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Perfect 10 | 1 | 10.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 0 | 0% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 4 | 40.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 30.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 20.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2018-06-28, 14:46 | Link #21 |
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Well yeah but most people are rather accepting of so-called "Bootstrap Paradoxes" because they are consistent. They don't really create stuff out of nothing, or suffer from having the same object follow the same loop while somehow being immune to aging.
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2018-06-28, 18:20 | Link #22 |
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Depends. The same logic used to have some information that ends up not having an origin can be used for something physical that ends up not having an origin.
For instance Rintaro could have received a metal oopa from Kagari, he then could have given it to Mayuri who would later gift it to Kagari who would then go back in time and give it to Rintaro. It's exactly the same thing. If you think it works with information it can work for a physical object too.
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2018-06-28, 18:33 | Link #23 | ||
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Allthough I wonder what whoever kept her meant to do with her, unless they somehow knew she was a time traveler back then the knowledge of it was rare... Quote:
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2018-06-28, 18:38 | Link #24 | ||
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2018-06-29, 05:13 | Link #25 | |
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Yes? That's my point.
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A bootstrap paradox is a paradox, since there is still the problem of the lack of an origin. However, the loop is internally consistent. Physical objects becoming themselves is a lot more heinous than simple information being passed from one person to the next in a closed loop. Because information isn't subject to aging. And the song is supposed to be so very earworm-y that one can't help but remember it very accurately. |
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2018-06-29, 07:06 | Link #26 | |
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For instance in Terminator 2 it turns out that skynet would have never come into existence if a terminator wasn't sent back in time thus providing the technology to create Skynet in the first place. So... where did that technology originated from? If we suppose that there was an original timeline where they created skynet without having a sample of future technology, then the whole theory that by destroying that sample Skynet would never exist falls apart. Granted everything that terminator2 established was then destroyed fixed in terminator3, but that's not what was originally intended in terminator2.
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2018-06-29, 09:42 | Link #28 |
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I wouldn't say that. John Titor (the real person that claimed to come from the future) had a very consistent theory of time travel that involves an original timeline and going back in time only causes a new universe to appear following the many world interpretation. His theory is the only one that solves every paradox, but it has never been shown in any story that I know of because it's simply not interesting. You can't change the past of your own universe according to that theory.
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2018-06-29, 11:17 | Link #29 |
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I don't think John Titor ever made mention of any kind of "original timeline". Anyway, thanks for bringing up John Titor, since his mere existence creates a huge plot hole if you're to believe in an "original timeline".
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2018-06-29, 11:22 | Link #30 | |
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And that theory has been used (before John Titor even showed up, I think), in one of the most popular manga of all time in fact: Dragon Ball. Trunks created a new timeline every time he traveled to the past and could never change his own future/present.
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2018-06-29, 11:33 | Link #31 |
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Yes but time travel in Dragon Ball works differently from S;G. Dragon Ball actually allows for there to be an "original timeline" without messing up causality because there is a clear order of events with time properly veering into a different direction from the moment the first time traveler arrived. And as a result of this, Dragonball never has any time loops. Certain orders of events kind of spiral and go backwards in time, but there is a clear beginning as well as a clear end.
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2018-06-29, 12:35 | Link #32 | |
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2018-06-29, 17:31 | Link #33 | |
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2018-06-30, 13:03 | Link #38 | |
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Still wasn't a terrible episode, but it probably would been off having been done earlier on when things weren't ramping up. |
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2018-07-02, 23:08 | Link #39 | |
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@GDB I mean... there are cyclic theories of the universe with no start point so like... I don't exactly think that's fair.
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2018-07-03, 05:02 | Link #40 | |
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Sorry, but that's hogwash. You can't say it's unfair to call an opinion an opinion because there are theories very tangentially related. |
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