Really, I think Orochimaru has what Tropers call "Blue and Orange Morality".
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2013-10-14, 15:48 | Link #76 |
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true. and i didnt mean for that sound like i was speaking with absolute certainty. the likelihood of IT being active now is closer to zero however...
there is a point in the story where it could have been initiated. i mean, tobi stole the barrel with the nine tails chakra from the battlefield in 537. aside from the fact we see like a million shots of the full moon for the next few chapters, there arent any obvious hints anything has happened. but i do wonder why go through the trouble of engaging the enemy when he had what he needed. unless its like kakashi says and he just wants to push naruto to see if makes a different decision or stays the course. of course im just toying with speculation, but there really was no reason for him to engage naruto
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i still think him saving the kages is bs though. since madara could beat all 5 at once then why resurrect them? the only 'good' answer is for inspiration to the army which is not how orochimaru operates. so even if it somehow pans out to be all part of an elaborate scheme of his i still dont like that part because his character doesn't or shouldn't think that way. he doesn't think about inspiring people. he thinks about manipulating, forcing and controlling people. the other reason would be for sympathy or old friendship ties to tsunade which is even worse bs than the first reason |
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2013-10-16, 01:21 | Link #79 |
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As far as I know there is a new chapter this week, so here's the new thread. Please move all relevant discussion to the new thread.
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