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View Poll Results: Danganronpa 3: Future Arc - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 1 | 14.29% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 2 | 28.57% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 2 | 28.57% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 0 | 0% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 14.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 14.29% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2016-09-13, 12:56 | Link #41 | |
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2016-09-13, 13:01 | Link #42 | |
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But yeah that scene made it pretty obvious she has something to do wwith the agencies in future - that outburst there is more something I would have expected from Junko rather than her. Not that it wasn't obvious enough she was involved from thje beginning - that just pretty much set the deal.
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2016-09-13, 13:56 | Link #43 | |
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I'm smelling bait and switch. |
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2016-09-13, 16:00 | Link #44 | |
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She'd be able to gather information and write it down. Last edited by Dengar; 2016-09-13 at 16:11. |
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2016-09-13, 18:37 | Link #46 | |
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About Ruruka' death.
The fact that her corpse state is different from other victims of attacker might support the idea of different attacker or the attacker was no longer able to hang the corpse up high because he/she lacked of something to do it. Quote:
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2016-09-13, 18:59 | Link #47 | |
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Also now that there is a chance that the entire thing is set at Jabberok - VR also returns as a possibility. As for Chisa's 'corpse' - thats a really easy one to explain: I referred to this a few times already, bu the phase where her body got examined and stabbed are not the same one. Kirigiri could have very well examined Chisa in stupor like sleep while Munataka would have already stabbed a fake corpse. And no she wouldn't have been able to differ it from actual death, depending on the method used to put Chisa into the stupor.
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2016-09-13, 19:47 | Link #48 | |
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For the record I still think Sakakura is the nighttime attacker. As far as the organizer I think I'm down to Monaka coming back from space though... unless despair!Nanami pans out. There's one dark horse I really want to be mastermind but it seems improbable. |
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2016-09-13, 20:04 | Link #49 |
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I think it's very unlikely that there's any kind of 'sleep like death' or 'fake corpse' shenanigans afoot.
Neither of these things have any precedent for existing in the Danganronpa universe, and 'a substance that can make you appear dead while still being alive, and which holds up under the examination of an experienced detective' doesn't exist in real life either (and nor do convincingly fake corpses that stand up to close scrutiny). At the same time, though, there must be something different about Chisa's body -- because Kyoko says after examining her that once she examines Gozu, she should be able to figure out the case. Ergo, Chisa's body must in some fashion differ from that of the other victims', but it has to be a difference which is only apparent, or which only assumes a clear meaning, on comparison. My immediate thought is 'Chisa's body shows signs that her wounds are self-inflicted.' That's something that Kyoko might investigate by checking the other bodies -- because if they have self-inflicted wounds, then it would indicate something entirely different than if just Chisa had them. I'm not sure you can make a compelling case for Chisa actually being alive, because that would require plot devices that have as yet never been introduced into the franchise's canon, but there's a lot of compelling evidence to suggest that Chisa set in motion a chain of events and then killed herself -- including the fact that, as we've been very viscerally reminded in Despair arc, Despairs violently killing themselves is a Thing.
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2016-09-13, 22:56 | Link #50 | |
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I'll concede that Chisa was definitely involved but I still think she was at most the smelly sister in the arrangement. There still has to be a true mastermind out there... |
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2016-09-14, 02:39 | Link #52 | ||
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As Kirigiri isn't a doctor but a detective she wouldn't be able to attest to non-obvious death. Also note that no one ever took Chisas pulse to begin with; There is a good reason pulse is no longer used to determine death, you know. As for the fake corpse - Read DR Killer Killer. Juzou brings a really convinicing fake corpse (#' I couldn't tell the real shit from the fake') there in order to make people think he killed Naegi. OH and fake corpses have happened before in DR 1 as well. Namely by Junko. On that note please remember that people thought the fake corpse was Kirigiri for a long time. The other thing you forgot is the picture which was apparently not there when Kirigiri examined Chisa's body earlier (Note at this point it could have still actually been easily chisa. Because the phases where Chisa got stabbed and examined by Kirigiri aren't the same.) - Later on though Munataka found a picture of Chisa smiling like an idiot with 'it was me *heart* ' on it. Note it says 'me' not 'her' (Least in the translation) . So why again would Chisa carry around that pciture to begin with? It was obviously planted there later on and who could have had the picture other than her? Given how it seems to have been taken with an instant camera likely no one.
