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Old 2016-08-21, 10:28   Link #81
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It's disappointing that Eiji Nobunishi didn't stay at the baseball club after it was resumed, but it can't be helped since he's responsible for that bullying incident that suspended their activities.

Meanwhile, Takumi Harada's pitching has its limits... or should I say that Gou Nagakura couldn't handle his faster pitches as he couldn't catch it firmly.
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Old 2016-08-21, 12:54   Link #82
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Not sure what this has anything to do with the discussion we were having, but I'll just say that much of what you say in the post above is akin to victim blaming.
Not sure how holding what is essentially a selfish person accountable for his selfishness is called victim blaming. I think Pen3 is spot on with his/her assessment of a double standard you're setting for the protagonist. Pen3 is absolutely correct in saying "he's lucky to have some talent"...because without that talent, it's apparent that he would not be making progress with any of his social contacts outside of his family with that attitude of his.
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Old 2016-08-21, 14:10   Link #83
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Not sure how holding what is essentially a selfish person accountable for his selfishness is called victim blaming. I think Pen3 is spot on with his/her assessment of a double standard you're setting for the protagonist. Pen3 is absolutely correct in saying "he's lucky to have some talent"...because without that talent, it's apparent that he would not be making progress with any of his social contacts outside of his family with that attitude of his.
I'm calling it victim blaming because we're talking about someone that seemingly has a history of being uncomfortable of being touched and then having someone physically intrude upon him. Someone who just got physically abused by multiple teammates 2 or so years older than him, and then blaming him for having the audacity of having an averse reaction for someone touching him not all that long after.

I'm calling it victim blaming because apparently having the audacity to want to practice and having his own discretion, and *gasp* wanting to keep to himself is for some reason that I can't fathom calling for himself to be bullied.

And I can say the same about just about every character being selfish. The mom is selfish because even as she's well aware of her son's, can we call them disabilities?, she keeps pushing solely because she has a need of self-acknowledgement.

Heck the main guy who bullied Takumi doesn't give a rat's ass about the team, he only cared about his comfort and his resume. Calling practices early, not caring about the improvement about the team, going through the motions. At least Takumi wanted to keep practicing... and we're going to talk about teamwork? All they were worried was about losing their starting position, if that at all.

And on and on...

Whatever.
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Old 2016-08-21, 15:54   Link #84
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I'm calling it victim blaming because we're talking about someone that seemingly has a history of being uncomfortable of being touched and then having someone physically intrude upon him. Someone who just got physically abused by multiple teammates 2 or so years older than him, and then blaming him for having the audacity of having an averse reaction for someone touching him not all that long after.
Nobody is blaming him for the bullying he just received. He is and has been since the beginning of the series extremely disrespectful to his mother. You can't control other people's actions, but you are in control of your own actions. The belligerent manner in which he reacted to his own mother touching him affectionately is on him and him alone.

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I'm calling it victim blaming because apparently having the audacity to want to practice and having his own discretion, and *gasp* wanting to keep to himself is for some reason that I can't fathom calling for himself to be bullied.
Lets be honest here. You can't play a team game and "want to keep to yourself" or "practice at your own discretion". That is a lot of what the conflict and drama of this series is about.

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And I can say the same about just about every character being selfish. The mom is selfish because even as she's well aware of her son's, can we call them disabilities?, she keeps pushing solely because she has a need of self-acknowledgement.
Need of self-acknowledgment? That sounds like a lot of deflection to me. She is behaving like a concerned mother, irrational or not. If we had to pick who's behavior deviated from social norms more, it would be him and not his mother.

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Heck the main guy who bullied Takumi doesn't give a rat's ass about the team, he only cared about his comfort and his resume. Calling practices early, not caring about the improvement about the team, going through the motions. At least Takumi wanted to keep practicing... and we're going to talk about teamwork? All they were worried was about losing their starting position, if that at all.
Not sure if we're watching the same series. The guy who turned into a bully did so because Takumi was the total opposite of a team player, whereas for the bully's entire jhs career, he bought into the coaches teachings and placed the team first. That much was spelled out in dialogue.

Takumi wanted to keep practicing for his own personal benefit, not in the interest of his team. I don't know where you get any perception that Takumi is a team player. Almost every single action and dialogue that has come out of his mouth has been for selfish and personal interest. He refuses to listen to the coach, he refuses to listen to his battery-mate. When he offends and upsets Go, he thinks it's perfectly acceptable and that Go will be willing to play catch with him regardless.

In fact, the premise of this entire series is Takumi's anti-social personality and the unwillingness to buy into the team concept. And it's quite obvious that this is the "how fun it is to play ball" aspect that the grandfather and coach are trying to instill in him.
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Old 2016-08-21, 16:16   Link #85
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I'm calling it victim blaming because we're talking about someone that seemingly has a history of being uncomfortable of being touched and then having someone physically intrude upon him. Someone who just got physically abused by multiple teammates 2 or so years older than him, and then blaming him for having the audacity of having an averse reaction for someone touching him not all that long after.
Nobody is blaming him for the bullying he just received. He is and has been since the beginning of the series extremely disrespectful to his mother. You can't control other people's actions, but you are in control of your own actions. The belligerent manner in which he reacted to his own mother touching him affectionately is on him and him alone.

