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Kudryavka · 2013-02-19, 01:41

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Originally Posted by Ragecry

Ugh, this secret 2013 project is driving me nuts. I want news ASAP, they're killing me. If I throw any more money at my PC screen, I'm afraid I'll go poor. No search gives me news, none! Damn secrets.

I heard it was Lucky Star spinoff. Maybe done by KyoAni since the Lucky Star and Haruhi director is listed on the ema announcing the anime.

Yaraon speculation with very convincing magazine evidence (in Japanese).
Lucky Star Manga spinoff gets an Anime according to Ema at Washinomiya shrine

ultimatemegax · 2013-02-19, 07:25

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Originally Posted by Kudryavka

I heard it was Lucky Star spinoff. Maybe done by KyoAni since the Lucky Star and Haruhi director is listed on the ema announcing the anime.

Yaraon speculation with very convincing magazine evidence (in Japanese).
Lucky Star Manga spinoff gets an Anime according to Ema at Washinomiya shrine

The "secret project" that Ragecry is mentioning is one that was tweeted by Shoji Gatoh in January 2012. I broke down the 5 tweets he mentioned in this post. As of right now we do not know if KyoAni will be involved in this project or not.

Secondly, there is a very very very very very very very slim chance (less than 0.001% IMO) that KyoAni will be working on the Lucky Star spinoff anime. You are correct that Yutaka Yamamoto (who was the original Supervisor on Lucky Star before he was removed from the position after 4 episodes and was a co-supervisor with Tatsuya Ishihara on the 2006 version of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) was on the ema at the shrine, but he is now in charge of the animation studio Ordet (who has also re-tweeted news about the series). Yamamoto left Kyoto Animation in 2007, so why would he re-contract with the studio instead of using his own studio to animate the show? That is why I feel it's such a slim chance that's their next project.

As of today, February 19, we do not know what is the next project coming from Kyoto Animation. There's many rumors going around about anything from new Full Metal Panic!, new Haruhi, new Lucky Star, new Kadokawa properties, new original content (Beyond the Boundary), etc. Any one of those could be right or all could be wrong. We don't know anything for certain at this moment.

Kudryavka · 2013-02-19, 10:13

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Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

The "secret project" that Ragecry is mentioning is one that was tweeted by Shoji Gatoh in January 2012. I broke down the 5 tweets he mentioned in this post. As of right now we do not know if KyoAni will be involved in this project or not.

Secondly, there is a very very very very very very very slim chance (less than 0.001% IMO) that KyoAni will be working on the Lucky Star spinoff anime. You are correct that Yutaka Yamamoto (who was the original Supervisor on Lucky Star before he was removed from the position after 4 episodes and was a co-supervisor with Tatsuya Ishihara on the 2006 version of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) was on the ema at the shrine, but he is now in charge of the animation studio Ordet (who has also re-tweeted news about the series). Yamamoto left Kyoto Animation in 2007, so why would he re-contract with the studio instead of using his own studio to animate the show? That is why I feel it's such a slim chance that's their next project.

As of today, February 19, we do not know what is the next project coming from Kyoto Animation. There's many rumors going around about anything from new Full Metal Panic!, new Haruhi, new Lucky Star, new Kadokawa properties, new original content (Beyond the Boundary), etc. Any one of those could be right or all could be wrong. We don't know anything for certain at this moment.

Alright, thanks for debunking that.

Now I will just sit with everyone else and wait.

4Tran · 2013-02-19, 10:56

Tamako Market wasn't announced until last November, but Kyoto Animation had been making it since 2010. So it'd be safe to assume that they (and any successful anime studio for that matter) have been working on a number of new shows slated for release from late 2013 to 2015.

The only thing that's safe to say is that none of these are going to be a Full Metal Panic sequel.

Tempester · 2013-02-19, 14:07

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Originally Posted by 4Tran

but Kyoto Animation had been making it since 2010.

Source, please.

4Tran · 2013-02-19, 14:52

I think I read it somewhere on Animesuki

, probably from Warm Mist. I never bothered looking for verification because it's a perfectly normal production lead time.

Of course, in the very early preliminary stages, there would be very few people working on it, and it might not even have a director or writer attached yet. It'd be stuff like securing financing or exploratory feasibility research.

ultimatemegax · 2013-02-19, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Tempester

Source, please.