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Also, the reason we don't use pulse as an absolute determining criteria for death is because we understand now that brain activity can continue after your heart stops beating (and even then, if there's been no pulse for a significant period of time, we do actually take that as meaning that someone's dead, especially when there are other symptoms such as coldness and a blue tinge -- symptoms Kyoko would recognise) not because of a spate of people faking their own deaths. Quote:
That was a real corpse. That was Mukuro Ikusaba's corpse, killed when she was masquerading as Junko. This is a major plot point in the final two chapters -- and in that case, that real corpse is only confused for Kyoko because Junko deliberately hides its identity by blowing it up, and Kyoko is absent doing other things. How on earth did you miss this. Secondly, if I remember correctly, nobody sees the fake corpse in Killer Killer up close except Misaki, who sees it very briefly in a stressful situation and, critically, neither properly examines it nor is a skilled detective like Kyoko. Juzo displays it for the crowd and then conveniently has it blown up, so everybody else who sees it sees it from very, very far away. This is not the same as an actual fake corpse that holds up under close inspection from the Ultimate Detective. Quote:
We don't actually know that it wasn't there when Kyoko examined the body. That's not necessarily an unreasonable assumption, but it is an assumption. Kyoko has played long games that involve deceiving people or behaving in an outwardly illogical way in the past, and moreover, we almost never see Kyoko take evidence away with her in any of her investigations -- usually she looks at it and then puts it back so that others can investigate as well. Also, it's not necessarily an obvious plant. If Chisa's simply set in motion the events of the killing game, she has no need to conceal her identity. It might even work better if she doesn't, if her main goal is to drive Munakata into despair. (It also says 'it's me', not 'it was me.' Different tenses imply different things, and I'm sure I don't need to explain to you what the difference in meaning is between 'it's me' with a circle around someone's face, and 'it was me' with a circle around someone's face. But to wit: One isn't incriminating, and the other is.)
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2016-09-14, 12:08 | Link #58 | ||
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Anyway I'm back to where I can't decide if Chisa had any involvement. Its plausible she went back to hope side and died sort of tragically. Hrmmmmmmmm. |
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She isn't unfailable either, which was proven the moment she suggested Munataka is the mastermind. Point is: She isn't a physician, and if they have trouble determining someones death without medical instruments why would Kyouko fair any better considering how she is a detective and not a physician? Quote:
Not to forget the Otaku using the blood to (cheaply) fake his own death which technically makes him a fake corpse too. Quote:
I think its time for a timeline (npi) --Sleep time: Chisa 'killed' (- really? With that NG code?! )-- Phase 1: the Hunt begins, Farmer NG --Sleep time: Great Guzou killed--- Phase 2: Tengan dies; Kirigiri examines Chisa's and farmerboys corpses., --Sleep time: Seiko killed-- Phase 3:Guzoou gets examined; Izayoi dies; Examining Izayoi's and Seiko's corpse. Munataka stabs Chisa's 'corpse' and probably finds the pictures there., Juzou dies --Sleep time:Kirigiri NG, Ruruka killed--- Phase 4: Present Not to mention the survivor counter obviously being unreliable in one way or another. Quote:
First: Actually Juzou does see it up close. Second: See the timeline. Third: Kirigrri isn't without fault at all - see her earlier deduction despite better reasoning. Quote:
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The other possibility is of course that he had the pictures before that already, however that would make him the biggest idot in the entire world (see below). Also concealing her identity until the right point works way better than never concealing it in the first place. Quote:
Also note that there isn't just one but two pictures, one namely being a photograph of the children being very alive, in contrast to what Chisa herself claimed. Given her post death/fake death narration unlikely
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