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I'm calling it victim blaming because apparently having the audacity to want to practice and having his own discretion, and *gasp* wanting to keep to himself is for some reason that I can't fathom calling for himself to be bullied.
Lets be honest here. You can't play a team game and "want to keep to yourself" or "practice at your own discretion". That is a lot of what the conflict and drama of this series is about.

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And I can say the same about just about every character being selfish. The mom is selfish because even as she's well aware of her son's, can we call them disabilities?, she keeps pushing solely because she has a need of self-acknowledgement.
Need of self-acknowledgment? That sounds like a lot of deflection to me. She is behaving like a concerned mother, irrational or not. If we had to pick who's behavior deviated from social norms more, it would be him and not his mother.

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Heck the main guy who bullied Takumi doesn't give a rat's ass about the team, he only cared about his comfort and his resume. Calling practices early, not caring about the improvement about the team, going through the motions. At least Takumi wanted to keep practicing... and we're going to talk about teamwork? All they were worried was about losing their starting position, if that at all.
Not sure if we're watching the same series. The guy who turned into a bully did so because Takumi was the total opposite of a team player, whereas for the bully's entire jhs career, he bought into the coaches teachings and placed the team first. That much was spelled out in dialogue.

Takumi wanted to keep practicing for his own personal benefit, not in the interest of his team. I don't know where you get any perception that Takumi is a team player. Almost every single action and dialogue that has come out of his mouth has been for selfish and personal interest. He refuses to listen to the coach, he refuses to listen to his battery-mate. When he offends and upsets Go, he thinks it's perfectly acceptable and that Go will be willing to play catch with him regardless.

In fact, the premise of this entire series is Takumi's anti-social personality and the unwillingness to buy into the team concept. And it's quite obvious that this is the "how fun it is to play ball" aspect that the grandfather and coach are trying to instill in him.
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Old 2016-08-21, 17:08   Link #86
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Nobody is blaming him for the bullying he just received.
Actually, the person I was arguing prior to you pretty much did.

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He is and has been since the beginning of the series extremely disrespectful to his mother. You can't control other people's actions, but you are in control of your own actions. The belligerent manner in which he reacted to his own mother touching him affectionately is on him and him alone.
This applies to the mother as well who should know better. In fact, her father has admonished her quite a few times already for HER behavior. And she keeps brushing it off. Of course, she keeps doing the same mistake since doesn't want to learn or understand her son. Not in a way that really matters and is acceptable for her.

It really seems that the grandfather is the only character who actually understands Takumi at all, and props to the coach for actually TRYING to understand him, and taking advice to heart.

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Lets be honest here. You can't play a team game and "want to keep to yourself" or "practice at your own discretion". That is a lot of what the conflict and drama of this series is about.
Not sure what the point you're trying to make... I was pointing out that non of that is reason enough to get bullied, physically abused.

I also think you're vastly underestimating the different amount of personalities that get into team sports.


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Need of self-acknowledgment? That sounds like a lot of deflection to me. She is behaving like a concerned mother, irrational or not. If we had to pick who's behavior deviated from social norms more, it would be him and not his mother.
The mother is well aware of Takumi's social problems, his problems with people touching him, etc., etc. But for some reason she needs to feel acknowledged, needs her feelings of love reciprocated, so she keeps pushing and touching a person that wants none of that. That's completely selfish in my view.

She's the one in position of power, she's the one that is the parent and should know better. She's the one not respecting one's boundaries.


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Not sure if we're watching the same series. The guy who turned into a bully did so because Takumi was the total opposite of a team player, whereas for the bully's entire jhs career, he bought into the coaches teachings and placed the team first. That much was spelled out in dialogue.
Oh, I'm watching. I guess you didn't care much for his speech about this being merely a stepping stone for the future, about how it'll look good on his resume, how he's indifferent about baseball. He had no motivation to get his team to be good, it was simply good enough to just be part of it.

That's a loser right there.


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Takumi wanted to keep practicing for his own personal benefit, not in the interest of his team. I don't know where you get any perception that Takumi is a team player. Almost every single action and dialogue that has come out of his mouth has been for selfish and personal interest. He refuses to listen to the coach, he refuses to listen to his battery-mate. When he offends and upsets Go, he thinks it's perfectly acceptable and that Go will be willing to play catch with him regardless.

In fact, the premise of this entire series is Takumi's anti-social personality and the unwillingness to buy into the team concept. And it's quite obvious that this is the "how fun it is to play ball" aspect that the grandfather and coach are trying to instill in him.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said that Takumi was a team player. I'm just calling out that the bully wasn't a team player either. Takumi though has more interest in seeing the team succeeding (because he selfishly wants to win), while the other wants to have an easy time of it, indifferent, wants simply the resume.

