Kanon - 2006 - Episode 24 Discussion / Poll [END]

[radancein]

Warui kedo..

Never played the game and never watched Toei's version. So is there a kind soul who can give a brief explanation of the missing clock scene and reason of Nayuki's sleepiness? Have been avoiding spoilers in the past episode threads, and will be difficult to search through them to find the answers.

[Grey]

Hmmm. I found this final episode to be strangely flat. Rather than heartwarming I could summarize my emotional response as, 'ah, so they really do all recover'.

I guess maybe I find things a bit too rushed? I find myself wishing that Yuuichi had an inner monologue/narration that set the tone and final thoughts on the entire experience. In fact, several times I wished that the show used a narration of Yuuichi's thoughts to set the tone on certain matters, because otherwise I find myself empathetically disconnected from him.

Still, a fun series, all-in-all. Time for me to start peering at the game's story.

[Kinny Riddle]

Originally Posted by Mirrinus

Didn't Sayuri meet Ayu at the beginning of episode 16 in the hospital? From what I recall, both Yuuichi and Ayu went to visit her and Mai in the hospital.

Heh, I find it amusing how Ayu is the only girl to have met every other girl. Makoto and Shiori never met, Mai and Shiori never met, and Nayuki and Mai never met.

Actually, Nayuki and Mai did meet, but only once, and that's in the game.

With reference to the game:

Nayuki
Ayu - a no brainer, of course they met
Makoto - also a no brainer
Shiori - met once and had a chat in the cafe (adapted into the birthday party scene)
Mai - met for one scene

Makoto
Nayuki - pretty obvious
Ayu - only in anime
Shiori - never met
Mai - in one scene only

Shiori
Nayuki - see above
Ayu - met many times
Makoto - never met
Mai - never met

Mai
Nayuki - see above
Ayu - only in anime
Shiori - never met
Makoto - see above

Ayu
Nayuki - pretty obvious
Makoto - only in anime
Shiori - many times
Mai - only in anime

[Klashikari]

meh... everyone forgot when nayuki fell on Sayuri and Mai, in the second episode? ^^" (except if i mistook kinny's words about the "one scene from the game" ~~)

[Mirrinus]

Oh yeah, you're right. But they barely talked or anything, and as far as I know Nayuki was never aware that Yuuichi was friends with Mai and Sayuri, so I'm gonna ignore it. ^_^

[SSJiffy]

I don't find this episode to be lacking since my love of story supersedes the fanboyism cursing through me. The closure provided was better than I was expecting ; having not ever heard nor seen Kanon before 2k6.

Truth be told I was a rock throughout most of the sadder moments of the series. I enjoyed watching this series and look forward to Clannad.

Spoiler:

Just testing the tag :]

[Skyfall]

Hm... saying i was not slightly disappointed with the ep would be lying If there was one thing that was lacking it was atmosphere for some part. Some scenes simply lacked kick. Like Akiko's explanation about Ayu being alive for example.

First half of the ep felt rushed, and they were skimming trough seasons like mad Though i don't mind the change of seasons, and it was nice to see things turning back to normal. Kudos for the Nayuki / Yuuichi conversation in school - a nice touch with the "I can eat mom's jam whenever i want, right ?" - nice to see some aftershock of the accident still being there

But i have to admit - it almost felt like different series with all the positivity in the air In last few (or not so few) weeks the atmosphere has been really heavy. In fact, it has been so heavy the sudden change came almost as shocking As in - was it really that depressing up until now ? ^__^

The change was so noticeable i felt like slapping myself for not noticing the heavy atmosphere that had started to seem like the norm ever since Mai's arc. The descend to a darker mood was blended in perfectly trough the show... to the point i had almost forgotten this show had a light mood at the start, and took the heavy atmosphere for granted. A very good job with building the atmosphere up until now - constantly piling it up, little by little and changing it subtly, instead of dropping a change on us via some incident.

Shiori / Yuuichi reunion scene was nicely done. It was just like i was imagining it would be (under the assumption we would be getting one) - with Yuuichi handing out some half-sarcastic comment and Shiori replying with her trademark line... and an emotional moment following afterwards

It was nice that Ayu didn't wake up just as she was found >.< I was expecting Yuuichi walking in, kneel down beside her, mutter some magical words and Ayu opening her eyes Glad to see that didn't happen.

