Kamen Rider General Discussion

[justavisitor]

Originally Posted by GDB

Wasn't Weather beaten by Accel Trial?

They had a short fight before where W almost memory break him...

Still Weather pulled up a better fight imo...at least he tried

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

But Solomon was a "final boss" at that time, that means, at that time, Solomon was the most powerful evil being there...

Do we have a better midboss vs final form fight in KR Series (When I say midboss, I mean at that time both sides know there already exists a higher evil being??)

Agito team dealing with El of Earth, El of Water and El of Wind. After El of Water died, the rest decided to collab, got elemental buffs from Overlord.
Actually strong (need Exceed Gill's heel coupled with G3X's Rocket Launcher as bare minimum finisher) and persistent (usually together, steadily increase their kill count, have no qualms interrupting Rider doing finisher so you really have to defeat them as team if you can't defeat them on first encounter)

555 team dealing with Dragon Orphenoch and Rose Orphenoch. Dragon did well against Blaster Form, albeit didn't last long, while Rose never short of trick (he's nearly as strong as Dragon, have wide-area attacks, but prefer hit-and-run as if he's weak without using Delta Gear; more believable CEO than Aruto and Gai LOL) until Arch Orphenoch ate him for nutrients.

Wizard Infinity vs. Gremlin / Wiseman, I think this one count as they seal the deal with Gremlin after Fueki said he won't use Koyomi for power-up and suspecting Gremlin.
Its obviously one-sided as Infinity Jewel is strongest jewel after Philosopher Stone but I consider it good because its kind of entertaining to see Wiseman punch and kick have no effect to Infinity so he forced to use magic, also Gremlin got final boss seat by simply abusing his super speed. First time someone became a final boss simply because he's the fastest to sneak in every opportunity on top of not being picky about method; his downfall happened because he ditched speed build for strength build. LOL.

Another Zi-O, I gave him point for being so dedicated about ruining Sougo life.

[kiak666]

Well, the Charybdis Megid also puts up a pretty good fight against Xross Saber, Durandal and Sabela, even though it's weaker than Solomon.

[kiak666]

Welp, Akaishi gets a power up from Giff, only to lose to Over-Demons using Full Genomix after Ikki bought some time for Hikaru to pull off the Genomix. As if losing to Hikaru wasn't humiliating enough, the weakened Akaishi gets killed by Daiji, whom intends to replace the Fenix Director as Giff's right hand man (so much for Genta's lesson from last week )

Speaking of Giff, Ultimate Revice manages to hold their own against the progenitor of all demons when working as a team. Though when Ikki left to assist the others, Ultimate Vice is immediately shown to be at an disadvantage.

Lastly, man they are dragging the Daiji subplot until next week, though next week's preview did tease a new form for him. Hopefully they'll end this subplot as well...

[Tactics]

As Destream vs. Vail done, we're back to usual confusing Revice.

At this point I seriously questioned if the main writer really have plan when it comes to opposite side.
Akaishi introduced as a maniac-kind of villain, have reveal (by quoting Takeda Shingen) that he's actually kind of smart like the usual mastermind evil, felt Daiji can became his family because both fear of Giff, lose to Ultimate Revice despite all the years in organization, got a power-up, now ended just like that. What's to love about him when his characterization is a mess? Wrote it like this made me suspect they tried to made Akaishi got sad past on last leg in hope making him more likeable after going maniac and going smart not selling him enough.

I'm not really into Hikaru portion in this episode. Suddenly he got attention, people cheered on him, handle 4 mix and defeat Akaishi? How so? Olteca who is still legit bar of most capable user not pushed it to 4 even with Vail. Unwritten rule "Sakura team is the real MC of this series" still applied I guess.

Surprise, suddenly someone got someone else's Inner Demon.

And, yeah, hopefully they ended Daiji sub-plot next week.

[GDB]

Daiji's plot has zero direction, the author just seemingly wanted to combine Kaito and Mitsuzane from Gaim into a singular character who couldn't live up to either of them.

