Utawarerumono Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[sedukshun]

O.O" mikito ....

u no when he "flashbacked"
didnt it look like the future to u...rather than the past :s
coz it was a laboratory and artificial beings (mikoto)
and guns...etc.


ah nvm im confused *runs off for a cup of tea and sleeps*


hehe eruruuXhakuoro is nice...but an awkward relationship

[Zaris]

Originally Posted by sedukshun

O.O" mikito ....

u no when he "flashbacked"
didnt it look like the future to u...rather than the past :s
coz it was a laboratory and artificial beings (mikoto)
and guns...etc.


ah nvm im confused *runs off for a cup of tea and sleeps*


hehe eruruuXhakuoro is nice...but an awkward relationship

Trying to make the relationship viewable for an all-age audience is awkward. = P

Most things are designed for the format that they were intended to be. Adaptations tend to lose stuff for all sorts of fan and legal reasons. For example, Lord of the Rings was originally a book and never intended to be a movie. If the author had designed it to be a feature film, it would've been writen to adjust for certain cinematic qualities (composition, visual/sensory highlights, dramatic buildup). Same thing can be said about turning comic books into film (Spiderman) or films into television shows (Star Wars).

So you can imagine the same thing happening with games (Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children), and Utawarerumono, being an adult game to begin with (porn seems like the wrong noun to describe it O_o ), make conversion even more difficult. Turning this or Fate/Stay Night into a TV show (consider airing restrictions, content control, and the like) is like baking an apple pie and leaving out the apple and sugar.

Touka has suffered the most out of this show imo. There's a lot more to Touka than the chivalrous soldier routine, but it's very likely the show has ran out of time to feature any more of her personality. Even Kurou is more three-dimensional.

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Sedukshun, you're thinking too hard. = P Even Renegade334 has mentioned it already. For a clearer description, I recommend this website and scroll down to #99 and #169 for your answer as to what is going on. This past-future thing is wierd, but be patient. It's really not.

The rest of the website isn't half-bad either.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

#2 also seems to apply... somewhat.

And like what I said earlier, the seconds after the Big Bang must have produced bateria capable of shitting supercomputers.

[Deathkillz]

the past-future thing isnt that hard really (tho i did think of it ) generally just imagine that its after armageddon and life starts again ^^ but this time in ancient periods ppl gain animal features, magic powers and gundams and i suppose hakuoro survived armageddon cause hes a demon

edit: thx for the link...its funny but so true #188 ftw XD

[Kyero Fox]

Darthkillz is right thats basicly how it happened.

[Renegade334]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

the past-future thing isnt that hard really (tho i did think of it ) generally just imagine that its after armageddon and life starts again ^^ but this time in ancient periods ppl gain animal features, magic powers and gundams and i suppose hakuoro survived armageddon cause hes a demon

You're actually correct - this reverse evolution thing isn't that uncommon if you reminisce the revelations made in certain steampunk series like Turn A Gundam or Scrapped Princess - something happens during Mankind's golden age and suddenly they lose all of their technology and are forced to return to a medieval way of life - or even backwards.

However, this time there is a catch - most series feature magic as a byproduct of science or science hidden under mystic traits. However this time, magic and science lived together without seeing each other from the very beginning - i.e. the skeleton awakening when the scientist got shot. The two just mixed at a certain point but science as we know of it ceased to exist right after. The only science-born thing that is still used to this day in UM's world is the Av Kamuu army, but they weren't exactly made for what Kuuya intends to do with them.

As for Hakuoro surviving through the Armageddon (note that in the game it isn't known whether it's a large-scale cataclysm like global pollution, asteroid impact or a plague or simply World War (X)) well, we've already got the answers both in ep23 and from the very beginning...

Spoiler for How did Hakuoro survive:

Mizushima, the scientist (the one who appears in a hologram), addresses the scientist as "Iceman"...
...And in the OP you see something related to ice...heh heh...

Spoiler for Image - big spoiler:

[Sinestra]

Good episode im glad Eruruu over came her doubts and returned to Hakuoro's. That was a touching moment him asking her to be by his side forever well at least the second time was.

My guess about the flashback is after Hakuoro was shot his essence or soul went into the demon. Years and years later some type of Apocalyptic event occured. He was found in the future just someone would discover a mummy except he was in ice hence Iceman". However, unlike his past man has now artifical creatures like the one he named Mikoto basically they are slaves. Im think something else bad happens destroying the people that made them maybe a rebellion afterwards life started over with these half human half animal speading out and forming communties the regular humans did the same till countires were formed. thats my guess. The only thing i dont get is the possible 2 demons but i guess we will find out eventually.

Does anyone think that Hakuoro and the crew are being set up? Would Sakuya and Genjimaru really betray Kuuya?