That said - finding the headband still there after 7 years was a bit hard to swallow Or did Mai The Prophet had a hand in this ? (you don't have to answer to the last sentence).

++ points for showing them taking care of the comatose Ayu. Must be a first in anime. Also + points for Ayu in wheelchair, instead of having her running around on her own.

Looks like Nayuki is back to the supporting and caring girl. *sigh*. She needs some love - she can't just be running around dishing it out without receiving any herself for too long, can she ?

Still can't make heads or tails concerning Ayu's deus ex machine - exactly how was she capable of granting those wishes ? Unless Ayu's dream world had somehow merged with reality, thus giving her "control" over how certain events unfold... without her realizing it - simply wishing for Yuuichi to be happy, and thus the world evolved according to that wish (Shiori getting better, Akiko surviving etc...)

Mishio deserved more than 3 seconds of screentime T.T (in fact she didn't deserve to be forgotten after Makoto's arc)

Ayu with long hair = win
Ayu with short hair = bleh

Overall a very good finish, even if it lacked spark at some moments, and i am sure it is not going to leave an aftertaste in my mouth. Felt a tad more forgettable than i wanted to ^__^.

All is good that ends good
... feels like around 8.5... thus i am voting 9/10

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Skyfall

++ points for showing them taking care of the comatose Ayu. Must be a first in anime.

I can't help but think of...

Spoiler for another bishoujo/eroge-based anime:

Lamune

And also, the point about the change in atmosphere was interesting. The gradual build-up followed by the sudden switch was definitely on purpose. I'd also be interested in seeing how people's feelings about the last episode and the series in general change after re-watching the entire show in one pass, as I think it'd help connect a lot of dots for some. Anyway, interesting opinions all around.

[Rengemaru]

To make it short, it didn't beat AIR but it has became 2nd to it. Although it didn't stir as much emotions as the 2k3 version. But we should keep in mind that these kinda emotions only build up when watching a story for the 1st time otherwise, it won't be as doki doki as it supposed to be. Keeping that in mind, we 2nd timers shouldn't rate the 2k6 ver. while comparing it to the 2k3 ver. because the emotion factor will mess up the whole equation.

I think it's better to hear the openion of close friends whom watched it for the 1st time to get a good understanding of the feelings the last episode built up. For I didn't get that much emotions as I expected. So it's up to the 1st timers to decide!

But in general, another masterpiece from Key and KyoAni. Cheers! (wait isn't this Skane's line?)


PS: Mai + glasses = heart goes doki doki

[Codine]

Wow what a happy ending...everybody got better and life continues on. I was thinking that the final episode was going to be heartbreaking but i was wrong. Now i have to find a new anime to watch every week

[SealedTears]

Spoiler:

did you guys see the end? the new clannad game/anime. dose anyone know if its a new anime comeing out or just a game thats realesed?

<3 ayu! i likted kanon 2006 bether than the old kanon, to bad its at its end
oh well

Spoiler:

btw did u guys notice the fox? in the end, i guess its makoto

[Freeter]

Being a first-timer to Kanon, I have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed Kyoani's rendition. They did a decent job of bringing all the girls' storylines together (having Yuuichi run around like a player didn't hurt either ), and there were lots of comedic and moe moments to be had.

Spoiler:

However, I was never really sold on Kyoani's attempts to deliver the 'tragic' moments. Makoto was shown living on as a spirit on the hill, Mai shoved a sword into her stomach and lived, and Shiori conveniently disappeared along with Kaori after her goodbye. It sort of dulled my senses to the point that when Akiko had the accident, I already knew she would survive. Despite all the tears that Yuuichi and co. shed, it still didn't generate the feelings of "loss" within me, and that dampened the 'miracle' somewhat.

I also wished that Nayuki would have gotten more screentime in favor of Makoto. Yes, real Makoto was a nice surprise, but IMO it doesn't make up for that excessively long arc. I would've liked to have seen more of Nayuki's past along with some of Akiko's.

Nonetheless, this ep was a solid finish, and seeing Yuuichi's harem taking turns spending time with Ayu was great. Can't wait for CLANNAD.

