2008-07-15, 17:05 | Link #841 | ||
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I don't remember if I had a point regarding the kiss, but I'll bite. I think I more or less agree with OD on this one, teasing him about it (thus joining the chorus of people who don't take Alto seriously) wasn't a smooth move. It's just straddling the fine line between pulling Alto closer, scaring him off, and pushing him away. But it goes back to stuff I was saying in the Alto thread, if she wants him to take her seriously, he needs to believe it's not going to be his family all over again. As far as it being an unspoken question, though, I think she was asking it to herself as much (if not moreso) as she was asking it to Alto. Quote:
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2008-07-15, 17:30 | Link #842 | |
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To actually care for someone is probably going to be a new experience, I am interested to see how she will deal with it. Otherwise, she had dealt with everything in the past more or less alone. - Tak
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2008-07-15, 19:19 | Link #843 | ||||
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Anything that is subject to her willpower, that is. She can't defy gravity, make herself immune to poison, or leap tall buildings in a single bound.
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Right now, Alto's main focus is on developing his piloting skills and his career. He just doesn't want to be burdened with other issues. So if Sheryl presses the question before he's ready, then he'll feel pressured into making a choice about their relationship. But the problem is that she'll never know without first asking. So it's a tricky issue to begin with. Unfortunately, the best approach is to just throw yourself in fully and see what happens. It's not an easy thing for anyone to do. Quote:
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Sheryl's situation regarding her family, for example, is not an issue of victory or defeat. It's painful, and she's openly willing to accept as much; there's no weakness in that. Her strength lies in the fact that she's adapted to her circumstances and found success in spite of them. Sheryl's main weakness is that she just doesn't know when to cut and run. Basically, she's the type to use up all of her items on a hopeless boss fight. But while such behaviour makes more prudent minded individuals sigh in despair, there's also something incredibly endearing about her gutsiness. We never know what's possible and what isn't without people who are willing to try to push past those limits. It only seems that way because nobody usually tries. But those who do are an inspiration to everyone around them. Unless you're in a sentai show, of course. In that case, combine your powers to win! Either way, Sheryl is a bit too impatient to sit around waiting to be rescued from her inner demons. |
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Realistically, everyone has got their insecurities and coping mechanisms, but the farther they take you the harder they are to let go of. And, I love the adaptability, but I question the foundation; she’s literally to a point where she just can’t be “Sheryl Nome” and succeed. Quote:
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As the lone MichaelXSheryl shipper (thanks tho, to crisis, and my handful of other MXS side story supporters) but when you think about it… a. Michael’s really the only one who’s even considered (probably the only one who understands) what Sheryl’s feelings are. b. Michael welcomed her into the flying program, and into their flying group (and, of course, this did not make Alto happy) c. He basically tried to spell things out for Alto… albeit with limited success d. He kisses her ass left, right, and sideways. Backhanded compliments are even better. So when you think about it, Ranka has Nanase, and Sheryl… hrm… who has had her back most of this time? And, I’m psychoanalyzed out. This post isn’t up to snuff, IMO, but I’ll be in the peanut gallery if anyone needs me. Oh, and one last last thing... BreraXKlan is my new W1N!!! a. Brera is into lolis (Ranka?) b. He was so clearly courting her by shooting her down back in episode 9 (edit: not to mention in Macross that's akin to a marriage proposal) c. They both have attitude d. Matching red VF-27 and Q-Rau = win Last edited by stray; 2008-07-16 at 00:06. |
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The problem is that Alto is a fairly unexpressive guy. When Sheryl feels something, she immediately shows it in her expressions, as you can see. Alto, by contrast, tends to keep a tight lid on his feelings; so he tends to come across as rather stoic between outbursts of emotion. When he does show pleasure, it's almost always in the form of a quiet smile. There's actually something similar to the above scene that takes place in episode three. Ranka is going on as usual about she wants to achieve some dream of hers, when Alto suddenly interjects and tells her that she can't. The camera then switches over to him and he gives this blank stare for about three seconds, while there's a pause hanging in the air. Even from the audience's perspective, you really can't make anything of Alto's expression. Is he joking? Is he being insulting? What's going on in his head? Even Ranka gives up after a few seconds of trying to make sense of his response and just assumes that he's serious. It's not a matter of commitment. I can see from Sheryl's expressions that her feelings are all there, and I can also see why she'd spook and make a run for it. Hell, I would, too. Quote:
Were she the type of person to stop and reflect on things, she'd probably be more inclined to dwell on them. Where some people might adapt by changing their mindset, Sheryl instead adapts by taking action. She doesn't acclimatize herself to defeat; when she hits it, she backs up and manuvers around it. Quote:
