Hayate no Gotoku manga (raw discussion only)

[Rah]

Well, I gotta run. Gonna be late! >_<

leo, when ya return tell me your findings. Does Capricorn or Virgo fit with Athena?

Wolf, if Athena is a Virgo then you're the same sign as her. But you like Nagi.. funny..

I'm probably mistaken~

Laters!

[Voltorn]

btw,
rah
for ur old post
Nagi has already asked Hayate bout his feeling
chapter 9
(according to Viz translation)
Nagi: "Hayate..."
Nagi: "do you like me (as a lover)?"
Hayate: "yes, of course "
Hayate: "(you saved my life) because you're the most important person in the world to me"

Hayate just "like" her back then :P
but Nagi took it as love.

edit :
plus, chapter 32
(according to Viz translation)

Hayate: "It's alright if ojou-sama dislikes me..."
Hayate: "no matter how much I'm disliked, nothing will change the fact..."
Hayate: "... that I care for ojou-sama"

Nagi took it as "I love you forever".

I think the problem in her mind is
Hayate treats her as a child
and she doesn't want to be treated as a child.
She wants to do *cought* things, *maybe* :P

[Wolfnagi]

Vol,
your here,
are your reading bout Astronomy post?

[Voltorn]

too long
I'm too lazy and busy
could u give me the conclusion/result? 0.0

[Wolfnagi]

Well,
It seems that Hayate is Scorpio,
Nagi is Sagittarius,
Athena is unknown,
and the compatibility to other horoscope,
Scorpio is compatible to Cancer,Aquarius, and Aries

[WildArms]

Originally Posted by Rah

What's wrong with Nagi? Or are you referring to Athena as the first girl, since she is from the chronological viewpoint?

Tell me, who would you like to end up with Hayate, who do you think that will, and who in your opinion most deserves it?

Think of it this way. Hina has already a caring family and is probably going to do great things in life. Ayumu, while not on the level of Hina, also has a good life. While Athena is in the same boat as Nagi, and their lives are both filled with misery. Let's not try to compare their misery, though. Athena has certainly suffered the most until now, but if you pair Hayate with her, Nagi's suffering will just begin, while Athena is just going to continue suffering if left alone.

If looked from that perspective, I think that the most deserving are both of them. For that to happen Hata has to pull some crazy twist...

But maybe not. Some people have labeled them by their symbols. Nagi with the white hat, which is the promise of everlasting protection, and Athena with the ring, which is the promise of growing up together, or perhaps that of being together? Hmm...

*sigh*

*starts up a Sum 41 song: There's No Solution*

WHO DO I WANT HAYATE TO END WITH? nice question!, at this point, hoping this wont be an expected ending, i hope hayate (after all the madness is happening now), starts liking one of the other girls (not nagi or athena), or i wouldnt mind athena either, since i think she is interesting, and different, i wish i could see more of her. Nagi, well i've never seen any love between them, only from nagi's that is starting to see hayate more like a big bro xD or a mother haha...

Originally Posted by Wolfnagi

Well,
It seems that Hayate is Scorpio,
Nagi is Sagittarius,
Athena is unknown,
and the compatibility to other horoscope,
Scorpio is compatible to Cancer,Aquarius, and Aries

Im pisces, what does the future have prepared for me?

How does hayate knows his birth day? THEIR DADS WERE BAD, AND HE SURELY WOULDNT REMEMBER IT (EITHER THEM) AS FAR AS WE KNOW, hayate might come from underground, on a magic haya bean.... lol, that would be a crazy twist

[New/Old]

Well, if it's zodiac signs you want...

Aries - Klaus, Sakuya
Taurus - Robot 8, Ayumu
Gemini - Saki
Cancer - Himuro, Kotaro, Izumi, Kotetsu, Risa, Jirousaburou
Leo - Kaede, Mikoto
Virgo - Wataru, Miki, Chiharu
Libra - Isumi, Shiori, Taiga, Aika
Scorpio - Hayate, Yukiji
Sagittarius - Nagi
Capricorn - Linn, Kyonosuke, Yukariko, Fumi
Aquarius - Sonia, Sharna
Pisces - Hinagiku

That is, if it even means anything.

[Wolfnagi]

Well,
even how bad our parent is (yeah even Hayate's),
the mother at least remember their childrens birthday cause the pain of getting their child out of their stomach is the worst,
the worst pain!!!!!
Unless of course Hayate is adopted.

