2011-07-04, 05:59 | Link #8062 |
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@mangaf_whatever: Wow, you're the new thing in condescendence here I suppose. 'Reasoning is invalid' , 'This is an eyesore' and 'you're in denial' are my favorites of your new post
Now with so much confidence in one's point of view I would've expected some strong arguments... I'm still looking for them. Just a few points: - 'Bored by the relationship' ? Where is this? Where does it say she's bored? - Eba didn't (re)confess to have an answer to her confession, she did it to say goodbye, hence throwing the pendant in the lake as well as saying they wont see each other after this. Anything beyond that is not in the text and therefor mere speculation from your side. - She wanted Kazama to die so she could go after Haruto? (that one's the icing ) So why breaking up all contact for two years then? Again, you make all this up while there is nothing in the source to actually confirm it. Kazama didn't want to take the risk of an operation, Eba merely respected his decision. And mostly, who are you to decide that the notion of 'nobody's perfect" is just an excuse and doesn't apply here? Because it doesn't suit your argumentation? The characters represent people. People do mistakes. Every ... single ... one. If that is too realistic of a depiction for you then you might have had too idealistic expectations for a longrunning ShoRom series to begin with. Your posts are full of unbacked interpretations that you present as facts but it's not working that way. |
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Dying is a scary and lonely business. What Kazama wanted (and got) was her COMPANY during his last days, not a sex friend (hi Bonta-kun). Besides, we didn't hear a single complaint from him. Haruto had no reason to be confused. She told him point-blank, multiple times, in no unclear terms: Stay away from me. Anything happening to him was his own responsibility. Quote:
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She threw the trinket away, into the pond, and said: "Once we get back to Tokyo, I won't be seeing you anymore". She was about to come clean and call it quits. It was _Haruto_ who then jumped into the pool and begged her to reconsider, she was clearly shocked about this development. Quote:
Feel free to believe that this was just a ploy to force Haruto's hand. If it had been Rin instead of Eba, then maybe. But not Eba, for crying out lout. This girl is as simple and non-scheming as it gets. Quote:
[Several repetitions of old points deleted] First you create alot of really messed up ideas about Eba inside your head, and then you hate her for these delusions. You can't see that? Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2011-07-04 at 17:10. Reason: Removed scan links |
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2011-07-04, 07:09 | Link #8064 | |
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what's wrong with saying "whatever reason you have...."? ... it's the same as "any options you present will have the same outcome... "(if u dont understand ">", it means greater than)" this is just a note, what if he dont understand? if he understands, then disregard it and move on to the topic... please dont make things worse by posting something like this.. this is like putting words into their mouths... they might believe when you directly call me the "arrogant troll"... i admit that i overdid it on the "common sense" thing... but that was just getting even with his arrogant post... some guys even call someone's post as a silly idea, some even says "you have a seriously strange morals" but u didnt bother to scold them... and here u are quoting and calling me an arrogant troll... did i call u names or something? well, let's just focus on the Q and A's in this forum...
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we will just give and take ideas, this is how we will enjoy the forum...
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-that kissing scene should have been a dumping scene. but she selfishly wanted to do something "memorable" before dumping him.. also a bad decision. -if haruto found the letter right away, the earlier he will come to "save" eba.. Quote:
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-she just caused kazama to pity himself more... -she could have just advised kazama that his desperate action is not the best solution. i dont want to hurt your feelings, i dont want to hurt my current BF's feelings, and i dont want to lie to myself. she could also have avoided the break up with haruto and they'll meet in college or she can go back to hiroshima if she really wanted to... IF haruto was a punk, he would have laughed at kazama, "dude, that was desperate, it's like blackmailing my girlfriend... hahaha".. but that would be harsh.. Quote:
-if he wanted company, she can take care of him as a friend.. you can date a friend, eat dinner with a friend, go swimming with a friend, going to a park with a friend, and many more.. but cant go to a love hotel with her and do the above... -if Eba told him im currently dating someone in the first place, i dont think he'll insist. (another bad move for Eba)........his proposals happened before dumping Haruto, right? Quote:
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kimi_no_iru_machi/v14/c138/15 - what do you expect when you confess to a person? it is an "answer", correct?... she was actually hoping that haruto might love her back, so she's willing to wait for the answer... because if she only wanted to say goodbye, then there's no need for an answer... is this clear enough? Quote:
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and she succeed...(nice determination Eba!) Haruto is mine!!!! (yeah, u did it!) sorry asuka...i dont care if you'll cry a river... (uhhmm... ye..yeah...) Quote:
-does she expect that his illness will cure itself without surgery? (no, he'll die) -so what does she expect will happen after the 1 year life duration of kazama? (he'll die) -if she respects kazama's decision, will he be able to survive? (no, he'll die) -if she forced kazama to have surgery, will he be able to survive? (maybe he'll survive) -so she really just waiting for him to die... -if she will date haruto after kazama's death, then is it ok for kazama's mom? is it ok for Haruto? is it ok for Kiyomi? is it ok for Asuka? is it ok for the gang? after all the mess she made, she expects everyone to just accept it? Quote:
i'd be glad to hear from you again... -----sorry for the double posting...no one has posted after 2 hours, so let this slip please...
