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To give a more specific example, in the latest episode of Hanasaku Iroha, for example, there's this continuing message that it's good to be working hard to change things even if your changes don't actually end up benefiting you much in the long run. You get the sense that Ohana is learning from this, and that the actions of the consultant and the grandmother are working towards some thematic/character development point in the episode. In K-on, they would just have Sawako dress up the girls in maid outfits, and that dress-up would be the point of the scene in and of itself. If they're studying for a test, rehearsing for the play, or practicing for a concert, the scenes are being shown to show those parts of the girls' lives, not to serve some specific greater dramatic or thematic point.
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There is some importance to classifying genres. First, when people look for anime they like to watch, they often turn to categorization as a means of finding styles they enjoy. For example:
Friend: I am watching anime for the first time. I like slice-of-life. Know any good ones? Google: Well, Hanasaku Iroha is classified on Wikipedia a slice-of-life anime. Friend: Sweet. Second, there is an individual need to keep these genres consistent throughout time. As we see in this debate, slice-of-life has become quite the general umbrella term. Yet as people offer up their own definitions and arguments as to what slice-of-life truly means, the meaning slides and shifts. What is slice-of-life today may be considered coming-of-age tomorrow. To provide a parallel example, historians are concerned with keeping the facts accurate. However, unlike facts, genres have been up for debate since their inception. Indeed, people often attain a "feel" for the genre by watching works classified in that genre. If Hanasaku Iroha contains elements of slice-of-life but doesn't quite fit completely as a slice-of-life anime, then I think it's important to realize what and where the genre boundaries are. Even more importantly, if Hanasaku Iroha starts redefining the genre entirely - perhaps by introducing elements from other genres - then there exists a responsibility to update our own definitions of slice-of-life. Or at least to recognize when the genre itself is shifting. Wouldn't you say science fiction nowadays is more focused on technology and giant laser beams, whereas in the past it was more about the philosophical questions of outer space? (As outer space was yet to be fully discovered back then, and technology nowhere near as advanced) Well, it's always up for debate. There are more reasons, but I'm steering way off topic so let's get back to Hanairo. Quote:
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2011-05-10, 19:34 | Link #1125 |
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Per this whole discussion of slice-of-life versus drama versus what have you...
May I recommend that we hold off until we get at least HALFWAY through the series and there might be a bit more evidence of where we are going. Heck, by the 1/4 point of Madoka (which is about where we are here) you were just getting an indication that it wasn't a traditional Magical Girl Series (though in a very dramatic fashion). I'd say by episode 12 we should have a bit clearer indication of where this one is going, and then be able to give a conclusion to the extent one is needed. I would point out, however, that there does seem to be a movement to trying to mix-up traditional ideas of what a story is as part of coming up with something new. So perhaps all of y'all are correct in some sense. My .02 worth...
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I'm getting the impression that some people are associating slice of life = generic boring genre = therefore bad, when it isn't the case at all. Reminds me of the "pretentious" debate that was on the General Anime forums a month or so ago.
From how I see it, drama, comedy, romance, coming of age/social commentary and slice of life are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. The genres can exist separately or co-existingely. Some people seem to differentiate drama and slice of life or clump comedy and slice of life together when in my opinion it's completely wrong. I would label Eve no Jikan for example a science-fiction drama, whilst this season's Steins;gate would be a science fiction comedy whilst AnoHana a slice of life drama. This anime? It just a splurge of genres - slice of life, comedy, drama, coming of age/social commentary, a bit of romance. Because of that, it probably attracts the most amount of people (and hence is arguably the season's most popular, but not necessarily the best in quality) because there's likely something that someone will like in the series. |
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I want to say that I completely 100% agree with everything that acejem just wrote.
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2011-05-10, 23:04 | Link #1128 |
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Wow, I didn't think the post I created created that big of a stir.
Truth be told though, I never knew what "slice of live" is defined in literary genre. Now I did some research, I can see that HanaIro is no a "tradition" slice of life story. However, just like everything else, things evolve. As someone mentioned in prior post, "slice of life" has become more of a tag and became literally a "slice" of life. I blame this also on culture difference. As I said, base on my East Asian background, shows like HanaIro are consider as "healing" type of shows. These shows, they have relatively little drama, character-centric, normal life, relaxing to watch, up-lifting, little-or-no fantasy element, etc. And the most important part is that the series make you feel good and calm (warm and fussy if you well) after you've watched it. The closest description and genre I can find in English was "slice" of life, and I'm guess that's what most people ends up using to describe these shows. I mean even now, if you go to an Chinese or Japanese bookshop, Fantasy and Sci-fi are still group as one genre because traditionally they weren't separated like western and History section often includes historic fictions and folklores as well. It's probably better for me to list some of these so-called "healing" series and see what you guys think, and coincidentally most of these series are describe as slice of life in ANN or Wiki: Kaleido Star K-on Minami-ke Azumanga Daioh Genshiken Strawberry Mashmarrow Maria-sama go Miteru Wolf and Spice Bamboo Blade Luky Star Natsume Yuujinchou Kimi ni Todoke Shuffle Aria Kara no Kyōkai Clannad As you can see, some of them actually have tons of fantasy element, while some are clearly comedy in English genre but they are all consider as "healing" type anime because they fits the biggest criteria, hell, some would even put One Piece into this genre. Compares to them, HanaIro is the traditional of these types of anime and that was what I was trying to saying in my earlier post refuting people who feel the pace of the series is hurting this series.