[WildArms]

Originally Posted by Wolfnagi

Well,
even how bad our parent is (yeah even Hayate's),
the mother at least remember their childrens birthday cause the pain of getting their child out of their stomach is the worst,
the worst pain!!!!!
Unless of course Hayate is adopted.

Soap opera time xD, and nagi is his real sister

[Game8910]

Nagi loses fortune, Hayate saves Athena, Athena adopts Nagi, Hayate marries Athena, Nagi becomes Hayate's daughter. Maria is Athena's sister, Himegami becomes the butler

Everyone has money, everyone is happy

[Wolfnagi]

No,
everyone is not happy,
Nagi's not happy,
Maria's not happy,
everybody is not happy except Athena,
how can you call that an ending!!!
Anyway, going to bed, unhappy,
need to wake up early tomorrow

[WildArms]

Originally Posted by Wolfnagi

No,
everyone is not happy,
Nagi's not happy,
Maria's not happy,
everybody is not happy except Athena,
how can you call that an ending!!!
Anyway, going to bed, unhappy,
need to wake up early tomorrow

Why would nagi be unhappy? she just wants to be with hayate. And maria with nagi. Happiness everywhere i like that ending

[leoblack9]

I'll start with this piece, first pointing out this find.

On the other hand, cardinal signs can also be inconsiderate, controlling and demanding, as they feel their way is what's best for others to follow.

So enumerating each Cardinal related zodiac sign,they would be Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn.

reading more..

Your element: Water
Your ruling planets: The Moon
Symbol: The Crab
Your stone: Moonstone
Life Pursuit: Constant reassurance and intimacy

Vibration: Moody

Cancer's Secret Desire: To feel safe (emotionally, spiritually, romantically and financially)

Description:
Those born under the sign of Cancer, ruled by the mysterious Moon, are one of the zodiac's enigmas. It is fair to say that most Cancers are a bundle of contradictions. Compassionate and caring with friends, family and lovers, yet they can cut to the bone with their jealous remarks and ever-changing moods. Endearingly eccentric on one hand, and on the other, insecure about how others see them. Like their astrological symbol - the Crab - Cancers can appear hard and insensitive on the outside. However, for those of us who know and love a "Moon Child", we understand that deep below lies a softness and sensitivity that makes them so very special...

4th - Cancer, Genitor, Parent House of Home and Family Ancestry, heritage, roots. Early foundation and environment. Mother or mothers as figure. The caretaker of the household. Cyclic end of matters.

BOOM! Headshot!

Athena's a Cancer. Too many coincidental points out there to be proven false.

Hata's seriously modeled most of his characters with the zodiac signs.. I wonder if he'd use this to base off the relationships as well..

Cancer is considered compatible with Pisces[3], Scorpio and Cancer itself.[3] These signs share a watery demeanor and are believed to relate on that merit.

A-tan and Hayate are watery types, seems that Hata based of their relationship on this?

Scorpio is considered compatible with Cancer, Pisces and Scorpio itself

So the FINAL contestants are! Cancer (Athena) and Piscess (Hina)!.... and Yukiji?

more reason to believe this pic..

Spoiler for :

Nah just joking.. wonder how the others would end up.

[Rah]

Thanks to New/Old for providing info on which sign is everyone. I quoted your message and did this. Took me a while, but it's satisfactory...

Spoiler for Crazy Zodiac Thingy...:

Some fit better than others. Judge by yourself. It's scary how well Libra fits, though...

Spoiler for Aries - Klaus, Sakuya:

People who were born in this section of the year have unusually strong will power and great obstinacy of purpose. They are usually born to be fighters in every sense of the world: they have also the greatest ability as organizers on a large scale. They find themselves as the organizers of big schemes (Sakuya is always scheming some prank, and Klaus.. well he tried to do lots of various things, but was unsuccessful) or as the heads of big businesses, and also in the organization and development of countries.

They seem naturally to resent all criticism, and the only way to offset this in them is by quiet logic, reason, and proof.

They are inclined to lack caution, being by nature impulsive and quick in thought and action.

They are and inclined to mike enemies very easily. They are enormously ambitious, as a rule they succeed in life and gain money and position.

Spoiler for Taurus - Robot 8, Ayumu:

Taurus is the sign of practicality and possessions. People born under the sign of Taurus tend to be very patient, practical and dedicated people (She's very patient with Hayate, heh?). Such people are usually very cautious when dealing with people, life and money. They have a curious power of dominating others, even when not conscious of trying to do so.

