Something stupid i thought about Al (animespoilers)

[Alecz]

I know, this is very lame, but im going to say it anyway. So, practically 'the gate' took Al's body along with Ed's arm and leg, but Ed managed to save Al's soul.

Now Wrath has Ed's arm and leg. So couldn't this mean that Al's body is out there, somewhere? Without a soul. Like a homonculi, but can use alchemy.

It gets even dummier here. What if Al's body would be the ultimate villain. Didn't Envy kick crap out of Ed in that lab because Ed had 'his blood' (correct if i had some bad subs or i just remember wrong) And now when we have been introduced to Hohenheim, i can't believe that he could be something that Homonculi (or atleast Envy) hates. What if Envy was talking about Al?

Im sure that this just doens't click, because Al lost his body like, 4 years ago? And whatnot. Just something dumb i came up at night and felt like writing it down somewhere.

Very sorry to took your time and very sorry about my bad english.

edit: said accidentally Ed when meant Al.

[kamij0]

So far as i know in the anime,

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the two brothers created sloth, which is their mother. Izumi created wrath too and thus the leg and hand of Edward were given to him. I highly doubt there will be someone using AL's body currently, that would require another human transmutation and a chance for the homunculi to retrieve Al's body from the gate to come out

Correct me if i'm wrong.. thanks

[Guido]

The gate is given a different treatment in the manga.

Spoiler:

In the manga, the gate leads to the realization of the real knowledge or "truth".

Ed met with a sort of ethereal, ghastly being which it meant itself to be the being referred as either "god", "the universal will", "the ultimate being", etc.

It opened the door for Ed to cross it; no homunculi were waiting once the door opened, except for that ominous eye, unlike the anime.

Ed, literally speaking, was captured by the gate and taken inside, then the gate closed with him inside. Once inside, Ed was whisked into another dimension and caught a glimpse of his mother spiritual self.

When he stretched out his arm to reach hers, he suddenly reappeared outside the gate. However, he returned feeling that all fragments of information were directly carved into his mind.

He asked to the ethereal being to open the gate once more, but it refused explaining that it was all it can show him for a little amount of passage fee.

The being remarked Ed to obey the principles of "Equivalent Trade".
(That being gave to Ed a malicious smile that made it look just like Gluttony when he smiles)

The last thing Ed remembered, he was once again in his home but no traces of Al to be found. However, Ed lost his left leg and screamed for Al to be given back to him.

Then again, Ed performed a second transmutation. Cut to the place where the ethereal being guards the door. It just felt Ed's return, and Ed's right arm rematerialized, reintegrated, and was attached as that being's right arm.

Ed's left leg was also transmutated as that being's left leg.

Creepy, isn't it?

What I can still not understand is the meaning of that creepy, ominous eye inside the gate?

What does that 'eye' means? Is it has some relation to the Ouroboros?

Or is it maybe and just maybe to be the "Eye of the Truth"?

[hunterx]

Originally Posted by Alecz

I know, this is very lame, but im going to say it anyway. So, practically 'the gate' took Al's body along with Ed's arm and leg, but Ed managed to save Al's soul.

Now Wrath has Ed's arm and leg. So couldn't this mean that Al's body is out there, somewhere? Without a soul. Like a homonculi, but can use alchemy.

It gets even dummier here. What if Al's body would be the ultimate villain. Didn't Envy kick crap out of Ed in that lab because Ed had 'his blood' (correct if i had some bad subs or i just remember wrong) And now when we have been introduced to Hohenheim, i can't believe that he could be something that Homonculi (or atleast Envy) hates. What if Envy was talking about Al?

Im sure that this just doens't click, because Al lost his body like, 4 years ago? And whatnot. Just something dumb i came up at night and felt like writing it down somewhere.

Very sorry to took your time and very sorry about my bad english.

edit: said accidentally Ed when meant Al.

you may have a point there with the whole business of equivalent trade. Trade implies both sides want something they other has. So if you want a soul back you trade something, usually body parts. The mystery here is who wants these body parts? The other homos except the one with eds leg and arm don't have any human body parts, so where did all those bodyparts from the attempted human transmutations go and more importantly who took since it aint the homos in the real world.

[Palani]

Originally Posted by kamij0

So far as i know in the anime,

Spoiler:

the two brothers created sloth, which is their mother. Izumi created wrath too and thus the leg and hand of Edward were given to him. I highly doubt there will be someone using AL's body currently, that would require another human transmutation and a chance for the homunculi to retrieve Al's body from the gate to come out

Correct me if i'm wrong.. thanks

I'm afraid you are wrong there because...

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Sloth is credited for being the start of the great war in Ishbal, at the time that that war took place Trisha was still alive. So it's impossible for sloth to be a reincarnation of Trisha since she wasn't dead by the time Sloth was created.

[Kyoji]

Originally Posted by Palani

I'm afraid you are wrong there because...

