(L) Girls und Panzer

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Speaking of shots, not being a tank expert I have to wonder about the hits done by the Stug III and the Panzer IV on the T-34s this episode. I remember one hitting the front glacis, while the other hitting the side of a turret. Could these be considered disabling shots in a real scenario? Because they sure triggered those white flags quickly.

That's another funny fact... A destroyed, useless, jammed turrent / gun is worth abandoning.... The flag should have raise when the main gun is destroyed by default.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

That's another funny fact... A destroyed, useless, jammed turrent / gun is worth abandoning.... The flag should have raise when the main gun is destroyed by default.

If the main gun is destroyed. The M3 has two guns though

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

If the main gun is destroyed. The M3 has two guns though

Well, in this case it's the far more useful gun though. Losing that 75 mm is a big deal!

That said, makes one wonder about the systems that govern the flag raising. How does it distinguish, for example, between a "penetrating" hit and a round that just bounces off (note Momo's panic during the Saunders chase)?

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Well, in this case it's the far more useful gun though. Losing that 75 mm is a big deal!

That said, makes one wonder about the systems that govern the flag raising. How does it distinguish, for example, between a "penetrating" hit and a round that just bounces off (note Momo's panic during the Saunders chase)?

If the referee system is an perimeter armor lining, then it's quite simple. If the round bounces or penetrates shallow, the system simply doesn't detect it at all. It's likely that the system only engages once the shell penetrates deep enough to the carbon coating layer or the engine compartment.

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

If the referee system is an perimeter armor lining, then it's quite simple. If the round bounces or penetrates shallow, the system simply doesn't detect it at all. It's likely that the system only engages once the shell penetrates deep enough to the carbon coating layer or the engine compartment.

They rely too much in the system... They should have "human referee" to double check it....

Anyway... can the system detect if a tank doesn't have any working gun anymore?

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

They rely too much in the system... They should have "human referee" to double check it....

Anyway... can the system detect if a tank doesn't have any working gun anymore?

Having a human referee to check out damage to the system during a hectic battle doesn't sound like a very good idea. Mock battles of this nature always rely on automated systems to determine damage, ex. MILES. The human referees present only uphold the general rules of the battle, rather than micromanage on the sort of damage the combatants sustain, though they can make the final judgement on whether the tank is knocked out or not regardless of what the referee equipment's state is as mentioned in the official rules.

And we don't know if the system can detect a non-working gun, though if the referee equipment doesn't detect it, it'll be up to the human referees to determine whether the tank can still participate or be listed as "knocked out".

[vuluc88]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

They rely too much in the system... They should have "human referee" to double check it....

Anyway... can the system detect if a tank doesn't have any working gun anymore?

Actually they have... http://girls-und-panzer.jp/chara_b.html
Let's just say they have the right to trigger white flag remotely

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Speaking of shots, not being a tank expert I have to wonder about the hits done by the Stug III and the Panzer IV on the T-34s this episode. I remember one hitting the front glacis, while the other hitting the side of a turret. Could these be considered disabling shots in a real scenario? Because they sure triggered those white flags quickly.

At that range (near point blank), it is very likely those hits would penetrate, so yeah.


Also...I love how the judges are Feldgendarmerie by another name

[Marina2]

One of Sencha-do rules said (human) referee has the right to decide whether a tank can continue or not. Even if tank a owner argue that their tank is still operatable, if referee said no is no.

Talking about destroying a tank gun, as non tank expert, I would like to ask: How strong is a tank gun compare to other part of tank?
- Can a shot from type89 destroy or bend other tank gun??
- Can Panzer IV's old gun destroy Tiger's gun???
- Is aiming to destroy the gun of other tank common in the real battle?

[Panzerklein]

Aiming to destroy the gun of other tank is uncommon since most of tank fight appear in long distance, rarely in close range. Despite when I play Men of War, my JadgTiger usually got hit to the gun because it is too big and got shot from pretty close range.

BTW, for more panzer and panzer grenadier song. German marching songs are good, but I refer Russian marching song .

Spoiler for Panzer songs:

Panzer Voran (Panzer Advance)

Panzer Grenadiere Lied

And a Vietnamese song about Tank soldiers "5 anh em trên 1 chiếc xe tăng" - "5 brothers in a tank".

First sentences of lyrics are "5 brothers in a tank like 5 flower blossom on a brance". Funny lyrics, if you change "anh em" to "chị em" (sisters), it is very suit for Girls und Panzer ).

[Ingram]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

That's another funny fact... A destroyed, useless, jammed turrent / gun is worth abandoning.... The flag should have raise when the main gun is destroyed by default.

Why? The disabled tank could still get between the enemy and their own flag tank. Why should they be cast out rather than be allowed to take a defensive role?

[vuluc88]

Originally Posted by Panzerklein

And a Vietnamese song about Tank soldiers "5 anh em trên 1 chiếc xe tăng" - "5 brothers in a tank".

First sentences of lyrics are "5 brothers in a tank like 5 flower blossom on a brance". Funny lyrics, if you change "anh em" to "chị em" (sisters), it is very suit for Girls und Panzer ).

Why don't you change it to "cô em" (babes)... It's rhyme better than "chị" right?

[Panzerklein]

Originally Posted by vuluc88

Why don't you change it to "cô em" (babes)... It's rhyme better than "chị" right?

Hoh, you right . I forgot the rhyme .

[Ithekro]

Flags seem to raise for shells that would have killed the crew or the engine. The 38(t) was still in the practise match with its tank tread having fallen off (only to get hammered by four British tanks at point blank range later on...but that saved the Panzer IV).


That said that carbon layer must be really good, because several of those shots would have easily killed those girls many times over.

The Stug III can possibly fix the tread (or at least be used as a fixed position moved by one of the other tanks) The M3 Lee could even be assigned to pivot duty on the Stug. THe M3's gun probably isn't enough against a T-34, but it can be used to suppress their view or likely a bunch of other things. The Panzer IV is now like the Stug III. They have to aim with the tank now.

[garbage]

^ Good thing Miho's crew has one hell of a driver in Mako ne?

[SPECTER]

Hope they use
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMZDEuiq8nQ
for Black Forest.

[Liddo-kun]

Official art.

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Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

Well... this is interesting. Crunchyroll's release, which I just finally watched, didn't have the performance of "Katyusha." I suppose I can chalk this up, like always, to the arcane rites of Japanese licensing.

One more reason why I shouldn't subscribe to that place.

[jwai]

I hope that subsequent licensed BD/DVD releases won't cut that scene out entirely.

[Kimidori]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The most surprising thing that could happen?

Moho hitting the Pravda flag tank.

it would be a head-spining twist here.

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by Ingram

Why? The disabled tank could still get between the enemy and their own flag tank. Why should they be cast out rather than be allowed to take a defensive role?

...if it has a working gun is not... it worth's abandoning.... It'll be a burden to protect a tank that can't even protect it self.