2012-05-12, 12:29 | Link #8961 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
|
Zenkichi being the weakest and the MC is probably a snide comment to the rest of the Shounens out there, where the leader is the most powerful character of all. It seems that Nisio's point is that power does not necessarily equate to leadership, or at least provide good leadership.
I'd imagine that Zenkichi is a commentary by the author on what he considers a good leader: a multiplier, a person who brings out the best in his or her team. Which Medaka incidentally, isn't as skilled in doing that as Zenkichi, by her very nature . Just look at how she alienates anime only viewers- and considering that Nisio deliberately made her both hyper-competent and annoyingly "perfect"... (and deconstructed that to Kingdom come in the Flask Plan arc).... |
2012-05-12, 12:33 | Link #8962 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
|
Quote:
Is there a universal convention or law that says the main character has to be the most powerful. News to me, actually. I can actually think of at least one work where the main character is, indeed, the weakest of his team. Unless I misunderstood your post. |
|
2012-05-12, 13:14 | Link #8963 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2012
|
Quote:
Refer to the Medaka before Devil Style, and the invincible beast she was, fate made her the strongest being around. Now refer to the chapter in which Ajimu describes Devil Style, and how Zenkichi disposed of all the benefits of being a MC by nulling fate. He is the main character, but without fate, he dosen't get any of the strenght. |
|
2012-05-12, 13:20 | Link #8964 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
|
TBF battle shounen MC are either the strongest in their group or the weakest with crazy potential rarely is their a middle ground if the manga actually focuses on their fights.
This is ignoring harem crap where the male lead doesn't really fight, or his fighting is barely focused on. If the shounen actually focuses on them fighting and their comparitively weak they usually have a gimmick which usually encompasses their crazy potential e.g touma's imagine breaker etc. |
2012-05-12, 13:24 | Link #8965 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2012
|
Quote:
Zenkichi just has 'normal' levels of ability, after all. He's considered a Zero(which is neither an Abnormal nor a Minus) because of his mentality, a mentality portrayed by Devil Style. Which means that removing Devil Style would make no sense from a narrative point of view, it would eliminate all the develoment from the previous arc. |
|
2012-05-12, 15:00 | Link #8967 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
|
@ novalysis
I agree. Nisio will not do the typical shounens. Zenkichi popular hero (MC) as result readers of the polls. Therefore it will do exactly as he is. We already have the most is the most most most powerful hero - Medaka. Second this is not needed. It behaves like a team leader. In contrast to the "super ideal" Medaka. This is done correctly. Why do we need a copy of Medaka. |
2012-05-12, 21:50 | Link #8969 | |
ANEGO Worshiper
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: By the vending machine, drinking tea.
|
Quote:
Actual boss type villains, lolno. If you are a no-named or just very low ranking bad guy then you can be sure you'll just have the purpose of making the MC look cool. But if you are a named boss type character then (unless the MC is an OP God ala Alucard) then there's usually a though fight. |
|
2012-05-12, 22:51 | Link #8970 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Somewhere
|
Quote:
Ah I was thinking Touma as well...what do you think of him? He reminds of Zenkichi in some ways(or is it the other way around, don't know which series I started first), but Touma really doesn't change, even with his memory loss, which is a shame. |
|
2012-05-13, 00:54 | Link #8971 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
|
I wonder if I should read that series some time before I die. This "Accelerator" guy sounds interesting, to say the least.
From what I've heard, that series has ludicrously overpowered villains so that only Touma, with his simple power-null arm, can possibly beat them. I wonder if Isin will do something similar here. Though, catering villains to his ability would range from ironic to logically impossible, so maybe not. |
2012-05-13, 02:42 | Link #8972 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Somewhere
|
Quote:
|
|
2012-05-13, 03:47 | Link #8973 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
|
I like that Zenkichi is still the nominally weakest member of the group even after becoming SC president. Even better, he seems to have come to terms with his weakness given how proudly he announces it.
He kind of reminds me of Batman: the token normal guy with no powers on a team of physical gods who gets by with a crazy amount of preparation, training, and fighting like a cheap bastard (i.e. the biting). |
2012-05-13, 03:55 | Link #8974 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
|
Quote:
Ironically Erza also does this though not to anywhere near the same degree as Natsu due to not being the main character. |
|
2012-05-13, 05:49 | Link #8975 |
Yandere maniax
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Somewhere close to Valhalla
Age: 34
|
I have been following this series from the start but I have no idea how to explain to the newcomers about what is this series about.
Seriously, when was the last time we see someone put the request into Medaka's box? 100 chapters ago? |
2012-05-13, 05:52 | Link #8976 | |
KORA!!
Scanlator
|
Quote:
Anyway, I see your pain. I don't really know how the hell to pitch this damn thing either, just tell them to read the first 100 chapters, and if they don't like it, they can drop it. |
|
2012-05-13, 06:04 | Link #8977 |
Yandere maniax
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Somewhere close to Valhalla
Age: 34
|
There are just 150+ chapters currently. But I didn't find the significant of Medaka's suggestion box since the Flask Plan arc. It became a whole new genre since Flask Plan... which was around 100 chapters ago.
|
2012-05-13, 06:19 | Link #8978 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
|
Quote:
It's the same reason why the slice of life crap at the begining was ditched, because as it is, it forces the story in a scenario that goes nowhere. |
|
2012-05-13, 08:41 | Link #8979 |
KORA!!
Scanlator
|
It was referenced to, but was never really a focus. During the minus 13 arc, all the students flooded the box to get rid of them, and it seems to be in the background a lot, but it has some symbolism to it, which was given by Zenkichi during the election. So you can't really say it's completely useless. Well now it is because it's been abolished.
|
2012-05-13, 09:14 | Link #8980 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2012
|
Quote:
Also, is no one else pissed at Nisio's trolling with the glasses? Just a normal pair of glasses? Wtf. Did he really lose Parasite Seeing so his vision is progressively getting worse? If so, what did Shiranui's Real Eater give him in return? Or maybe he just has regular myopia or another eye-defect? Freaking troll this author is. |
|
Tags |
action, comedy, harem, nishio, romance, shounen, student council |
|
|