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Jze0 · 2009-10-16, 18:53

Fast response, thank you.

Riskbreaker · 2009-10-21, 11:15

A couple of questions:

Firstly, during Eva-Beatrice's accession ceremony, it's mentioned that Lambdadelta gave her recommendation for Eva to be allowed to become a witch. Does this process apply to all witch apprentices? And if so, is it ever explained in the VN who allowed Beato, Lamdadelta, Virgilla & Bernkastel to become witches?

Kite22 · 2009-10-21, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Riskbreaker

A couple of questions:

Firstly, during Eva-Beatrice's accession ceremony, it's mentioned that Lambdadelta gave her recommendation for Eva to be allowed to become a witch. Does this process apply to all witch apprentices? And if so, is it ever explained in the VN who allowed Beato, Lamdadelta, Virgilla & Bernkastel to become witches?

I don't think it applies to all Witches, or at least only certain ones. Bern just sorta "poofed" into existence and it's never said if she and Lambda ever had to be recommended (though it seems they didn't). We don't know who recommended Virgilia and I don't think we know who recommended Beato.

maximilianjenus · 2009-10-21, 11:40

Beato recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato.

From what I remember based off novel text, they need a mugen+ witch recomendation, so beato could have recomended evatrice, but lambda delta did it herself. Hanyu might have recomended Bernkastel, but maybe beating lambda delta was enough to skip the recommendation part for her.

vandakiara · 2009-10-21, 12:01

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

Beato recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato.

From what I remember based off novel text, they need a mugen+ witch recomendation, so beato could have recomended evatrice, but lambda delta did it herself. Hanyu might have recomended Bernkastel, but maybe beating lambda delta was enough to skip the recommendation part for her.

I don't think that's always the case... I'd say more but it'd be spoilers, so maybe by the end of EP3 you'll know what I mean...

Riskbreaker · 2009-10-21, 12:10

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Originally Posted by Kite22

I don't think it applies to all Witches, or at least only certain ones. Bern just sorta "poofed" into existence and it's never said if she and Lambda ever had to be recommended (though it seems they didn't). We don't know who recommended Virgilia and I don't think we know who recommended Beato.

Ok, A shame that it hasn't been explained for each of them, it all seemed really interesting... Oh well, nevertheless, thanks for the fast response!

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

From what I remember based off novel text, they need a mugen+ witch recomendation, so beato could have recomended evatrice, but lambda delta did it herself. Hanyu might have recomended Bernkastel, but maybe beating lambda delta was enough to skip the recommendation part for her.

A Mugen+ witch recommendation? Is that mean't to be a kind of organisational type achievement or something?

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Originally Posted by vandakiara

I don't think that's always the case... I'd say more but it'd be spoilers

Please do, i'd like to know!

Marion · 2009-10-21, 12:22

To become an Endless you need

1) Support from the current Endless Witch (aka the soon to be predecessor)
2) Support from an existing witch on the council of the 'Witches Senate' as they call it.

Antera Caramichael · 2009-10-21, 12:23

Spoiler for Witches:

maximilianjenus · 2009-10-22, 21:58

Spoiler for Episedo4 extra tips and witches:

Chrono Helix · 2009-10-23, 10:47

Spoiler for Ep 17:

Jan-Poo · 2009-10-23, 11:02

Spoiler for episode17 answer:

Lemons · 2009-10-25, 01:31

Since her appearance is finally made known:

Spoiler for Ange question:

Tjfarmer · 2009-10-25, 01:35

Ange was mentioned being ill by Eva during the first chapter in the VN. So during the introductions of Battler, George, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, and Kyrie. She was never mentioned being ill in the anime.

Lemons · 2009-10-25, 01:40

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Originally Posted by Tjfarmer

Ange was mentioned being ill by Eva during the first chapter in the VN. So during the introductions of Battler, George, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, and Kyrie. She was never mentioned being ill in the anime.

But that's just poor writing if they come, and mention her in the anime with the drop of a hat, with no other mention of her being sick before that giving us any intel on who she is.

Why would Battler be surprised , and worried for Ange if Beato's magic can only affect Rokkenjima, and if he just mentions her for the first time then? Beatrice can't do anything to Ange as long as she stays off the island, it's not like Battler knows Ange will come to it or not.

SilverSyko · 2009-10-25, 01:47

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Originally Posted by Lemons

Beatrice can't do anything to Ange as long as she stays off the island, it's not like Battler knows Ange will come to it or not.

Thing is though, Battler is the only person in her direct family that is currently living. He feels he has a duty to return to her and take the parental role in place of their now dead parents.

It's not that he's worried that she'll die, he's worried she'll end up growing up with no family.

MarthX · 2009-10-25, 02:57

The anime's official site had Ange listed as Kyrie's child after the first episode aired. It just didn't say her name, it only said child. Umineko is aired for the Japanese demographic not us. They expected the viewer to go there for extra information. You have to go there to see the next episode previews and at the beginning of every episode, it has a text scroll mentioning the site.

The relationship chart list was even translated and posted here numerous times.

Even though they should have mentioned her earlier, there was ways to know without spoiling yourself. Ryukishi07 writes extra TIPS that aren't in the visual novel that may or may not contain important information. The extra information on the site was essentially the anime's version of extra TIPs.

Uchiha Soul · 2009-10-25, 11:59

where is Lambadadelta? i remember the beginning of the 3rd story Beato said that Lambadadelta nominated or voted for Evatrica to become the new one, so she must be her supporter or something like that, i expected to see her in this story? the story may end next epi and she still didnt appear?
i mean she must help Evatrice as her supporter.. right?