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

God ... Aruruu wins the award of cuteness ... My heart melted when I saw her playing in the blankets XD

So true so true Aruruu is the little sister i wish i had

[Shiroth]

Renegade334:

I know we're very close to the end.. but don't you think you should place everything you said into a spoiler? I myself know the story and all.. but i'm sure there are many people who want to find out for themselfs.

[Vexx]

Anyone remember "Planet of the Apes" (the original version)? Or about 500 different science fiction stories that have been written along the same lines like
A Canticle For Liebowitz?

I'll call that a hint rather than a spoiler....

[Lost]

Originally Posted by sedukshun

O.O" mikito ....

u no when he "flashbacked"
didnt it look like the future to u...rather than the past :s
coz it was a laboratory and artificial beings (mikoto)
and guns...etc.

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

the past-future thing isnt that hard really (tho i did think of it ) generally just imagine that its after armageddon and life starts again ^^ but this time in ancient periods ppl gain animal features, magic powers and gundams and i suppose hakuoro survived armageddon cause hes a demon

Yep. More people need to watch Scrapped Princess to understand post-apocalyptic. URGGH. I haven watched 23 because I'm waiting for something.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

A comment.

I don't find Oruyankuru very huggable, yet Kamyu doesn't even hestitate. I guess she is the shows second most affectionate character (Aruruu being the first). Let's review--

Aruruu
-Loves her "dad" even though he is a monstrous behemoth
-Loves best friend despite vampirism
-Instantly friends with all sorts of overpowered creatures

Kamyu
-Hugs her very unhuggable dad

[Zaris]

Let's not forget episode 8, where Kamyu jumps for joy at being able to stay at Hakuoro's palace.

Kamyu is crazy emo.

[Lost]

Originally Posted by Cardiac Glycoside

Aruruu
-Loves her "dad" even though he is a monstrous behemoth
-Loves best friend despite vampirism
-Instantly friends with all sorts of overpowered creatures

Crap you just triggered my huggy-emo-fanboy attack. *need to find something to hug* You gotta love Aruruu so much just for being herself!!! Dont forget, she's tsundere too!

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Yarrgh, and Zaris triggered tempestuous emotions upon reminding me of Kamyu and her ample bosom rubbing vigorously against Hakuoro.

Too bad the guy has the sex drive of a dead fish.

[zalas]

Originally Posted by Cardiac Glycoside

A comment.

I don't find Oruyankuru very huggable, yet Kamyu doesn't even hestitate. I guess she is the shows second most affectionate character (Aruruu being the first).

I don't know if that really says anything. I would expect a girl of her age and energy to do that especially if she had no clue on her dad's whereabouts and whether he still lived. It's almost like greeting your father after he had come back from seemingly certain death.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Cardiac Glycoside

Yarrgh, and Zaris triggered tempestuous emotions upon reminding me of Kamyu and her ample bosom rubbing vigorously against Hakuoro.

Too bad the guy has the sex drive of a dead fish.

Touche Cardiac Glycoside a waste of time to even put the pole in the water

[Guido]

My apologies for slacking behind a whole week; episodes come and go at different rates.

Quite a touching episode to further strengthening bonds between Hakuoro and Eruruu; Eruruu's view about the uneasiness that momentarily overtook her heart; but overall, the tidbit flash of Hakuoro's previous past that will answer the mystery connection between Witsarmitea & him and how the world of Utawarerumono came to be.

Spoiler:

Hakuoro must have had experienced a flashback episode about the past, reliving memories that kept dormant within him; now that Witsarmitea is nearly awakened in him.

- An Eruruu look-a-like girl who responded by the number 3510, but whom Iceman named her Mikoto.

- In that distant past there was still future technology, perhaps remnants from an extinct civilization; an extinct human race?

- Then, Hakuoro was the Iceman and most likely the man who was shot in the previous flashback that Hakuoro himself experienced.

- Hakuoro is realising little by little his connection to Witsarmitea but cannot get it yet.

And Dii whatever angle I see him, he's just a bad omen.

Spoiler:

From the farthest point of the world to the most peaceful country, he seems to carry the whisper of death and an air of destruction revolving around him.

And most of important, he's more than meets the eye when growing interested about Hakuoro understanding Witsarmitea awakening.

Another connection perhaps he shares with Hakuoro...

[GundamZZ]

That's about right.

Spoiler:

I suspect he still loves 3510 and mourns for her end. It would explain his incredible ignorace to Eruru's feeling. Everyone, except him, knows Eruru is in love.

[Darklightz]

Ok,so we learned that the world of Utawarerumono is just the result of crazy otaku scientist with a furry fetish?