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I think the distinction between "Sheryl Nome" being a healthy or unhealthy concept depends on whether or not Sheryl acknowledges her vulnerabilities. I'm inclined to think that she does, but simply puts those emotions to work to gain the strength to succeed. It's counterintuitive, because the typical character who's brimming with confidence is usually in denial. In Sheryl's case, she uses her confidence to build up her spirits before pushing forward against adversity. As such, her coping strategy is more along the lines of sublimation. Quote:
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Even with Ranka, she could have easily have used her influence to raise Ranka to fame. But she believed in Ranka's talent, and let her follow her own path to success (contrast this with, say, Nanase, who feels compelled to micromanage her friend's life). I don't think that she's afraid of asking for help. It's just that she's competant enough to handle most things on her own, as people should be. Quote:
Michael may be superior to Nanase, but that does little good because he's also unconcious. This worries me somewhat, because I'm suspecting that the writers might keep him out cold for a while, given what he knows. I think that I've got a pretty good idea of your current perspectives, regardless. We'll see where this goes. |
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2008-07-16, 02:02 | Link #846 |
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All this talk about stars and relationships remind me of this Madonna interview I watched way back then. She was asked how many friends she has. She answered - "Three". Perhaps, when you're really popular, there are a lot of people who approach you to become your friend, but it becomes hard to discern if they are for real, or they're just into you because you're popular.
In Sheryl's case, she'd probably answer - "One". And that one being revealed to be a false "friend" of hers will cause a lot of drama. And I'd like to see what happens to her. Sheryl, if given the chance to grow up the same way as other people would, would probably have friends too. I'd probably be one, if she likes it. Popularity isn't an artists' only bane. It's also the fact that you have to travel. Imagine yourself as a kid and having to travel here and there all the time... it's hard to make real friends (I actually threw a tantrum once when my parents decided to put me in a better school when I was a kid...) At this, I think it's good that she's becoming acquainted with Alto and gang, first real friends I suppose |
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2008-07-16, 10:49 | Link #849 | |
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The only person who's stood up to her and countered her crazy antics and chided her on them, is Alto. He's the only one who doesn't see her as Sheryl Nome. The Sheryl x Michael thing is as likely as Aeris x Cloud AFTER disc 1...
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2008-07-16, 11:34 | Link #850 |
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Not the word, but the overall concept. But your idea really captured the essence of how she handles adversity. I wish I knew where you posted it.
I'm reminded of that blog entry titled "May 8, 2059": "For instance, if I lose a charm, it just means that it becomes someone else's charm." It's one thing to try and shrug off an unhappy event, but it's another thing altogether to turn the experience into something positive. That's the difference between acting tough and being tough. |
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The bottomline of your post is that: Alto will also fall for Sheryl once she starts to really go for Alto. The bottomline of my reply is: Even if Sheryl takes her feelings for Alto seriously, there's no guarantee that Alto will start returning her feelings. Am I making myself clearer now? Quote:
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Notice how Alto didn't really have that much of a problem entrusting her to Michael lol Even if she's feeling ill, she's safe with Michael. He can breathe easy. When Ranka got kidnapped, he was willing enough to trust her and Michael to save Ranka. In 14, he grouped her with Michael after he used their fold pack. Sheryl also made him promise to come back safely--take note, this is genuine concern coming from her already--but what did she get from the guy? A business-like appreciation. He looked at her eye to eye, yet he wasn't even surprised that Sheryl was showing this much concern about him. Her concern could not hit home. Seeing Sheryl's lack of impact on Alto (compared to Ranka who is ALSO on the friend zone), how are you able to deduce that Alto's bound to feel the same way towards her once she stops playing around? Don't worry, I know it's definitely not because of Romance 101 and anime history or Kawamori history. Quote:
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From what I can tell, the only person who reflected on what happened last episode was Ranka, and that's because the story has been highlighting her feelings instead of Sheryl. That is also one of the things that built the storyline where it is currently at right now. You're saying I'm biased for calling the Saonome kiss a plot device for Ranka's growth, yet Sheryl has no insight of that scene. At all. Poor Sheryl then, her recollection of her own feelings resulting from that kiss must've been skipped. ^__^ Let's face it. The focus is not equal. Whatever character growth that kiss was supposed to do with Sheryl, it didn't show. The story left the speculation to the perceptive Sheryl fans and just focused on awakening Ranka's feelings brought out by that same kiss. I guess that makes me narrow-minded for not bothering to speculate on whether that kiss held special meaning to Sheryl or not. Once the story starts caring, I will too. Quote:
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*runs away from fellow Sheryl fans* Believe me, I don't want it to be the case but that's what it looks like to me. But maybe you guys with more experience with romance type anime can better predict things then me. I don't usually go for romance things....Macross is the closest I get to that.