[guuchan]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

The AIR in Summer OVAs weren't "closure" OVAs, they were "in-depth" OVAs.

There's still a chance yet.

That's because having 13 episodes for AIR was such a mistake --- even 26 episodes with a well-written script would be barely enough. I won't insist that there won't be an OVA for Kanon, but I seriously don't suggest you to look forward to one.

[rogueblade]

Wow.
Just...wow.

Single most heartwarming thing i've seen in bloody months. I love how Kyoani skipped straight to spring so we just saw the results and how things had progressed, rather than wait for them on tenderhooks.
But, to be honest, it was just a happy ending. I actually said "wow" when i saw Shiori back - it was such a surprise! I had written her off the previous episode. Still not 100% on what happened after Yuiichi rediscovered the headband and before the adult-Ayu scene, not sure on what that symbolised. Is that Ayu dreaming the scene, or what?

I have loved the series. It was enjoyable from beginning to finish, and didn't have a duffer episode in there - it does seeem that what whatever KyoAni touch, turns to gold. Anyway, with that i delete all Kanon episodes from my HDD, to make space for any new anime that catches my fancy. So, Higurashi 2/Haruhi 2/ Clannad it is then.

[Mirrinus]

I've got a question about this episode, actually...

Spoiler:

When Yuuichi finds Ayu in the hospital, she has the angel doll with her. Does that mean his flashback about Ayu burying the angel doll was false? Was the angel doll that Kitagawa dug up just an illusion like Ayu herself? Or did the real Ayu somehow get the angel doll when Yuuichi gave it back to illusion Ayu in episode 23?

[Skyfall]

Originally Posted by guuchan

That's because having 13 episodes for AIR was such a mistake --- even 26 episodes with a well-written script would be barely enough. I won't insist that there won't be an OVA for Kanon, but I seriously don't suggest you to look forward to one.

Didn't stop them from sticking 2 recaps in those 13 eps though

[Grey]

Originally Posted by Mirrinus

I've got a question about this episode, actually...

Spoiler:

When Yuuichi finds Ayu in the hospital, she has the angel doll with her. Does that mean his flashback about Ayu burying the angel doll was false? Was the angel doll that Kitagawa dug up just an illusion like Ayu herself? Or did the real Ayu somehow get the angel doll when Yuuichi gave it back to illusion Ayu in episode 23?

Spoiler:

My take on it is that the doll was real, and the Big-Spirit-Ayu returned the doll to real-Ayu before 'merging' with her and vanishing. Later, Yuuichi brought Small-Spirit-Ayu the headband, and took Small-Spirit-Ayu to merge with real-Ayu, thus causing real-Ayu to become 'whole' and awaken.

[shaolinx]

hmm, i feel like now is where the real story begins... i mean he didnt actually pick a girl yet. of course, he kissed ayu and said he loves her, but also he married makoto and also said the same to her and mai. This is where the heart breaking and love triangles begin... i really hope for more of kanon to cover this part up

anywho, i felt that this epi was kinda out of place... i guess i was looking forward to more deaths and tregedies. ah well, i prefer this kind of ending anyways xD

[EadTaes]

A Happy End to a very tragic story that cause many tears. How ever as much as i liked episode 24 i am not satisfied with it yet. It probably should have been a 1 hour special to be able to go in more in depth as to the recoveries of the characters and ofve the reasons why. but still a very good series. Get and orver mark ofve 9.5/10. Not a masterpeice but prety close.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by shaolinx

hmm, i feel like now is where the real story begins... i mean he didnt actually pick a girl yet. of course, he kissed ayu and said he loves her, but also he married makoto and also said the same to her and mai. This is where the heart breaking and love triangles begin... i really hope for more of kanon to cover this part up

Yuuichi "married" makoto, because it was her wish, though she didn't know the romantic part of it.
as for mai's case, we can safely say yuuichi used the word "like" in its generic term, especially that he added "sayuri" in the same sentence.

anywho, i felt that this epi was kinda out of place... i guess i was looking forward to more deaths and tregedies. ah well, i prefer this kind of ending anyways xD

as stated earlier by a lot of people, Kanon is much more a fairy tale, instead of a drama/tragedy like AIR.