If they love, they are generous to the last degree, and will consider no sacrifice too great for the person they care for; if they are enemies, they will fight with the most determined obstinacy. But they always fight in the open, for they hate trickiness, double-dealing, or deceit (Fights openly regarding her love interest).

They are easily influenced by their surroundings, and become morbid and morose when trying to live under uncongenial conditions.

They are also too easily misled by their emotions, sensations, or affections.

They have an innate sense of harmony, rhythm and color, and often are very successful in music (Ayumu was taught how to play the guitar by Yukiji - hmm.. Yukiji would fit better here perhaps), poetry and art. Those born in this sign have an ability to become the most faithful, loyal friends. They also make good, patient nurses and healers, and almost all have a keen love of gardening and flowers.

Spoiler for Gemini - Saki:

I don't know enough about her, and I'm not really that interested either. Someone fill this in..

Spoiler for Cancer - Himuro, Koutarou, Izumi, Kotetsu, Risa, Jirousaburou:

These people are remarkably good at accumulating things; indeed, they can be unwilling to throw anything out (Izumi's stuffed animals, especially the one from when Hayate saved her from the dog), even relationships that have passed their use-by date (Kotetsu's love for Hayate). They are generally over-anxious in financial matters, and make great efforts to gather in money (Himuro fits well here); as a rule, they have unusual ups and downs in their early life and so they are compelled to work to keep ahead, but once they get on their feet they keep there. If channeled in the right direction, their enormous sensitivity can become a great source of strength. Once they overcome their touchiness and master their turbulent emotions, their intellect and imagination enable them to become a success in almost anything they undertake.

Spoiler for Leo - Kaede, Mikoto:

The Fire sign in these people is enthusiastic, energetic, and optimistic. Representatives of signs are happy, lucky people (Wataru's mom is good at gambling). Fixed people are stable. They don't like much change. Status quo suits them fine. They will stick to things and get them done.

People born in this period always aim to get above the common herd of humanity, and they themselves in turn are naturally attracted to strong personalities – in fact, they will forgive any fault in the people they like so long as they have individuality and purpose (Nonohara always hits Koutarou, but forgives him when he's about to do the right thing. He even praises him sometimes). They are usually generous, kind, and openhearted, they find it hard to believe ill of others. If injured, they strike back quickly, but they also forgive easily and never hold a grudge.

Spoiler for Virgo - Wataru, Miki, Chiharu:

With a Mercury as the ruling planet, people born under this sign are quick thinking and observant (Chiharu getting the maid job, Miki noticing Hina's true feelings). They define pure modesty; they can't bear to be taken care of, they prefer to take care of others.

People who were born in this period are as a rule generally successful in life. They have keen, good intellects, are very discriminating about those with whom they associate, and in all business matters they have good judgment, and are not easily imposed upon or deceived (Wataru fits well here I believe).

They are usually materialistic in their views of life (Wataru, Chiharu), and analyze and reason everything from their own way of thinking outwards. These people are and attracted to only that knowledge that can be applied usefully. They will happily share this information with anyone, if it confirms their own usefulness in the world, and brings them eagerly out of there shells.

If they develop a love for money they will stick at nothing to acquire it, and this type is often considered cunning and crafty at the expense of others.

In love they are the most difficult to understand (Indeed... Miki... lol), the very best and the very worst of men and women being born in this part of the year. To people born under this sign love is not dramatic, emotional, or sentimental. Love for them is devotion and will include love of family, friends, and those less fortunate than he or she. There is no pretense involved in how they act or what they say.

Spoiler for Libra - Isumi, Shiori, Taiga, Aika:

They are often very psychic, have curious presentiments, and would make very devout spiritualists, theosophists, and occultists, and yet so strongly endowed are they with the desire to reason out everything that their love of exact proof usually overwhelms their psychic powers (Everything here is Isumi... possibly even Aika - We don't know much of her, but she's a kimono wearer as well, aye? She might have some sort of supernatural powers as well).

These people are very good at science, and often spend their lifetime in study and research in some particular subject, again weighing and balancing every side of the question in the most conscientious manner (Shiori who made the Nursing Robot #8, Hayate robot...).

Spoiler for Scorpio - Hayate, Yukiji:

People who were born in this section of the year have great magnetic power, and as speakers appeal to the emotions and sentiments of their public more than to logic, but they sway their audiences as they choose (Both Hayate and Yukiji fit here). They are the searchers of the zodiac and have an insatiable desire for knowledge on every level. From spiritual and intellectual revelations, these people want the edge on everybody else.