Interview with Naoko Yamada in the January 2013 issue of Newtype. She said that she received the offer to make Tamako "two years ago" (interview recorded in 2012).

Ragecry · 2013-02-19, 16:49

So, another time to sparkle some hope :P
Let's say the 2013 project has been in the works since, say, 2010.
Hook up the 2010 day with the Disappearence work. I heard that the 2009 airing was supposed to be a "season 2", but the whole thing got remodeled into a "new animation" (I believe it was in ultimatemegax's blog post).
So, in just random speculation, maybe the "season 2" material that they were producing, and got canceled, came back into production after the Disappearence movie.
Give it a 2 - 3 year production day, we may just have a secret Haruhi new season.

brocko · 2013-02-19, 18:37

^ It wouldn't have covered post-Disappearance material regardless.

The original plan for the season 2 was to have Disappearance finish off season 2. Somewhere down the line they decided it was best to have Disappearance as a separate movie instead. The problem was they already put out announcements and big advertisement for a season 2 as early as 2007 (that one newspaper spread for one). By taking out Disappearance, they were several episodes short for a proper TV run so they pulled that "season 2 is cancelled, beginning new animation" shenanigan. After that they probably came up with the great idea of expanding Endless Eight's episode count to fill in the blank slots left by Disappearance. Since these 2009 episodes were going to lead into the Disappearance they couldn't really do any post-Disappearance stories (I guess stand alone short stories may have sufficed).

I also doubt that they would've began work on the next Haruhi right after Disappearance as well (Just a hunch on my part so take it as you will I guess

). I'd imagine a lot of the staff beginning to get burnt out on the franchise and wanting a small break from it before going back again, especially after working on 3 different installments back to back (4 if you include them web shorts). All up they probably would've spent about half a decade, if not then almost close to a full decade working on Haruhi.

Warm Mist · 2013-02-20, 03:43

A big franchise like Haruhi shouldn't really need a lot of pre-production time anyway. K-On! and K-On!! are distanced by just one year, and if they started working on K-On! in, say, 2007, I doubt they were already planning the second season by 2008. I'd say it's more probable that the second season was approved after seeing the success of the first one.

kyouray · 2013-02-20, 14:24

Blogpost I found about Tamako Market : http://ogiuemaniax.wordpress.com/201...ons-next-step/
Some parts are discutable specially the title but the article is pleasant. Comments are also interesting.

Quote:

Tamako Market is the first Kyoto Animation show I’ve seen to really let the animators spread their wings. Tamako Market has allowed Kyoani to show personality through movement in a greater variety of character types of all shapes and sizes, from small children to geriatrics, to even a person of ambiguous gender and a silly talking bird. The show then places them in a deliberately slow-paced setting in the form of a small-town shopping area, which makes that Kyoani “slice of life” style feel appropriate. What’s more, even though there are indeed still cute girls in Tamako Market, all of the other characters are portrayed differently from them, giving the viewer not only Kyoani’s bread-and-butter but also something even more substantial.

I think that perfecly sums up the series though the first sentence isn't true.

By the way magazine Animestyle vol. 003 will feature KyoAni articles with : Naoko Yamada & Tamako Market, Tatsuya Ishihara & Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai.

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Warm Mist · 2013-02-20, 15:27

While I find Tamako Market an overall improvement over Chuu2, it's still not even close to the heights Hyouka accomplished.

I would have said TM was up there with the top of their game, having undeniably insane episodes like the first and the third one. That is, if I hadn't seen what they can pull off with a better organized direction in Hyouka. I don't know, maybe it's a Takemoto thing, since he seems like a very attentive guy from his episodes. Nichijou 25 is pretty good in how it links separate events by using simple but effective visual cues, and considering the whole theme of the episode has to do with that I think it's no wonder he was tasked (or eager, who knows) to handle it.