Spoiler:

Sloth is credited for being the start of the great war in Ishbal, at the time that that war took place Trisha was still alive. So it's impossible for sloth to be a reincarnation of Trisha since she wasn't dead by the time Sloth was created.

Spoiler:

that was just a cover up, sloth is trisha, Ed says so himself

[kamij0]

Originally Posted by Kyoji

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that was just a cover up, sloth is trisha, Ed says so himself

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Sloth aint involved in the Ishbal war, its just a make up by the army so that they could invade the city with the idea of the ishablites starting the war first ... episode 40 says so

[Sonhex]

Originally Posted by Palani

I'm afraid you are wrong there because...

Spoiler:

Sloth is credited for being the start of the great war in Ishbal, at the time that that war took place Trisha was still alive. So it's impossible for sloth to be a reincarnation of Trisha since she wasn't dead by the time Sloth was created.

In fact Sloth herself confirms that she is the Humonculus created by Ed and Al in Ep41 by saying to Ed 'Ed, why couldn't you make me right?'

Juliet Douglas and Sloth are two different people. Juliet Douglas died 16 years before the current events. However Juliet Douglas's identity was adopted by Sloth, Hughes pretty much gave us all the clues.

However there is an anomaly according to Yebyosh's Timeline, Juliet Douglas died 16 years before the current events. However she was involved in instigating the Ishball war 2 years later. Which doesn't make sense, as she should have been dead. Perhaps Yebyosh can clarify whether this is an error...?

[Rattus]

Trade implies both sides want something they other has.

'fraid you're implying something from the way it's been translated that doesn't actually exist... "exchange" might be a better word. It's only ever been about equivalent value in FMA, never something that someone else wants as such from a transmutation. There's nothing to suggest that some greedy person behind the gate with a limb-fetish is collecting body parts from gullible alchemists.

[Spiggy]

I still would like to know what someone else brought up: what happened to Al's body? We've seen most of the major character's body parts flying around the place but no sign of his. Maybe I just need to search a little deeper in this forum.

[DarkAngelZ28]

Originally Posted by Sonhex

Juliet Douglas and Sloth are two different people. Juliet Douglas died 16 years before the current events. However Juliet Douglas's identity was adopted by Sloth, Hughes pretty much gave us all the clues.

However there is an anomaly according to Yebyosh's Timeline, Juliet Douglas died 16 years before the current events. However she was involved in instigating the Ishball war 2 years later. Which doesn't make sense, as she should have been dead. Perhaps Yebyosh can clarify whether this is an error...?

Just a theory... J. Douglas (human) died as they said. Envy assumed her identity to start the war (just like he did with the sun god priest at Lior). After some years, Trisha dies and Sloth comes to life and takes J. Douglas position right beside the Fuhrer. Who in their right mind is going to say to the Fuhrer "umm..she's not J. Douglas" when he says she is. And anyone who does find out... goes the same way as Hughes.

[kamij0]

Originally Posted by DarkAngelZ28

Just a theory... J. Douglas (human) died as they said. Envy assumed her identity to start the war (just like he did with the sun god priest at Lior). After some years, Trisha dies and Sloth comes to life and takes J. Douglas position right beside the Fuhrer. Who in their right mind is going to say to the Fuhrer "umm..she's not J. Douglas" when he says she is. And anyone who does find out... goes the same way as Hughes.

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didnt martel said that the whole thing was made up by the army just to invade ishbal, Juliet douglas didnt spark the war, its the elite squad of martel and her chimera friends who were responsible for inciting war. Afterwards they were brought to 5th lab and were being turned into chimeras and locked up, hence the military never document this part which was the actual cause of the ishbal war.

[DarkAngelZ28]

Originally Posted by kamij0

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didnt martel said that the whole thing was made up by the army just to invade ishbal, Juliet douglas didnt spark the war, its the elite squad of martel and her chimera friends who were responsible for inciting war. Afterwards they were brought to 5th lab and were being turned into chimeras and locked up, hence the military never document this part which was the actual cause of the ishbal war.

Ooops...forgot about Martel The only problem I have with Martel's side is they were covert ops. They killed everyone they saw and saw them. But then afterwards a few shots of the war with lot of soldiers and lot of Ishbals is presented. So something must have started that "riot". Probably all of Ishbal knew the soldiers killed their friends.... maybe they just needed a little child getting shot in their faces to turn the mob into a riot. Just throwing ideas up in the air... this is FMA after all

[Rattus]

Does it matter exactly who started it? Either way, it was orchestrated by the sins. :-\

what happened to Al's body?

We see it briefly in ep 43, time 5:20.

[kamij0]

Originally Posted by Rattus

Does it matter exactly who started it? Either way, it was orchestrated by the sins. :-\



We see it briefly in ep 43, time 5:20.

Since its still there, there might be a glimpse of hope that he can retrieve his body, so much for speculation that his body may end up in a sin.