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Kazama died happy. His greatly enjoyed his final days with Eba, and the subsequent "contest" with Haruto, he openly said so. Blaming Eba for that feels pretty absurd. Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2011-07-04 at 17:12. Reason: Removed scan links |
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2011-07-04, 14:44 | Link #8067 | |||||||||||
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[QUOTE=Mentar;3678490]So why did you list this as a "mistake"? As something that you would criticize her for? Hurting people because you can't (or opt not to) reciprocate someone's feelings IS NO MISTAKE.
kimi_no_iru_machi/v14/c137/8 kimi_no_iru_machi/v14/c137/9 kimi_no_iru_machi/v14/c137/10 kimi_no_iru_machi/v14/c137/11 here we go again... she made a mistake by choosing kazama over haruto, because if it isnt, she wont be in front of haruto confessing her feelings.... you see? it was her choice to dump haruto before, but she admits that she always love haruto.. things wouldnt be complicated if she just directly followed her heart from the start... not a mistake?she damn admitted already... dont push this topic anymore... Quote:
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when i was a junior, i have this gf, same school but she's 2 yr level lower than me. everyday was fun, until i get to college..i can only return home once every semester (school chosen by parents), so it was really hard for us by just a celphone and YM... i decided to finish a year in this college and transfer to a closer college, so i need to defy my parents.. but we only lasted the next 5 months after my transfer to a 5hr-distance-travel school, by ship, so i came only at weekends... it was really sudden that i dont have an idea.. all my efforts has gone to waste... i was very angry, even if we broke up, i was still coming home and visiting my old school as some of my old friends are also taking their navigation course there.i think u know how hard it is when you see her having fun with his new guy,right? i feel pathetic and became a bastard who flirt with girls just to have sex, but ofcourse u need to hide and avoid being seen.. funny thing is, my ex text me 2 times, wanting to patch things up, but i turned down both offers, i really tried to flirt with other girls and played as a caring bf...i havent move on until i developed my feelings to my friend (ive known her since 13) and became my wife...ah, my ex currently has a baby, but she's too ashamed to say who the father is... but we're friends, sometimes we chat, but having a dinner, my wife might kill me... so, i know what is lovey dovey, lust, flirt, passionate, and a lot more in a boy-girl relationship... i really feel too old for this forum... its a higshcool/college time-frame manga.. - and please open your eyes and reread that chapter again... they didnt even noticed that there's a lot of people watching them... Quote:
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Kazama is more experienced with girls than u think he is... he knows what is dating a girl and being a friend to the girl... so asking Eba to be his girlfriend is not the same as asking her to take care of him as a friend... so, he's expecting something from her that "only a friend" could not give... am i not clear with this? give me an example of what a GF can give u when "only a friend" cant give u... and after all, he thought she was available... (links below can prove this) Quote:
-kazama himself feel she was dating him out of pity (ive said this multiple times and posted a link) kimi_no_iru_machi/v11/c091/5 kimi_no_iru_machi/v11/c091/6 kimi_no_iru_machi/v11/c091/7 kimi_no_iru_machi/v11/c091/8 kimi_no_iru_machi/v11/c091/9 -a lot was answered here, read it... so, am i blurting nonsense here? Quote:
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so what are u arguing me with? because this statement sounds like she's a bad person that's why you quoted this?BTW, i didnt say that she's hoping he would die so that he can get back to haruto again... Quote:
and what was Kazama's decision? he took the surgery, hoping he can still live and try to win Eba evenly... he realized that it was a better choice afterall... yeah, Kazama was happy, while haruto experienced a lot of shit...