A higher display of this super detailed direction is seen in Hyouka, and the method with which Takemoto approaches the representation of everyday life strikes me as the most interesting and out-there in the whole studio. Not only Hyouka has some of the more focused and nuanced animation Kyoani has ever produced (up there with the best episodes of K-On!! and more), it is also by far their strongest work design-wise in all areas. The art direction is spot on, the backgrounds are movie quality level (certainly better backgrounds and with more purpose to them than in the Haruhi movie, which is already a huge feat), the way they introduced subjective depictions of events to better capitalize on the range of colour palettes and digital tricks at their disposal (check out the beginning of episode 3, or the end of episode 22 for obvious examples, but there are many more cases throughout the show), the maniac approach to portraying subtle character evolution by means of establishing and gradually modifying bodily language cues -which was present in K-On!!, but is exploited to a higher degree in Hyouka IMO-, and overall the way everything the studio could use was arranged in a very skillful way to depict some of the stronger atmospheres I've ever seen in a slice of life show, put Hyouka as the strongest overall Kyoani work along with the K-On! movie. Those two works have a visceral feeling that INSANE amounts of effort were put into them that I just don't feel in K-On! (the series), Tamako Market or even Nichijou (which is amazing animation-wise, but it seemed more like the animators were playing around and having a lot of fun, rather than focusing all their efforts to achieve a concise goal).

I don't know, Hyouka showed me sides of Kyoani I didn't even know existed, and blew me away. Chuu2 is laughable by comparison, and Tamako doesn't quite reach the same pedigree in my books (although the first episode, as I said, is very close). Maybe Hyouka had a bigger budget, or a longer schedule, maybe it's a director thing (in which case I'd be dying to see Ishidate as a full supervisor since he too displays a sort of talent and approach that is scarce in the studio), or maybe the planets aligned for those two productions. But if there IS a next step for the studio, I think it should be in this direction, and Tamako Market doesn't nail it even if it is very enjoyable.

Sorry for the boring rant.

Tempester · 2013-02-20, 15:45

@Warm Mist: It really helps that Hyouka actually had an source with an interesting story and characters who weren't dominated by their archetypal qualities. I can't deny that the animation, direction, and other technical aspects you mentioned contributed a lot to my enjoyment of the show, but even without reading the source, I can tell that it is leagues above most other manga/books KyoAni has adapted. When it comes to adaptations, I think KyoAni should do less of picking up trash and attempting to turn it into gold, and instead pick up more silver.

Skane · 2013-02-20, 16:32

I would say Hyouka was a diamond in the rough. Most pre-season remarks were along the lines of "meh" and "wut?". It was a pleasant surprise to have it blow my mind away, and the non-confession confession is easily one of the most "feels" moments I ever had in watching an anime.

Cheers.

kyouray · 2013-02-20, 16:43

Warm Mist : your post isn't boring at all

I do agree Hyouka was technically insane. They really improved not only in animation but also composition & photography. They played so well with colours and lights to create atmospheres fitting perfectly particular scenes.
I think Tamako Market is globally not as impressive as Hyouka but this is a confirmation of their current animation skills. It's difficult to compare Tamako Market and Hyouka since their approach is different but we find again this powerful animation which makes characters so lively. As Tempester said Hyouka has a strong source and that should have helped a lot. I didn't read Hyouka's novels but it should contain many details describing the characters whereas Tamako Market is an original work and sometimes having too much liberty may be more difficult than adapting a novel. Plus ambition wasn't the same.
Chu2koi was kinda weak compared to these two series but has some interestings parts like Taichi Ogawa's storyboard or Hiroko Utsumi 's episode.

Warm Mist · 2013-02-20, 19:20

Tamako Market benefits from being original, I think. It has sort of a jumpy feel that I think rises from the show not being told particularly from anyone's POV, but suiting it to the narrative needs. I like the liberty this gives the creators, there's some really neat storytelling in the show. Something I enjoy is that even on clearly character-focused episodes (like episode 3 for Shiori, or episode 4 for Anko) it can jump from situation to situation featuring various side characters doing their thing and adding to the market's lively atmosphere.

I agree with Taiichi Ogawa, so far he has an impeccable track record: Hyouka 12 and 19 were two great episodes, and while I didn't care to much for the content of Chuu2 11, the pacing was just fine and it featured some elaborate and thoughtful framing; same with Tamako Market 3. So far he seems to be a real talent, I think he's my favourite of the three "new" Kyoani directors (Rika Ota and Eisaku Kawanami being the other two).

Also thanks for the compliment, sometimes I think I spout too much Kyoani-nerdism but if someone can take anything out of it it's all good.

Dextro · 2013-02-20, 19:41

I for one welcome your posts Warm Mist. I'm not a person that knows much about the names behind the shows I watch (a flaw I have to admit) but I enjoy learning more. I also agree with you that Hyouka was a quite possibly the best showcase of KyoAnis ability so far. The show was breath taking at times.

brocko · 2013-02-20, 19:55

I'll admit, the cloud porn in Hyouka was some of the best I've ever seen. Truly impressive.

