2012-08-31, 12:28 | Link #61 |
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More than anything, this just makes me sad - it's pathetic that there are people in this day and age who consider this kind of thing funny, and suitable for a "prank". This is basically a middle school bullying incident with all the requisite ugliness and bile, played out in front of a worldwide audience. The real victim here is Ichiki-san, who endured this kind of humiliation not because of anything he'd done, but for the pathetic amusement of others.
Now that said, I think a couple of conclusions seem reasonable. First, why would you argue for a boycott of the author and illustrator of the LN - who had nothing to do with this? Or Kitamura Eri, simply for being a favorite of Yamanaka? That reaction says as much about the dysfunction of the fan community as the prank itself does about the people who perpetrated it. And second, KC was very unlikely to get a second season irrespective of this - pre-orders weren't looking good and while surprises do happen, it's very unlikely the numbers were far enough off to make a difference. We were always going to get one season (+ the BD extras) and that was going to be it. Don't blame the lack of a sequel on this ugliness. This won't impact my view of the show itself on way or the other - I look at it as a separate incident. But damn, what a needless waste of energy that everyone is focused on something that needn't have ever happened but for the petty cruelty of people with too much time on their hands.
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2012-08-31, 12:40 | Link #62 | |
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Why would anyone say something that malicious? Goddammit, I hate Japan so much. |
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2012-08-31, 12:49 | Link #63 | |
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I would have found the prank a lot funnier if it was pulled on a star seiyuu,first because it would take some actual guts to pull it (while taking a no name doesn't) and because even if the star doesn't get the role he still would have a career.
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That said, the context is entirely different: he was given a prospect of a true job, and was dragged for months into expectations that lead to a public humiliation, painting him as a laughing stock. I don't get why the seiyuu being popular or not have anything to do with the tasteless aspect of this affair: being unknown in a given industry doesn't warrant being trampled this way: that's like justifying any artist to be dragged in the dirt, because they didn't sell enough at that "given time". What say if other seiyuu got the same treatement years ago, and the same situation arise later... how does it make "less legit" if it is done after their fame? it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Quote:
The radio didn't make this any better, since they had no sense of remorse, and just went ahead with the "how funny it was" knowing full well how humiliating it was. Quote:
There is a stark difference between a simple prank usual to silly TV broadcast, and a stunt of this genre. Even with Japanese having countless of this kind of sassy stuff, this one generated a huge backlash for good reason. You really have to consider the context, instead of taking the "prank" at face value. Especially that it wouldn't ternish the career or reputation of a popular VA, since unless they do jack like Hirano, they have jobs ahead of them. For instance, if anyone else than Sakurai involved with that plagiarism scandal would be dead meat by now. it is due to Sakurai popularity and fanbase along with his performances that could mitigate the backlash of that affair. A "no name" like Ichiki would be a complete different matter: he will be labeled as a guillible seiyuu, who was bad enough to be pulled a prank on. Even if people knows he is the innocent victim, he will have to drag this for a LONG period.
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2012-08-31, 12:53 | Link #65 |
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I doubt the accuracy of the translation, but I can't say for sure yet because I'm currently not able to listen to the show for myself. I wouldn't take translations from some blog for totally authentic to begin with though.
Also I think you're overestimating the whole "losing face" thing, teh_pings post especially gave me a good chuckle. You're making it out like he's completely finished and could just as wel commit sudoku Yes, they pulled a prank on a human being and once again, I of course don't think this was necessary or especially funny. But instead of being a hypocrite and acting like I would give a shit about his personal life or his career - which none of us does - I'm simply saying that we shouldn't make this a bigger deal than it is. These holy saint attitude is really starting to annoy me, you're blowing things out of proportion Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-08-31 at 13:28. Reason: Don't talk about rep in your posts. |
2012-08-31, 13:01 | Link #66 |
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The whole "losing face" deal is much more important in Asian societies. As for "why caring", I'll answer, what's wrong with putting ourselves in his shoes and feel for him? I think even the more morally bankrupt anons and 2channers might feel a little sorry. Which may explain the reactions over the whole affair, some being inappropriate and disproportionate (the KitaEri tweeter spam).
EDIT: In TVtropes lingo, this would have been called a Kick the Dog moment as far as those behind the deed are concerned.
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2012-08-31, 13:05 | Link #67 |
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I just felt like putting it out there, don't blame /a/ for the idiots that spammed KitaEri. There's a group that loves making /a/ look bad and it was them that took advantage of some idiots in the thread last night and did the spamming. Honestly the whole situation is stupid as hell though the only reason she was targeted was because apparently the 2ch thread kept mentioning her in connection.
I really wish things like this didn't happen though, it's just absolutely terrible to do to some poor guy hoping for a gig, especially when you find out this isn't the first time they pulled this kind of prank on him too.
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2012-08-31, 13:08 | Link #68 |
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Collateral damage all over the place....
This incident, I think, won't be soon forgotten. It's a shame that the actions of a single producer has possibly ruined Silver Link as a whole, since I thought that this studio was on an upswing before this incident broke out. |
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2012-08-31, 13:09 | Link #70 | |
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And of course there's nothing wrong in sympathizing with him, but again, that's no reason to starting blowing things out of proportion Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-08-31 at 13:27. |
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2012-08-31, 13:09 | Link #71 |
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Even if you don't personally know the 'random seiyuu', people are still able to have empathy. Especially if ever actually jobhunted in any kind of career.
Doesn't even have to be this 'high-tier' of a position. A college student trying to land a good internship involving multiple interviews and submitting portfolios only to find out 3months later at the company that it was all fake and a joke, and then getting laughed at is the same thing.
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2012-08-31, 13:10 | Link #72 | |
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You just don't do that kind of thing. It's literally evil, there's no other way to put it! (and yes, I meant to use "literally" there). PS: how would one go about committing "sudoku"? Do you write numbers on your limbs?
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2012-08-31, 13:15 | Link #73 |
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I think, in the longer run, whether Silver Link, or indeed the Producers will apologize for this fiasco depends on whether they think this would damage the prospects future productions. Truth is, the longer this goes on, I'd think the more likely that the embargo would go beyond not just Kokoro Connect, but all of Silver Links other works in the pipeline.
It is really, really tragic that a story of the quality of Kokoro Connect would be ever more associated with this incident. More so are the attacks on the LN author and illustrator. What's next? Attacks on his publisher? Basically, this fiasco will nuke quite alot of people's careers, it seems. |
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With that context in mind, There is nothing that would justify or excuse this mess, but at the very least, a simple public announcement would quench a bit people anger, even if they won't buy it at 100%. At this point, it will just have a snowball effect, and I can't say it will be a nice sight, considering it has already started with Kitamura.
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2012-08-31, 13:53 | Link #80 | |
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Really frustrating situation here. I'm sad to hear something like this is involved with one of my favorite shows this season, but I feel even more sorry for that VA who got humiliated in such a way...
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