In dangerous situations and in sudden crises they remain cool and very determined. Many of the very best surgeons have been found in this period (Paging Dr. Hayate.. lol j/k). Representatives of this sign often become workaholics (I don't think it's related to work, but there's plenty of alcohol whenever Yukiji appears, lol). They drive themselves hard, and usually drive others unmercifully. They despise weakness in themselves or in others.

They always lead double lives one for the eyes of the world and another for themselves.

In business and politics they have clever ideas, but they are best as advisers of others (Good for a butler job, eh?). One of their main problems is that they have a habit to "put off things until tomorrow.

Such people usually excel in settling other people's quarrels and bringing enemies together to shake hands (I can see him being great friends with Midas already. lol).

They have incredible personal magnetism, so no other class of people makes more friends or have more enemies than those born in this period, but their strong personality carries them through like a resistless wave.

Sooner or later, they generally become interested in occult matters, they readily develop unusual clairvoyant powers, and quite often gain fame and distinction as writers, painters or poets. They are natural philosophers, deep students of Nature, and observe and analyze other persons' characters better than any other class.

Usually persons born in this sign have, or make, two sources of income. They often have to go through a great deal of trouble, difficulty and sooner or later success and fame nearly always find them.

Spoiler for Sagittarius - Nagi:

The symbols for Sagittarius are the hunter and the centaur, a mythical half-man, half-horse. This sign symbolizes the search for wisdom; this is the sign of the philosopher and the explorer. They have an appetite for learning and travel (She skipped grades and unless she's in hikkomori mode, she's always on the get go visiting various places).

They concentrate all their attention on whatever they are doing at the moment, and seem to see no other way but theirs until their effort is made (Poor Maria.. always needs to clean up after Nagi's mess.).

They are often the great workers; such people never seem to tire until they drop with fatigue. They would rather learn on their own, through travel and experience, than endure structured classroom environments and routine work assignments (Nagi doesn't like school).

To have an open minded and intellectual curiosity means that these people are willing to learn about other people in an effort to understand them, while being trusting and open. High spirited and congenial, they are a gifted conversationalist, a wonderful storyteller (Mangas - Though only Isumi understands her), and a born entertainer.

Nearly all of them are devoted to music. They often make brilliant musicians. It is also writing, publishing, TV, communications and enterprises where there are many representatives of this sign.

These people are, however, inclined to go to extremes in all things, and make sudden decisions, or change their minds rapidly, for which they may have regrets, but they are too proud to acknowledge their error.

One of their great difficulties lies within relationships. They are completely able to be faithful to two people at once (Is this an ill omen? Hmm...).

Spoiler for Capricorn - Linn, Kyonosuke, Yukariko, Fumi:

People born in January are usually mentally strong, but they are, as a rule, generally aren’t understood by other people (Yukariko: Nagi look, that's mommy's star! - Nagi: No, that's 'insert star name here' - Yukariko: Oh... haha.. umm.. I'm all the stars in the heavens above! / Or something like that. I don't really remember how it went). They are thinkers, reasoners, and usually successful in business or any form of government work. Capricorn is a pushy Cardinal Earth sign ruled by Saturn, the planet of adversity.

They are as a rule very independent and high-minded in all what they do, and detest being under the restraint of others. Capricorns will grind anything that gets in their way down to dust (Oh, that's interesting. Didn't she name Nagi with a similar meaning? To mow down everything in the world or something.. anyone that knows the precise meaning of Nagi's name?). Time is definitely on their side. It gets easier for them as they older. When they age, they cheer up too.

Such people have non-typical ideas of love, duty, and social position, and that is why they are often considered to be "odd" (Indeed. All of them are a bit odd. Fumi being a math whiz, but failing at everything else, Yukariko being just plain weird, Linn a complete pervert, Kaoru... well, I won't go there..), and do not fit in easily with their neighbors or colleagues.

Spoiler for Aquarius - Sonia, Sharna:

They are usually high-strung, and their nerves are generally overwrought. This people often lose control and then say or do things that they bitterly regret later.

They are generally very active for the public good, and often give all they have to relieve the distress of others (Sonia works in a church.. yes? I think she still does even after she was found out to be fake).

Um... Don't know what else to add. I don't know much more about Sonia. And the other girl is still a complete enigma.

Spoiler for Pisces - Hinagiku:

The young Pisces are adventurous, ambitious, impulsive, enthusiastic and full of energy. The Pisces are pioneers both in thought and action, very open to new ideas and a lover of freedom. These people possess a curiously natural understanding, which they do not obtain from books or study. They easily acquire, or rather absorb, knowledge, especially of the history of countries, travel, research, and like subject (Nothing to add).