I wish I had gifs instead of screencaps but all the clouds, rays of light, reflections from puddles along with the shadows were all in constant motion here.

Hair porn and Snow porn ain't got nothing on Cloud porn as it stands currently lol

Oh and animating the back display of digital clocks, who would even do this?!

Warm Mist · 2013-02-20, 20:05

The funniest thing are the OCD fixes they did for the BDs.

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"Attention to detail" lol.

Kudryavka · 2013-02-20, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by brocko

I'll admit, the cloud porn in Hyouka was some of the best I've ever seen. Truly impressive.

I wish I had gifs instead of screencaps but all the clouds, rays of light, reflections from puddles along with the shadows were all in constant motion here.

Hair porn and Snow porn ain't got nothing on Cloud porn as it stands currently lol

Oh and animating the back display of digital clocks, who would even do this?!

I love scenery porn. I live for it. Real life and artistically created.

All those shots are 100% beauty.

2013-02-19, 10:56	Link #1364
4Tran Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Tamako Market wasn't announced until last November, but Kyoto Animation had been making it since 2010. So it'd be safe to assume that they (and any successful anime studio for that matter) have been working on a number of new shows slated for release from late 2013 to 2015. The only thing that's safe to say is that none of these are going to be a Full Metal Panic sequel. __________________ The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won...

2013-02-19, 14:52	Link #1366
4Tran Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I think I read it somewhere on Animesuki , probably from Warm Mist. I never bothered looking for verification because it's a perfectly normal production lead time. Of course, in the very early preliminary stages, there would be very few people working on it, and it might not even have a director or writer attached yet. It'd be stuff like securing financing or exploratory feasibility research. __________________ The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won...

2013-02-19, 18:37	Link #1369
brocko Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯	^ It wouldn't have covered post-Disappearance material regardless. The original plan for the season 2 was to have Disappearance finish off season 2. Somewhere down the line they decided it was best to have Disappearance as a separate movie instead. The problem was they already put out announcements and big advertisement for a season 2 as early as 2007 (that one newspaper spread for one). By taking out Disappearance, they were several episodes short for a proper TV run so they pulled that "season 2 is cancelled, beginning new animation" shenanigan. After that they probably came up with the great idea of expanding Endless Eight's episode count to fill in the blank slots left by Disappearance. Since these 2009 episodes were going to lead into the Disappearance they couldn't really do any post-Disappearance stories (I guess stand alone short stories may have sufficed). I also doubt that they would've began work on the next Haruhi right after Disappearance as well (Just a hunch on my part so take it as you will I guess ). I'd imagine a lot of the staff beginning to get burnt out on the franchise and wanting a small break from it before going back again, especially after working on 3 different installments back to back (4 if you include them web shorts). All up they probably would've spent about half a decade, if not then almost close to a full decade working on Haruhi. __________________ http://www.freerice.com/ - For each word you get right, 10 grains of rice is donated through the UN to help end world hunger.