Also, with the exception of Ultimate Revice, none of the characters have any semblance of proper power scaling. They'll get trashed by mooks one week and then beat the crap out of a top tier enemy the next week.

[Kanon]

Akaishi could have been a cool villain if he actually stuck to what he was saying: he agreed to serve Giff in order to save humanity, even it meant becoming slaves. When Giff decided to eradicate humanity, he should have rebelled against him instead of becoming his executioner. Or, in an attempt to showcase Giff's cruelty, be turned against his will into humanity's grim reaper. But nope. He was just Giff's fuccboi.

[justavisitor]

if you look at it from a grand perspective, the pace is not wrong...Daiji is losing his minds->joins back to the team-->fights Giff-->deals with Ikki's memory loss

The problem is, we are at lost of why Daiji is feeling lost, and it affects the overall impression of the show

Ironically, in the last episode, they show how happily and peacefully people are living in that whatever place is called created by Akaishi...they should have shown that many episodes ago with Daiji there!! That will explain why Daiji switched side, and the phrase from Ikki, "I want to get their smile back" will become hollow and useless because ppl are smiling there

Plus, all Giff does to make ppl devolve, at this moment, is to merely take away the inner devil peacefully, the inner devil that no one wants!! Agito does a lot better here...in Agito, all ppl who have the superpower have to be killed, so the main group has no choice but to rebel

They could have done a bit better

[B214]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

if you look at it from a grand perspective, the pace is not wrong...Daiji is losing his minds->joins back to the team-->fights Giff-->deals with Ikki's memory loss

The problem is, we are at lost of why Daiji is feeling lost, and it affects the overall impression of the show

Ironically, in the last episode, they show how happily and peacefully people are living in that whatever place is called created by Akaishi...they should have shown that many episodes ago with Daiji there!! That will explain why Daiji switched side, and the phrase from Ikki, "I want to get their smile back" will become hollow and useless because ppl are smiling there

Plus, all Giff does to make ppl devolve, at this moment, is to merely take away the inner devil peacefully, the inner devil that no one wants!! Agito does a lot better here...in Agito, all ppl who have the superpower have to be killed, so the main group has no choice but to rebel

They could have done a bit better

It can also be viewed as perception, POV or prejudice whatever you want to call it if you ask me. Ikki and his allies view Giff and Akaishi as enemies of humanity and threat that needs to be eliminated. So no matter how much good is done on their side, Ikki and the others still won't accept them. It's like how Daiji just wanted to save the civilians but they throw stone at him treating him as an enemy. Ikki and Sakura were there and couldn't even do anything for Daiji.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

It affects the overall impression of the show

Spoiler for Well, about that ...:

Its not exactly inspiring to begin with.

[justavisitor]

Originally Posted by Tactics

Spoiler for Well, about that ...:

Its not exactly inspiring to begin with.

I am not saying they are inspiring XD....just a very typical plot that could have handled a bit better

[Magin]

All I have to say is, F*CKING FINALLY!

Spoiler for The payoff:

(First, a disclaimer: I overslept and only caught the last bit on Japanese TV)
To make is short and simple, Daiji finally pulls his head out of his ass, gets Kagerou back and is back with the rest of the family. Heck, Revi and Vice even manage to seal Giff back in the portal.

However, what concerns me is that some things were seen floating out from Giff's portal, and I heard "Olteca" in there. Add in that it looks like we have three more episodes left (which seems about right), so although I think today was supposed to be the Big Climax... there appears to be some loose ends that need to be wrapped up or something.

[kiak666]

Originally Posted by Magin

All I have to say is, F*CKING FINALLY!

Spoiler for The payoff:

(First, a disclaimer: I overslept and only caught the last bit on Japanese TV)
To make is short and simple, Daiji finally pulls his head out of his ass, gets Kagerou back and is back with the rest of the family. Heck, Revi and Vice even manage to seal Giff back in the portal.

However, what concerns me is that some things were seen floating out from Giff's portal, and I heard "Olteca" in there. Add in that it looks like we have three more episodes left (which seems about right), so although I think today was supposed to be the Big Climax... there appears to be some loose ends that need to be wrapped up or something.