They are inclined to brood and become melancholy, or to imagine all the world is against them and that they are being made martyrs of. Depression gets them. Because they see life as a mystical whole, they take it as a sign that they're bad people when things go wrong. No other zodiac sign plans the evening on the basis of a reading from a fortune cookie (Nicely shown after she got nuked by Hayate's confession that he likes Athena).

These people are very devoted to their friends or to any cause they take up, provided they feel they are trusted or looked up to. They are generally successful in ail positions of responsibility (Student Council President..), bat at the same time they are not inclined to push themselves forward, and usually wait to be asked before giving their opinions.

All people who were born in this sign are highly emotional (Especially with Masamune in hand). If they belong to the weak side of it, they are easily influenced by the people with whom they are thrown into contact, but if they belong to the stronger side, their emotional nature can lift them up to any height.

In business matters they are really good in dealing with shipping (Hina shipping? LOL! She's 1st place most of the time - Yeah, I know it didn't mean that. Just making fun of it.. ^_^) and trade with foreign countries. Sea captains, sailors of all kinds, also travelers, are often born under this sign.

They will lie to save your feelings, or just to stake out a little privacy for themselves. They don't like to be alone too much, just a little, to get the peace back. They can get addicted to booze, pills, or crackerjacks, so they really have to watch it (OH SHI-! Hayate, hurry and take her as your wife before it's too late! lol).

@leo

You think? I'm a cancer, and I don't see her as fitting that sign. Hmm.. I'll have to read again the EoTW arc, the part in Greece when they meet again, and some other things before I can come up with something more fitting.

What do you think about Mikado? I'm thinking Aries.

I wonder if Hata is subscribed to a daily horoscope. Lol...

Well, if we do base things on this, then a Hayate x Nagi is impossible, or at least highly unlikely since they're so incompatible...

Reply already dammit! Nuff of this editing charade!

[leoblack9]

I'm wondering about who owns that libra type gem.

Right now, we don't know if A-tan is cancer or not because we don't know her that much yet, but the signs are there, and lots of coincidences. Wait till she warms up and destroys the other rivals in the harem..

[Rah]

I wonder what sign is Midas. LOL

The owner of that "Libra type gem" as you call it is the garbage can as of now.


Okay, but seriously, what do you mean by owner? There are 12 zodiac signs, but 9 gems, yes? I really have no idea how many there are... >_<

What would it matter who the owner was? Midas made them when he was alive...

Originally Posted by leoblack9

So the FINAL contestants are! Cancer (Athena) and Piscess (Hina)!.... and Yukiji?

more reason to believe this pic..

Spoiler for :

Nah just joking.. wonder how the others would end up.

Now that's just wrong!!

[Lisemer]

Maybe a few stones were destroyed in the past, and from 12 now are 9 o less left...

[Rah]

Originally Posted by Lisemer

Maybe a few stones were destroyed in the past, and from 12 now are 9 o less left...

Yeah, maybe so.

Ummm, okay.. so.. let's see...

You say that the one Nagi broke was a Libra sign? Does Libra have anything to do with guidance? Revelation? You know.. it's supposed to open the path to the RG, but wait.. Hayate also did that by some mysterious means.

Guess I'm off track again.

[leoblack9]

Well I don't know much about the gems really, because I skipped those chapters and weren't able to read much about them. All I noticed is that the gem had a zodiac sign and it just made me go find something about it, poof! It became Coincidence!

Going back to the compatibility part..
Scorpio is compatible with Cancer and Pisces.. Hayate go with polygamy! Today's threesome tuesday! or thursday.. whenever.

A'rightie, got to go.

[Rah]

Compatible with Cancer you say?

Cancer - Himuro, Koutarou, Izumi, Kotetsu, Risa, Jirousaburou

PERFECTION! Hahahahahaha!!!

Well, we have Izumi here. Any chance she gets converted into a main character in case HnG lasts another 500 chapters, and ends up with Hayata-kun? xD

I wonder if Athena really is a Scorpio compatible sign. What if she isn't and Hayate still ends up with her, or with Nagi even?

I feel that Hata is just messing around with us. It would be too easy to predict this way! He probably thought that someone would try to do so, and changed things a bit... hmm..

Naw, he probably doesn't really care bout that. I'm just over thinking things again.

Kay, I'll go as leo went as well. Beddy time~ lalala