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2011-07-04, 16:58 | Link #8068 | |
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Lastly, a word to all who try to read this users posts and refute his ideas, Lol Good Luck With That, might as well argue with your wall. |
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You really don't get it, no. Probably my last reply (hopefully so).
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The point is that even though Kazama KNEW it was out of sympathy right from the start, he STILL enjoyed and desired her presence. The feeling of having someone dear to you near you in your last days is an IMMENSE comfort. That's exactly why I've been saying for ages that you're misreading the Kazama-Yuzuki linkup. This isn't about a standard adolescent romance trying to get into each others' pants. This is about care and comfort of a dying guy, and a fulfilment of his wish. By doing so, she caused Haruto alot of pain, and she regrets that. But that does not change that she did a great deed for Kazama. Quote:
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2011-07-04, 17:55 | Link #8070 |
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I actually think Kazama had more fun with Haruto visiting him when he understood Haruto didn't hold no ill will toward him then both Eba and Kiyomi put together. Maybe because Haruto was the only one being wholly earnest with himself I think that's the phrase I'm looking for describes it...
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2011-07-04, 23:25 | Link #8071 | |
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"someone who's obviously wrong"? you can't even back up your words... show me some links. i, on the other hand, showed some proof (links). mangafox doesnt have a virus, don't make things up to make me look bad. there are thousands of readers in there, and it is one of the biggest manga forums, if mangafox really have viruses, people shouldn't be there reading their manga to avoid viruses... (To admins, i'm sorry for using another website's name, but i need it for my explanation) browse your posts again and check who's the one who started to use vulgar words and insulted ideas... actions have consequences... if you insult me or my idea, then i'm more experienced in insulting a person... i admit i insulted you, but don't come clean that you started it... Bigspeed Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 2011-07-01, 04:47 Link #7986 2011-07-01, 04:50 Link #7987 this are your posts... where's the 5 extra minute you're talking to? you quoted this before: "eba taught her that" - directed at Haruto though a minor misspelling(for others reading the forum) is this what your referring about the mispelling? and u even try to insult me there to the other readers... (which backfired) verb: teach -present tense taught -past tense "i teach them martial arts" -present tense "i taught them martial arts" - past tense yes, i am not an english-major teacher and english is not my 1st language. i'm a bit lazy putting apostrophes and writing words in shortcut... i often write "because" as "cause" to make it shorter but they actually have different meaning so let it slide... Lastly, you just told the whole forum to isolate me... wow... good job...
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2011-07-04, 23:45 | Link #8072 |
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Man, this has degenerated into nothing but a flame war.
Everyone please keep the personal attacks to yourself. This is a forum for discussion, not for calling each other names. It's not helping your cases any... and please remember that 95% of everything here is opinion. There's no real right or wrong way to look at it (unless you're posting something that was actually said in the manga and completely twisting it). People have their own views on relationships, break ups, etc. You don't have to agree with them, but at least keep it civil.