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I lul'ed at the sentai show crack, but at least with part of that I kind of feel like I'm extoling their virtues. Really tho, there are huge elements of life lesson morality plays in them. At the end of the day, though, there's nothing whatsoever wrong IMO with a romantic relationship where one partner's strength can balance out the other's weaknesses, and vice versa. Quote:
And, to go back to a point OD made, Alto, being Alto, probably would tell her to fuck off alot more if it wasn't for the combination of Michael, and the earring guilt trip... but I digress. I mean really, we don't know jack about Michael's motives (Alto figures he just wanted to hit on Grace) but my point is that... he's not a playa, he's a pimp. And yeah, he might be unconscious for a while, sadly. Quote:
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You cite Grace, ok, good, then can we hear from you, a reasonable hypothesis as to how Grace suddenly just... made it happen? As for the "I am Sheryl Nome" bit, its obvious Grace is playing Sheryl as a fool, using her own pride against her. If she had indeed brainwashed her at all, then why not keep her a submissive pet? Especially considering Grace's aim was to kill her anyway. That said, I cannot find myself agreeing with your arguments at all. Then you said "I would stop worshiping her about her past since we don't even know much about her background." Excuse me, but while I do have a lot of appreciation for Sheryl as a character, worshiping the bitch is a vastly different story. Please don't take things out of context. - Tak
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Sort of like how taking out Alto x Ranka's rabu rabu story right now would diminish the crackling excitement of the inevitable Alto x Sheryl pairing. |
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2008-07-17, 01:13 | Link #857 | |
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Maybe that's how she sees her own fandom of Ranka - "Worshipping". See, if you try to defend Sheryl, and she does the same for Ranka, and she calls your action "worshipping Sheryl", then what do you call what she's doing? *shrugs* By the way, how much of Ranka's past do we know? Dun dun dun... I think we know more about Mikhail than any of the three main characters as of the moment. |
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2008-07-17, 02:21 | Link #858 | ||
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"When the valkyrie in front of Sheryl is destroyed, the one who follows it, takes its place and stands in front of her! The idol is more important than any of you! You say you are here to serve humanity, I say you are here to die for the Galactic Fairy!" Sorry Tak, I guess I overestimated your love for Sheryl. Quote:
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2008-07-17, 03:36 | Link #859 |
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I got it from a chinese forum but judging from info within the blogs there is an implication that at the begining of episode 9 Sheryl and Alto was in a big fight and havent talked to each other for several days.
From blog entry: May 12- Sheryl joins Mihoshi comments on the school cafe food. May 13- Gets called 'hair growing on the heart' decides to beat the crap of 'the guy' who called her that the next day. May 15-Shery comments on understanding what it means to want to hear 'certain persons' voice even if the conversation can be infuriating. She went on to certify this. Ep 9 -Alto complains about Sheryl being in the school and went on to hassel Mikhail incessantly. He was pretty pissed off for the first bit even yelling at Mikhail saying that he don't need Mikhails help in that first vajra encounter. When Alto gets treated in the infirmary he said something to the effect of 'That one too and this one too, they all just know to attack from ambush.' (Original line(?)- どいつもこいつも、こそこそ蔭から撃つだけで、それするは出来ないやつか?Two people were mentioned.) Gets told that 'everyone has their reasons'. Alto gets a thoughtful look on his face and next scene we see Alto talking to Sheryl on the phone about her documentary. May 17 blog entry- Sheryl talk about how her documentary name was passed 99 to 1. (we all know who that 1 is ) Judging from the time flow- Sheryl smacked Alto silly (Sheryl trained boxing back in galaxy, in ep 5 she out ran Alto so it probably hurt..) on May 14 then proceed to go into cold war with him for the next few days. During this time Alto continuously complained about Sheryl (per begining of ep9) then they made up during the middle of ep9 (most likely Alto called Sheryl after the talk in the infirmary). So Altos action in the begining of ep9 was because they had a lovers quarrel |
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