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2011-05-10, 23:55 | Link #1129 |
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Anyway, fitting shows in one or another genre is pointless, oversimplifying, and OT MOst of the posts on the subject, overgeneralise an already generic, if not ill-defined, category @3xR: Bumping the post count with posts irrelevant to the show itself is just sad |
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The genre of a show falls under the outlined definition of "generic." It is that which isn't specific, and regarding the show itself. Meaning, this is perfectly on topic. Many people here find this discussion interesting and actively want to discuss it. I'd appreciate if you wouldn't belittle us for wanting to discuss something of interest here. You may find the discussion pointless, but if you feel so, offer a better topic and we will discuss it if we find it has enough interest and "meaning" for us to discuss.
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What's wrong with wiki and ANN? As many faults as they might be, that's where majority of people get their info nowadays. BTW, in case you didn't know, recent studies (As early as 2005) has the accuracy of Wikipedia information on par if not surpass traditional Encyclopedias including Britannica. There's a old Chinese saying; Three random craftsmen beats one Zhuge Lang. (if you don't know who he is, go look it up in Wiki ) Quote:
Have you even read through this thread? As people already pointed out, categorizing has its own importance and benefit. Unless you are ignorant, there are people out there only watching similar shows or reading similar books. Besides, if it's as point-less as you said, then there WON'T be those genre for us to try to fit it in to begin with...... Quote:
Agree, for someone patronizing another as "sad" for replying a post, I find that said someone for bumping the post counts with a post that not only irrelevant to the show but irrelevant to the current discussion even sadder... Edit: BTW, Reckoner, you beat me to the punch as I was replying....
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Speaking of Anohana, instead of comparing it to Adachi's Cross Game, I feel it's more similar to his current Q&A or a mix in between two, albeit in a larger scale.
BTW, Aoihana, Cross Game, Q&A are all consider to by healing-types...
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It just seems to be that your healing-series bookshelf is everything that doesn't fit into Fantasy, Action or Sci-Fi. Which means it's something like drama, slice-of-life and comedy combined.
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I thought slice-of-life meant just exactly that; a slice of someone's life. Basically, the plot is the fact that the characters are living and going about their everyday lives, and that in the beginning of the series, we can imagine them having had a similar, if, slightly different life, and at the end we can imagine so as well.
Contrast Kaleido✭Star, where the plot leans heavily on the perils of Kaleido✭Stage and Sora's promotion to a star, as well as her fight to keep the title. If the series started at the second season, I would call it slice-of-life, since it is simply Sora living the life of a Kaleido✭Star. Then take ARIA, where we know that Akari started out rowing gondolas and at the end, she kept rowing gondolas (which was the most important part of the job). Unlike Sora's goal-oriented and single-minded pursuit of the top that started in the very first episode, Akari takes her time to amble about and sometimes almost forgetting that she's supposed to aim for a promotion. Slice-of-Life takes time to look at both extraordinary and mundane parts of the characters' lives from different perspectives (like the optical illusions with the statues holding up the island in ARIA). And most of all, it takes time looking at the less in-your-face aspects of those characters' lives (something Kaleido✭Star lacked, almost every part of Sora's life had the impact of a planet-sized meteor hitting the earth, with a few notable exceptions when the episodes focused on side-characters instead). |
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Personally I agree with you two in Clannad and Kara no Kyōkai and I was confused on those two when I found a lot of lists contend both series. (And on that, I was confuse on why most would consider slap comedy like Azumanga to be in it) But the consensus from the places I've been and read seems to include both series into healing types. It would seems that, after watching both aeries, they are suppose to making you feel all warm and fussy inside and make you feel better about yourself after you watch it, and that seems to be the biggest criteria that trumps other criteria for these series and precisely why I said that HanaIro was the "traditional prototype" for these type of series, since this series pretty much fits all the criteria with little room for argument .
If you can see read Chinese or Japanese, look up the words 治療系(動漫) they even designate certain types of idols and celebrities as "healing types". I'll also say that the more I did research on this genre thing, the broader the definition seems to become not unlike the slice of life we are talking about here. Similar to the categorization of Shonen/Shojo/Seinen comic to an extend, that at its core, it ends up depending on the pure fact from the native serialization magazine of the said series and not based on the content of the series itself. For example since its debut in US, for a long time Ah! My Goddess was often seen as Shojo or Shonen, but it is actually Seinen, and the series is rarely considered as harem comic in Japan or East Asia compare to west. And there are also many westerners who refuse to categorize Natsume Yūjinchō or Nodame as Shojo because they defined Shojo to be sappy romance while if was common knowledge over in the East. Same thing as Eroge, A lot of westerners I've seen refuse to label series like Fate/Stay Night, Shuffle, Clannad as Eroge, and dead set on separating between Bishojo game and Eroge. But in Japan and East Asia, Eroge is simply a sub-genre of Bishojo games and they have no problem label aforementioned series as eroge since they contend explicit sex scenes and you can find relative walk-throughs, reviews, and save data on Eroge sites. As for the Kaleido Star, I would agree that I won't use Slice-of-life on it even with its broadest definitiion, but that series had little doubt as "healing" types and was treated as such over in East. Again all I can say is cultural barrier...
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