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[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Stop fucking acting like the leftwingers are perfect little angels.

There are no leftwingers in America. To even claim there are any is silly.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

It was to be expected since in his prior twit he said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...58915206152193

He again back-pedaled on accepting the Russians interfered on the 2016 presidential election, so he is creating this smoke screen about Iran. If this creates another war on the middle east, he is just continuing the tradition other Republican presidents have upheld.

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump/

I was shown this today; you might have some fun as it is quite pertinent to this thread.

trump tactical of "fight fire with fire" or to change peoples target make even worst twitter attacks another other place to make sure peopels will forget about his "previosu crap while busy

Originally Posted by Key Board

Give Unions back their negotiating powers.
Make companies take care of their employees
Undo the damage corporate deregulation has caused

There's a reason why South Korea, Japan and Germany (and not China) make our electronic parts.
They invest in their middle class, and don't go "ewwww big government socialism"

if rust belt workers still vote GOP because "gun rights", "religious values" and "ewwww commies aren't American" that so be it. They are not needed.

i can't speak for germany cuz i never was interested on it but for sure, both south korean and japan are not a "good exemple of place" when comes to "fairness" specially at job and even more compared with china, both japan and south korean have high suicide rates exactly due to "overwork" and borderline slavery condtions in many cases (specially works on factories), with peoples working like 16 to 24h and high social pressure even on schools and really strong issues toward bullying, that countries dos have a lot of issues themselfs and they are not the "heaven" whcih yoy maybe are thinking specially in work conditions.

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by Key Board

It's not even on the same weight!

You have SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION
You have LITERAL NAZIS running for office position. Go ahead check the news. See which GOP candidates are actual Nazis.
You have people being KILLED every day for being minorities, literally and subtely

What the heck did antifa/blm/sjw/(insert) even do that's equal to that!!??

Turn away some politicians from restaurants?
Kneel for the national anthem?
Having gay people in games and movies?
Whining on tumblr because someone drew a fan art the "wrong" way?

Yeah, totally on the same level!

You see, this is what you get when you have a generation of people subscribing to South Park's "oh but both sides are equally wrong" nonsense.

Well Antifa does regularly assault people and send death threats. It's still not there though compared to far right shit though.

But then again, I certainly would say there are issues. Like: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8445021.html

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Please, tell us whats your plan to win back rust belt workers? Excluding them worked out so Well!

What's yours? Tell them it's ok to be a racist, homophobic bigot? Then what's the point of winning them over?

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

What's yours? Tell them it's ok to be a racist, homophobic bigot? Then what's the point of winning them over?

Wow, no use discussing with you if you coming at me with that kind of assumption. What part of me being a old school leftist didnt you understand?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Wow, no use discussing with you if you coming at me with that kind of assumption. What part of me being a old school leftist didnt you understand?

The part where you want to deny that racial problems ever happen for fear of hurting "rust belt voters"' feelings.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

The part where you want to deny that racial problems ever happen for fear of hurting "rust belt voters"' feelings.

Thats very sad of you if you think of me as a racism apologist, I am of the opinion that the matter of race and racism wouldnt be such a tumor in public debate if you give people decently paid jobs in the first place. Fixing racism will not fix a job market in shambles, making people nicer to everyone will not bring food to the table. Push for entrepeneurship, renewable energy, offer training in new sectors, etc..

[Eisdrache]

You are arguing about two different things. You can and should fight against racism AND (try to) fix the job market at the same time. Your attitude heavily implies that racism should be side-lined until all these things you listed are done.

[Ithekro]

Can't fight one until the underlining problem is resolved. Otherwise people just look for something to blame and race has almost always been the easiest crutch to go with. That or religious prosecution.

[Archon_Wing]

I think the problem is focusing on shooting the messenger.

Just because some SJWs got angry over pronoun usage does not mean transgender issues aren't real.

Just because white people have been accosted because they wore dreadlocks due to some idiot overreacting, doesn't mean racism doesn't exist.

And just because Anita Sarkeesian is just looking for publicity doesn't mean feminism isn't invalid.

Assholes can be right too.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

... doesn't mean feminism isn't invalid.

IMO it is. Hold your horses, I do not mean we should return to the ages where females were slaves sold to marriage in everything but name. What I mean to say is that we should strive for a society with equal opportunities for both genders. The way I see it feminism is what has bring us the new comics where female characters are not sexy or the new Netflix She-Ra cartoon aka classic Ben 10 in drag.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

You are arguing about two different things. You can and should fight against racism AND (try to) fix the job market at the same time. Your attitude heavily implies that racism should be side-lined until all these things you listed are done.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Sheba

Thats very sad of you if you think of me as a racism apologist, I am of the opinion that the matter of race and racism wouldnt be such a tumor in public debate if you give people decently paid jobs in the first place. Fixing racism will not fix a job market in shambles, making people nicer to everyone will not bring food to the table. Push for entrepeneurship, renewable energy, offer training in new sectors, etc..

My point is that if your kneejerk reaction, when racism or some other form of bigotry is mentioned, is to tell the speaker to shut up about his problems because we need to appease <insert demographic here> in the name of some political expediency then:
1. you are very much part of the problem
2. you're actually insulting the demographic you're trying to appease. Unless that demographic is "racists", but in that case, read point 1 again.
3. it won't work anyway. No reasonable political movement is going to out-racist literal Nazis, and refusing to talk about it won't fool anyone. It just throws minorities under the bus.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Can't fight one until the underlining problem is resolved. Otherwise people just look for something to blame and race has almost always been the easiest crutch to go with. That or religious prosecution.

