2017-07-17, 00:20 | Link #63 |
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Knowing what we know about that reveal, if you go back and watch Ange trying to befriend the Princess, the whole scene where Ange spills the drink plays differently the second time around.
its obvious that Princess recognizes Ange from the moment she starts to walk up, befor she says a word. The conversation plays less as an introduction and more a repeat of a previous conversation, with a knowing smile on the Princess at the end. This was a long con after all, between two friends before the civil war -- it was almost certainly Ange's suggestion for Operation Changeling. And Princess is not actually motivated by greed to get on the throne, this was Ange and Charlottes childhood plot, made during the Revolution. |
2017-07-17, 01:44 | Link #64 | |
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2017-07-17, 10:04 | Link #66 | |
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2017-07-17, 10:19 | Link #67 | |
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The question is if their "throne" conversation is also something they said to each other in the past? Its also puts into new perspective the OP visuals especially the car jump part - it always looked weird on how after "Ange" grabs princess they share a look and then "Ange" turns around and points her gun at supposedly other spies in her team behind her. Its also interesting how in that scene when "Ange" is going to grab princess we see "Princess" seeing "Ange" as a horrifying monster trying to eat her(idk what kind of folklore monster though - it might be a kappa - a sort of japanese trickster creature which kind of fits). |
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2017-07-17, 11:22 | Link #68 |
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I like this a lot. First episode was sad with the death of the double defector big brother.
"No" *bang* "No" *bang* "No" *bang* "No" *bang* Damn, what a game of lies and liars! And 2nd episode! HOLY SHIT! The princess herself becomes a traitor to her family to get first in line for the throne! And Ange is Charlotte who told her her real role! I didn't expected that to happen. It explains why Ange in the first episode was trying her hardest to meet the expectations of the princess when she wanted both siblings to defect. I wonder if this betrayal gonna bite Ange back in the ass at the end of this series.
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2017-07-17, 15:31 | Link #69 | ||
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I wonder if the flashback on episode 1 that Ange has when the Princess says that it would be sad to have the scientist and his sister apart was actually something that happened with the Princess, instead of something that happened with Ange.
Also on episode 1 at 13m when Beatrice mentions that she never knows how much of what Ange says is actually true, the Princess says that some lies end up becoming true, just as the screen is focusing on a painting of the Princess with the Queen. That seems to be a foreshadow that the Princess is actually fake, but the kind you wouldn't really get if you didn't already know. Quote:
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2017-07-17, 16:10 | Link #70 | |
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In general I'd say this episode improved my opinion of the show considerably. However I do find the swap thing strains credibility a bit. To the audience Ange and Charlotte look distinct, though I suppose we could consider Ange's hair color to be artistic license or the result of dye. On the other hand if there faces are actually supposed to be virtually identical in universe you'd think someone would make note of how similar they look. Then again this is hardly the first show to treat a pair of glasses as an impenetrable disguise. |
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2017-07-17, 18:28 | Link #72 | |
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Unless their faces are very different, if two people have the same hairstyles, clothes, voices, manners, ... and they don't stand next to each other for you to compare, it's impossible to tell them apart, especially if you don't know them very well and/or only briefly interact with them. Makeup also can do wonderful job of changing the face as well.
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2017-07-17, 21:42 | Link #75 |
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In all honesty, this was my favorite debut of the season. It's just such fun romp of a show with tons of elements I have always loved and great deigns/animation, all stuffed into one package. I didn't expect much going into it, but I was pleasantly entertained by what I was ultimately presented with. All this needs is a really good overarching plot and continued tight writing and it'll be fantastic.
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2017-07-18, 18:13 | Link #77 |
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This show seems to keep on being able to pleasently surprise me. Another solid episode.
I like how they're giving a tons of exposition and background to the characters, whom we clearly dont even know that well, whilst also keeping a lots of things in the dark. Well written show and easily one of the top shows this season. |
2017-07-18, 18:24 | Link #78 |
is this so?
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Watched episode 2:
Hmm, so that's how the princess became part of the team. Oh, and I like how Ange diguised herself and got the key from the old man, that's some real spy action there. Looking forward to ep. 3
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2017-07-19, 22:20 | Link #79 | |
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While an explanation of how the princess joined the party was expected, having this soon was not, and it was done in a very nice way, showing no one in the main crew is a fool. Sure, it may not be the most realistic spy story ever, but, if the rest is going to be this good, who cares? Ok, I'm i...
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Also, did Beato just got dragged into this whole mess by coincidence? Wait, what am I saying, of course she didn't, no way the "princess" would allow that. Better start preparing to see her murder a room full of soldiers on her own. |
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2017-07-19, 23:13 | Link #80 |
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Episode 2 was pretty good, but sometimes this show feels like its trying too hard to be a slick spy drama. We don't need to be remind they are covert agents.
That aside I did like the twist, but to be honest I'm not entirely clear were all the factions stand right now and who's who. |
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action, alternate history, anime original, kajiura yuki, spy thriller, steampunk, tachibana masaki |
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