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2011-07-05, 02:26 | Link #8073 | |
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Mangafox has given me a virus, I'm not going to dispute this, use links at own risk, if you want to be safe then use the site your familiar with and the chapter/page hes refering to. I merely stated that your impossible to discuss with because you may as well be reading others posts backwards, if english isn't your first language all the more reason to take the time to make sure you get your point across instead of a jumbled mess. Also when I say take 5 minutes, I mean take 5 minutes too make your posts readable and understandable, not make posts 5 minutes worth of work, not to mention that you can`t tell how much time someone spends on a post. I looked back at my posts and I don't see me being rude to you anywhere, insulting ideas? This is a conversation the fact you think anything which denys your ideas being right is insulting means you don't belong on the forum. Telling the forum too isolate you? I say that trying to talk to you is silly because you continue to say, "are you even reading my post" which i assure I read then reread before I go to reply, I look at it from your point of view*, but do you read anyone elses post? or do you click Quote then spray denials too anything which "insults" your ideas. Just btw your story earlier about dating a girl while in college I've read it 3 times and have NO IDEA at some parts at what your saying, absolutely none. "browse your posts again and check who's the one who started to use vulgar words and insulted ideas... actions have consequences... if you insult me or my idea, then i'm more experienced in insulting a person... i admit i insulted you, but don't come clean that you started it..." Just because you asked for proof before here you go, "then i'm more experienced in insulting a person" What? this doesn't make sense, "i admit i insulted you, but don't come clean that you started it" are you saying I should come clean that I started the insults? either way I didn't. Also forum rules state that you shall not insult others, this doesn't mean if you get pushed you can push back, this means if you get pushed report him and have him banned. And about making things up about Mangafox to make you look bad, I honestly mean no malice towards you when I said that, It doesn't disprove any of your ideas too say your link is dangerous, but REALLY I have gotten a virus from Mangafox, its not a case of slandering you, its just the truth. Last edited by Bigspeed; 2011-07-05 at 02:28. Reason: changed point of you to point of view at the * |
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actually i'm also tired of circling around, so this is my last post so we can move on... -all of these arguments started about eba's mistakes, and these quotes are straying and just prolonged it all... these mess were caused by eba's timidness and poor decisions. that's the reason we put our personal views on what she could have done to avoid these (e.g. She could have just told kazama that she's dating a guy in Hiroshima, then she could have avoided hurting haruto and pity date kazama)... if we dont put our personal views, then read the manga silently and say "ok, there's drama"... and also, if we will just use the "nobody is perfect" reasoning, then again, read the manga silently and just say "ok, i've read it", because no one can answer that... Quote:
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Kazama's POV - i will have this girl, she's available, it wont hurt other people.. if he knewshe was dating someone, there will be a change on his POV. it would be possible that he will think eba was already happy with his current BF and i don't want to ruin it... Quote:
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people overreacted when i said that, "maybe she's just waiting for Kazama to die and just win haruto back again"... - i understand that this sounded very evil.. but look here, she respected his decision that he will die and take care of him until that time, so she knew there will be no future for both of them so they will just wait for his death and she'll be available again... now, she returns to haruto and confess hoping for a "yes" (this is what we call trying to win back, and she won)... Quote:
you're so called girlfriend doesnt love you, are you happy with that? as ive said before, if Eba was just honest with kazama, there was no pity date, no break up with haruto, no pretendings... kazama, haruto, eba, kiyomi, and asuka were just happy that time because they considered everything for a dying guy...
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2011-07-05, 09:26 | Link #8075 |
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dude, i provide links to help you understand my points. even it is written in that page, you still won't acknowledge it... and mangafox is a very familiar site. we don't have all the time to write this posts, so we try to write when we are available. if there were misspellings or misuse of pronouns, it is not a very big issue and you can just replace it with those words in your mind... no need to cry over it. when you started insulting a person, tendency would be a payback and expect it to be meaner... now you're acting all innocent and "i reported" stuff, it makes me wanna puke... so, stop insulting then people will also stop insulting you.. if you have problems with my ideas, try to give me the page number or the chapter, i'll look myself... i'm also surprised that it is valid to post an entirely personal attack... again, you started it... and maybe you'll report me again for this and act like the victim... i wont answer any personal arguments from you anymore... feel free to comment on KNIM, not how my grammar and spelling works...
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2011-07-05, 14:29 | Link #8078 | |
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The mangafox thing if you use it without problem all the power too you I've had virus problems in the past I think we can agree to disagree. About the grammer and things, I really dont mind you = u or because = cus the main problem is when I read it and it reads like "Walking back I was fesitival fun" is this walking back to a fun festival? or walking back home from a fun festival? It really does make a difference, It isn't an attack on your ideas, it just makes it hard for me to read and understand your ideas. I read all of my posts I DID NOT INSULT YOU, I Didn't, You openly attacked me with the whole parents thing and then you claimed I started it when I did no such thing. An attack post? I was informing you that I was offended and was assuming you might apologize but instead you act like a kid and say " well he started it " When I didn't Granted the last sentence may have been abit rude but it really is the feeling I get from talking to you. And while I'm here KNIM, while rereading my posts I reread yours and what you say changes as it goes, from Eba is useless, to Eba made a mistake, to Eba unintentionally confused Haruto, Read them yourself if you don't believe me, Then a again for all I know these might just be the misspellings and words I need to fix in my head, either way It shows your points are not very strong. |
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