Nah, Geats only began shooting this month. So, Revice will last until end of August.

And yup, turns out Giff didn't eat Olteca. In fact I also saw the Planarian and Sabertiger Deadman on next week's episode.

On other news, looks like Revice's summer movie form is called Kamen Rider Igarashi, and it appears to be the fusion of the three siblings:

And finally, the Jeanne and Aguilera TTFC Special will feature the return of Izu, Reika, Akiko and Poppy:

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[iko_uwais]

It's already been confirmed by Yukimi's actress that Revice will end on August. Geats like usual, will starts on September

[Tactics]

Spoiler for Episode 44:

Cop Out - The Episode -

Perhaps the first time a rewrite being very obvious in a Rider series.

Giff suddenly can talk and explained he need Inner Demons as food and the reason he attacked is because he didn't want cattle being too smart.
Effectively put another "spin" to details on Revice (Akaishi fear about Giff presence, to the point he retrieved Giff coffin? Inner Demon that no one wanted were meant to be harvested?)

Evility Live is nice repaint form but, yeah, its not a payback if there's no definite struggle and development to begin with.
What's with actually feeling stuck without Kagero all the time? You're technically fine as you resent Ikki (Kagero reason for exist) for not submitting to Giff!
Of course following that Kagero is also pretty cool about working together with Ikki and Vice; it made me realized this month we got fair amount of "there is another way to save Daiji" after last month Ikki and Sakura themselves fine with kicking Daiji ass because "used to sibling fight".

This "fear from feeling bad about my other half" made me wonder if any of writer staffs playing Devil May Cry V (or at least read DMC V: Vision of V) and decide to use it for solving Kagero exposition from previous statement of "everyone need good and evil side" in one swoop, if you know what I meant.



Hiromi, once again, the messiah of this series, able to compete with Holy Live despite not in his prime condition. Also, with Olteca seen (more or less confirmed people eaten were just shelved on another dimension), I guess opinion about what Revice movie trailer implied (ending will be "everyone live happily ever after") is true.

[GDB]

I definitely wouldn't call this the first obvious rewrite. Remember when Vice revealed that he's been protecting the Igarashi family all along, and he likes humans? Also remember when the literal first thing he did after getting a body was try to eat Ikki's mom? And the second time he tried to eat some random passerby?

But yeah, the concept of Daiji's fall from grace was fine, but it was horribly executed from start to finish and the authors were clearly just making it up as they went. Though I guess that can be said for much of Revice.

That said though, for making it up on the fly as they go, it's better written than you'd expect since usually such a writing structure leads to a horrible, HORRIBLE mess.

[Magin]

I said this elsewhere on the net: Revice has fallen into the (apparently usual) KR trend of "35 episodes of plot but have to fill 50 episodes".

My own personal feelings are that the first part where Olteca being the Big Bad was actually well-done and tightly written. But the second half... has been a mess. Or more specifically: both the Sakura/Aguilera arcs AND Daiji's own conflict should've been wrapped up in all of three episodes or so. That would've given more time for characters such as Hikaru and Akaishi to be developed, instead of having there chratacrer growth rushed AFTER thye became Important Characters.

[iko_uwais]

Lol, reminded me of Kabuto. Started out well, began hemorrhaging its plot by ep 36. That was 2006 and here we are now, still facing the same thing

[Tactics]

I called it most obvious because of Giff talking.



I think its more of "what happened when writing this?" if you look at some sub-plot mess, like the one mentioned by GDB and justavisitor.
Personally, Kabuto and Hibiki problems were more understandable as Kabuto passion clearly goes to God Speed Love movie instead (you can think second half of the series doesn't matter compare to movie) while Hibiki got it worse due to actor, writer and director fighting in midst of second half of the series.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Maybe Kuuga, Agito & Ryuki are the only KR shows that truly came out clean by sticking to what they intended to do from beginning to end (with maybe some fillers in between).

Some will say Blade too but I think the middle part is pretty weak.