Eh. Whatever "problem A" is, one can always - especially if one isn't directly affected by it - find some other problem to deem more important or fundamental. It's not having priorities, it's just refusal to deal with "problem A". (Which is fine. I don't mean everyone has to be concerned about everything. I'm just saying we should be honest with each other and, more importantly, ourselves.)

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

IMO it is. Hold your horses, I do not mean we should return to the ages where females were slaves sold to marriage in everything but name. What I mean to say is that we should strive for a society with equal opportunities for both genders. The way I see it feminism is what has bring us the new comics where female characters are not sexy or the new Netflix She-Ra cartoon aka classic Ben 10 in drag.

Honestly, art has to evolve, and some of that is going to be in different experimental counter-directions. It doesn't really surprise me at all that, in reaction to the rise in popularity of anime and anime-inspired art in the West (with the prominence of really attractive-looking and often-sexualized characters), you'll have a counter-trend among artists that goes in the complete opposite direction (creating characters that are almost purposefully non-sexualized or androgynous). I'm not sure if that's really an expression of feminism or any particular value system (I wouldn't say that's "feminist art" at all), but maybe it is a "sign of the times" in some ways. If you look at it from a historical perspective, it's probably important and natural that art like this exists to help symbolize the different thought systems in our current decade.

In the end, art is both a statement and a reaction, and by being disruptive and challenging the norms, it's causing a conversation. I think that's what art is generally designed to do, and to a certain degree that's also what feminism is also designed to do. I think the core value of most feminists (not the extremists) actually is equal opportunities for both genders, but it's not a single natural step to get there. Part of that journey is going to be uncomfortable so that the pendulum can settle at the proper equilibrium. (Sometimes people act like the problem would just be solved if only people would stop bringing it up, but we're not there yet. It'd be nice if we were.)

Anyway, this too is a bit of a side-topic, but not unrelated either. All these evolving values and counter-trends are part of what makes this current era so volatile. This new art trend is just a reflection of that turmoil and conversation.

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

IMO it is. Hold your horses, I do not mean we should return to the ages where females were slaves sold to marriage in everything but name. What I mean to say is that we should strive for a society with equal opportunities for both genders. The way I see it feminism is what has bring us the new comics where female characters are not sexy or the new Netflix She-Ra cartoon aka classic Ben 10 in drag.

I think there's more to feminism then bad art though, but that's just me. And no, I don't think you have to be one or support female chattel slavery, but then again we're like only a few generations from that and for other parts of the world.... well, it may as well not have changed. So that's worth talking about, and it's independent of outrage culture.

[Applehell]

Speaking about the rustbelt/midwest, looking at latest polls there seems to be a strong sense of buyers remorse going on:

WI GOV

Evers (D): 54
Walker (R): 41

MI GOV

Whitmer (D): 47
Schuette (R): 38

MN GOV

Walz (D): 51
Pawlenty (R): 40

Swanson (D): 51
Pawlenty (R): 40

MI SEN

Stabenow (D): 55
James (R): 37

Stabenow (D): 52
Pensler (R): 37

WI SEN

Baldwin (D): 54
Nicholson (R): 39

Baldwin (D): 55
Vukmir (R): 38

MN SEN

Smith (D): 49
Housley (R): 35

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...cratic-n895001

These pretty stark not seen for some time all across the board.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Applehell

Speaking about the rustbelt/midwest, looking at latest polls there seems to be a strong sense of buyers remorse going on:



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...cratic-n895001

These pretty stark not seen for some time all across the board.

Look like they realized their president is more busy behaving like a Channer over Twitter than actually doing shit that help rejuvenating the labor market.

[mangamuscle]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...57246628900864

OK, so a republican president in control of the both chambers (and the SCOTUS) is going to shutdown the USA government (for days? weeks? months?) and blame the democrats for his lack of legislative progress right before the november election? This is either a bluff or trump confused the "get me coke" button with the "republican self destruct" button

[Key Board]

Fox News will support this argument
millions of people watch Fox News (and believe it)

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Key Board

Fox News will support this argument
millions of people watch Fox News (and believe it)

I could be wrong (since I do not watch FoxN*ws), but weren't they not so long ago beating the war drums saying that repubs only needed to get the presidential chair to roll back all the evil of the kenyan communist muslim? Since most of the foxnyus userbase is old, they should remember. Not only that, but they elected someone that said it will be easy, you just need to get people to talk in the same room.

I simple terms, I think there is a limit of how much bullshit people will take, specially when their income starts to get affected. As I said before, I do not think it will make them vote democrat, but simply staying at home can make a world of difference.

[Blueknight78]

trump going back to his "regular" mueller twiteestorms
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...r%2Findex.html

There is No Collusion! The Robert Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt, headed now by 17 (increased from 13, including an Obama White House lawyer) Angry Democrats, was started by a fraudulent Dossier, paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC. Therefore, the Witch Hunt is an illegal Scam!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...62510371741696

Is Robert Mueller ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to President Trump, including the fact that we had a very nasty & contentious business relationship, I turned him down to head the FBI (one day before appointment as S.C.) & Comey is his close friend..

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...64624259014656

....Also, why is Mueller only appointing Angry Dems, some of whom have worked for Crooked Hillary, others, including himself, have worked for Obama....And why isn’t Mueller looking at all of the criminal activity & real Russian Collusion on the Democrats side-Podesta, Dossier?