Tjfarmer · 2009-10-25, 12:03

Lambdadelta and Bernkastel don't appear much besides some very special scenes, and the Tea Parties, which are those little epilogue like things after everyone is dead. So where she is nobody knows, but next episode the arc will end, so as usual we'll see her in one of the Tea Parties.

lubczyk · 2009-10-29, 03:19

Does Umineko have an ending or conclusion? If not, than I'm dropping the franchise. I can't be left handing in the wind.

Christen · 2009-10-29, 03:25

It will eventually have an ending. The first season of the anime doesn't have it however. The visual novel hasn't ended yet.

2009-10-16, 18:53	Link #461
Jze0 Hmmm... Join Date: Jan 2009	Fast response, thank you. __________________ :: MyAnimeList \| Amigo! ::

2009-10-21, 12:23	Link #468
Antera Caramichael French Maid Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Poitiers; France Age: 31	Spoiler for Witches: Could we say about Witches Hierarchy? After all, it is only revealled in the Ep4 TIPS, so I doubt they will be adapted^^

2009-10-22, 21:58	Link #469
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	Spoiler for Episedo4 extra tips and witches: I would rather have on witch of each hierarchy level to show up in umineko before doing so; so no please.

2009-10-23, 10:47	Link #470
Chrono Helix Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Spoiler for Ep 17: What are Meta-Battler and Beatrice trying to do now? The way I understand it, their game is going to be put on hold until Beatrice can be properly called a witch. What does it take to accomplish that? And Meta-Battler's just going to sit around until she's done? And is there a difference between Meta-Beatrice and Piece-Beatrice? __________________ The Art of Kancho

2009-10-23, 11:02	Link #471
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Spoiler for episode17 answer: To be honest Battler isn't a 100% rational person. Right now he's pissed at Beatrice, and he doesn't even want to see her face. However after seeing "moetrice" so sad he's giving her another chance. He probably doesn't know what this chance entails himself. It is up to Beatrice to find out. When you are angry at someone it's not like you tell him what exactly he must do to make you forgive him. differences between Meta-Beatrice and Piece-Beatrice are not very clear. This goes on the field of mere speculation which isn't meant for this thread __________________

2009-10-21, 11:15	Link #462
Riskbreaker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK	A couple of questions: Firstly, during Eva-Beatrice's accession ceremony, it's mentioned that Lambdadelta gave her recommendation for Eva to be allowed to become a witch. Does this process apply to all witch apprentices? And if so, is it ever explained in the VN who allowed Beato, Lamdadelta, Virgilla & Bernkastel to become witches?

2009-10-21, 11:40	Link #464
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	Beato recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato, whom recommended Beato. From what I remember based off novel text, they need a mugen+ witch recomendation, so beato could have recomended evatrice, but lambda delta did it herself. Hanyu might have recomended Bernkastel, but maybe beating lambda delta was enough to skip the recommendation part for her.

2009-10-21, 12:22	Link #467
Marion The Great Dine Join Date: Feb 2009	To become an Endless you need 1) Support from the current Endless Witch (aka the soon to be predecessor) 2) Support from an existing witch on the council of the 'Witches Senate' as they call it.

2009-10-25, 01:31	Link #472
Lemons Jazzy Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Nebraska	Since her appearance is finally made known: Spoiler for Ange question: I've been wondering for the longest time was the mentioning of Ange being ill skipped over in the anime? Because it seems just inserting her in the third arc, saying "This is my sister Ange" is a bit of fast paced writing that fits itself into a poor downside. Question rephrased where in the VN is Ange being ill mentioned in the first episode, as well for in the anime was mentioned?.

2009-10-25, 01:35	Link #473
Tjfarmer I'm almost there! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area, California Age: 30	Ange was mentioned being ill by Eva during the first chapter in the VN. So during the introductions of Battler, George, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, and Kyrie. She was never mentioned being ill in the anime.

2009-10-25, 02:57	Link #476
MarthX Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 39	The anime's official site had Ange listed as Kyrie's child after the first episode aired. It just didn't say her name, it only said child. Umineko is aired for the Japanese demographic not us. They expected the viewer to go there for extra information. You have to go there to see the next episode previews and at the beginning of every episode, it has a text scroll mentioning the site. The relationship chart list was even translated and posted here numerous times. Even though they should have mentioned her earlier, there was ways to know without spoiling yourself. Ryukishi07 writes extra TIPS that aren't in the visual novel that may or may not contain important information. The extra information on the site was essentially the anime's version of extra TIPs.

2009-10-25, 11:59	Link #477
Uchiha Soul Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	where is Lambadadelta? i remember the beginning of the 3rd story Beato said that Lambadadelta nominated or voted for Evatrica to become the new one, so she must be her supporter or something like that, i expected to see her in this story? the story may end next epi and she still didnt appear? i mean she must help Evatrice as her supporter.. right?

2009-10-25, 12:03	Link #478
Tjfarmer I'm almost there! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area, California Age: 30	Lambdadelta and Bernkastel don't appear much besides some very special scenes, and the Tea Parties, which are those little epilogue like things after everyone is dead. So where she is nobody knows, but next episode the arc will end, so as usual we'll see her in one of the Tea Parties.

2009-10-29, 03:19	Link #479
lubczyk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005	Does Umineko have an ending or conclusion? If not, than I'm dropping the franchise. I can't be left handing in the wind.

2009-10-29, 03:25	Link #480
Christen Endless Nine Artist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In a certain tropical island Age: 38	It will eventually have an ending. The first season of the anime doesn't have it however. The visual novel hasn't ended yet. __________________ Please watch where you post and tag your spoilers properly if it's allowed.