The problem here is that while Takumi is selfish and has his own personal interests, at no point in time has he actually been an obstacle to anyone, other than you know, players who are worse pitchers than him since he'll be taking their position.

Also, you're completely micharacterizing the scene about wanting more practice. It was a call for the team to practice more and get experience in rain (when it was barely even raining). He can practice by himself anytime he wants, if that was the case, he wouldn't have made a fuss out of it. He simply called out his "senpais" for not taking practice seriously. Anyways, this is all besides the point.
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Old 2016-08-23, 09:15   Link #87
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Back-and-forth about attitude, blame, personality aside...

I'm more interested in why Takumi seemingly didn't try his best in his last pitch, which is the only reason why I'd think Go would be mad afterwards, and along those lines what role did Go being shaky played into it. Of course, Go didn't manage to catch the best pitch Takumi threw, so I wonder how much that played into it as well... but Takumi seemed more taken a back when he saw Go's hand shaking.
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Old 2016-08-23, 10:55   Link #88
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I thought he didn't throw his best pitch because he was afraid Gou wouldn't be able to catch it after he already messed up the first time. That could have shattered his confidence. Unfortunately, Gou noticed and naturally feels insulted. Not to mention they lost their chance to get a match with the other team.
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Old 2016-08-23, 11:22   Link #89
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I thought he didn't throw his best pitch because he was afraid Gou wouldn't be able to catch it after he already messed up the first time. That could have shattered his confidence. Unfortunately, Gou noticed and naturally feels insulted. Not to mention they lost their chance to get a match with the other team.
Seems spot on.

Looking forward to seeing how that plays out. Also curious to see if the batter noticed or notices now in this upcoming exchange that Takumi didn't pitch him his fastest.
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Old 2016-08-25, 21:54   Link #90
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Damn, Gou kind of lost it this episode..really wish he didn't use his fist to do the talking at times especially when it comes to Takumi.

Takumi and Gou still has quite a bit of drama around each other even though the show has reached the half way point now. I expect an actual game eventually rather than exhibition match soon.
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Old 2016-08-25, 23:20   Link #91
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Damn, Gou kind of lost it this episode..really wish he didn't use his fist to do the talking at times especially when it comes to Takumi.

Takumi and Gou still has quite a bit of drama around each other even though the show has reached the half way point now. I expect an actual game eventually rather than exhibition match soon.
I've loved this show so far, but I have to admit it's getting over-dramatic particularly for middle school kids.

Hope this game gets interesting.
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Old 2016-09-01, 23:09   Link #92
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So it looks like Go's doubts continuously to grow in this series in particular about being the catcher for Takumi.

I don't like Shun much, he's the type of guy that seems to stir up trouble for the hell of it. The game itself was even interrupted so..maybe a rematch some other time? He really has that nickname directed at Takumi huh? "Princess".
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Old 2016-09-02, 09:46   Link #93
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I'm starting to get seriously bored with this show. The drama is superficial at best, and none of the characters are particularly likable. I thought it'd be something similar to Adachi's works, but it doesn't even being to scratch their depths.
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Old 2016-09-02, 10:30   Link #94
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Episodes 7 and 8:
Well, Takumi Harada managed to strike Shugo Kadowaki, but his pitching turned worse that Yokoteni scored a run.

Whether it's something to do about his strained relationship with Gou Nagakura or he's just gave up to the pressure of making a no-hitter, I have to say that Takumi's performance at the mound was pathetic!
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I'm starting to get seriously bored with this show. The drama is superficial at best, and none of the characters are particularly likable. I thought it'd be something similar to Adachi's works, but it doesn't even being to scratch their depths.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Looks like we got a casual game this episode.

Kadowaki and Shun got into a big argument. I think it's because Kadowaki fears about his potential being ignored because of Takumi and Shun is very straightforward with his words.

I hope we get a game soon with two more episodes left.
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Episode 9:
And I thought that Takumi's relationship with Gou has gone bad, it turns out that Shugo got a bit of a fight against Shunji for mocking him!

Damn, I fear that the official game between Nitta East and Yokoteni won't happen now that the latter has a serious problem!
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Old 2016-09-15, 16:50   Link #98
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Damn Amazon for their lack of subtitles on this week's episode. The episode is up, but no subtitles.
They're really not doing this well.
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Damn Amazon for their lack of subtitles on this week's episode. The episode is up, but no subtitles.
They're really not doing this well.
Maybe they finally fired the translator? It was seriously cringe-worthy seeing "-san" translated as "Mr./Ms." in every instance, even when the adults were talking about the kids. It was as if they just hired someone who learned Japanese culture from Japanese for Dummies:
"-san" = "Mr./Ms.", nod and move on.
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Any news on what happened to the translator for BATTERY? Since BPD Renegade said that he/she might be fired, Netflix should find a replacement soon.
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