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Perfect 10 | 44 | 51.16% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 25.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 12.79% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 6.98% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.16% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.16% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-02-19, 20:48 | Link #223 | |
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2013-02-19, 20:55 | Link #224 | |
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And not every criminal has a psycho pass reading like Makishima. But yet we've seen plenty of other criminals in the series who've shown deviant behavior. I don't think Urobuchi is saying every criminal we've seen in the series is a psychopath.
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2013-02-19, 21:28 | Link #225 | ||||
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* one a side note it's interesting you brought up Thomas Hobbes in Psychopass him being an advocate of individual rights & freedom. I also don't agree on the humans are naturally chaotic & violent though, but i believe everyone haas it in them & can be (depending on circumstances) Quote:
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2013-02-19, 22:01 | Link #227 |
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Considering that it's Urobutcher who wrote this, it's more likely that Akane will sacrifice herself by giving up her brain to Sybil to make it an ultimate system where everything will be judged fair-and-square without leaving human compassion.
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2013-02-20, 03:15 | Link #230 |
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This is another reason why I hate it when people use "This is a classic case of X".
People suddenly put a label on it. People are not things to be labeled. And I especially don't like to see people slapping labels on stuff if they don't actually know what the label means. |
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2013-02-20, 05:45 | Link #232 | ||
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I am seeing a few people in this thread talking about psychopathy diagnoses as arbitrary and with no biological basis behind it, which makes me wonder if they have seen some of the research on the topic over the past few years, which has found specific brain differences between criminals diagnosed with psychopathy and healthy people and criminals not diagnosed with psychopathy. This is the most recent study I'm aware of.
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2013-02-20, 08:26 | Link #233 | |||
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Well, one can always fall back to the "they're all psychopaths" argument, but such was truly the case, I would find that stupid and very disappointing. Quote:
In the end, lack of empathy can either be a result of a drastic difference in values and ideals, a difference in brain structure, or both. For now, there's no real way of telling which kind Makishima has, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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2013-02-20, 08:57 | Link #234 | |
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What I find interesting about Makishima is his underlying charm, control and the fact that he can fit so well into society (to even get a job as a teacher) They might not be a medically agreed upon definition but look up psychopath and you will see this is a general idea of what a psychopath is. Which is why I am pointing out there is a difference between medically diagnosing someone and discussing a fictional character. I understand when people say there might be no medical basis for these things but writers don't necessarily use medical basis to write their characters. On another note I don't really think the term itself is important again I only think it is because of the title. Although I think the title has more to do with who is part of the system than Makishima.
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2013-02-20, 09:00 | Link #235 | |
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You said you wanted people as cogs in a machine. What's wrong with psychopathic cogs if they are still cogs? What were you expecting?
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2013-02-20, 10:39 | Link #236 | ||
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Makishima hasn't gone beyond empathy, his brain is just too stupid to comprehend it. Quote:
I think some people are just really hung up on this image of Makishima as this aloof intellectual philosopher genius ubermensch deliberately fighting against the system, and don't quite wanna come to terms with the fact that he's like this because something about him is fundamentally broken, and that he'd not really act any differently no matter what society you put him in.
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2013-02-20, 12:56 | Link #237 | |
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Had your point been about ASPD to begin with, there would've been no problem though. |
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2013-02-20, 15:35 | Link #239 | |||
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I have also discussed at length as to how I happen to admire how Sybil works as a system. To be precise, it's how it can continuously improve itself as a system that makes it so powerful. The key to such would be a system with a wide diversity of perspectives that doesn't discriminate between people. Quote:
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2013-02-20, 15:42 | Link #240 | |
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I still fail to see Sybil as anything special once the curtains are pulled away. They are just politicians making decisions. Except no one knows that it is humans and not a computer that's making the call. The Sybil system could have been flesh humans sitting around a round table and it wouldn't have made a difference to the results.
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