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Warm Mist Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	While I find Tamako Market an overall improvement over Chuu2, it's still not even close to the heights Hyouka accomplished. I would have said TM was up there with the top of their game, having undeniably insane episodes like the first and the third one. That is, if I hadn't seen what they can pull off with a better organized direction in Hyouka. I don't know, maybe it's a Takemoto thing, since he seems like a very attentive guy from his episodes. Nichijou 25 is pretty good in how it links separate events by using simple but effective visual cues, and considering the whole theme of the episode has to do with that I think it's no wonder he was tasked (or eager, who knows) to handle it. A higher display of this super detailed direction is seen in Hyouka, and the method with which Takemoto approaches the representation of everyday life strikes me as the most interesting and out-there in the whole studio. Not only Hyouka has some of the more focused and nuanced animation Kyoani has ever produced (up there with the best episodes of K-On!! and more), it is also by far their strongest work design-wise in all areas. The art direction is spot on, the backgrounds are movie quality level (certainly better backgrounds and with more purpose to them than in the Haruhi movie, which is already a huge feat), the way they introduced subjective depictions of events to better capitalize on the range of colour palettes and digital tricks at their disposal (check out the beginning of episode 3, or the end of episode 22 for obvious examples, but there are many more cases throughout the show), the maniac approach to portraying subtle character evolution by means of establishing and gradually modifying bodily language cues -which was present in K-On!!, but is exploited to a higher degree in Hyouka IMO-, and overall the way everything the studio could use was arranged in a very skillful way to depict some of the stronger atmospheres I've ever seen in a slice of life show, put Hyouka as the strongest overall Kyoani work along with the K-On! movie. Those two works have a visceral feeling that INSANE amounts of effort were put into them that I just don't feel in K-On! (the series), Tamako Market or even Nichijou (which is amazing animation-wise, but it seemed more like the animators were playing around and having a lot of fun, rather than focusing all their efforts to achieve a concise goal). I don't know, Hyouka showed me sides of Kyoani I didn't even know existed, and blew me away. Chuu2 is laughable by comparison, and Tamako doesn't quite reach the same pedigree in my books (although the first episode, as I said, is very close). Maybe Hyouka had a bigger budget, or a longer schedule, maybe it's a director thing (in which case I'd be dying to see Ishidate as a full supervisor since he too displays a sort of talent and approach that is scarce in the studio), or maybe the planets aligned for those two productions. But if there IS a next step for the studio, I think it should be in this direction, and Tamako Market doesn't nail it even if it is very enjoyable. Sorry for the boring rant. Last edited by Warm Mist; 2013-02-20 at 15:38.

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Skane Anime Snark Join Date: May 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 41	I would say Hyouka was a diamond in the rough. Most pre-season remarks were along the lines of "meh" and "wut?". It was a pleasant surprise to have it blow my mind away, and the non-confession confession is easily one of the most "feels" moments I ever had in watching an anime. Cheers. __________________ Hearthstone Battletag: Skane#1425 [Can't GIF This], [Jail's House of Rock], [Kanon In The Snow], [She Ain't Dead Yet... She's In Quantum], [She Stabs] Founder of "The Cult of Psycho-Moe", Member of "ARIA the Social Group" & the "Belkan Saint Church".

2013-02-19, 16:49	Link #1368
Ragecry Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Brazil	So, another time to sparkle some hope :P Let's say the 2013 project has been in the works since, say, 2010. Hook up the 2010 day with the Disappearence work. I heard that the 2009 airing was supposed to be a "season 2", but the whole thing got remodeled into a "new animation" (I believe it was in ultimatemegax's blog post). So, in just random speculation, maybe the "season 2" material that they were producing, and got canceled, came back into production after the Disappearence movie. Give it a 2 - 3 year production day, we may just have a secret Haruhi new season.

2013-02-20, 03:43	Link #1370
Warm Mist Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	A big franchise like Haruhi shouldn't really need a lot of pre-production time anyway. K-On! and K-On!! are distanced by just one year, and if they started working on K-On! in, say, 2007, I doubt they were already planning the second season by 2008. I'd say it's more probable that the second season was approved after seeing the success of the first one.

2013-02-20, 15:45	Link #1373
Tempester Japanese Culture Fan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Planet Earth Age: 33	@Warm Mist: It really helps that Hyouka actually had an source with an interesting story and characters who weren't dominated by their archetypal qualities. I can't deny that the animation, direction, and other technical aspects you mentioned contributed a lot to my enjoyment of the show, but even without reading the source, I can tell that it is leagues above most other manga/books KyoAni has adapted. When it comes to adaptations, I think KyoAni should do less of picking up trash and attempting to turn it into gold, and instead pick up more silver.

2013-02-20, 16:43	Link #1375
kyouray 2D > 3D Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: France Age: 35	Warm Mist : your post isn't boring at all I do agree Hyouka was technically insane. They really improved not only in animation but also composition & photography. They played so well with colours and lights to create atmospheres fitting perfectly particular scenes. I think Tamako Market is globally not as impressive as Hyouka but this is a confirmation of their current animation skills. It's difficult to compare Tamako Market and Hyouka since their approach is different but we find again this powerful animation which makes characters so lively. As Tempester said Hyouka has a strong source and that should have helped a lot. I didn't read Hyouka's novels but it should contain many details describing the characters whereas Tamako Market is an original work and sometimes having too much liberty may be more difficult than adapting a novel. Plus ambition wasn't the same. Chu2koi was kinda weak compared to these two series but has some interestings parts like Taichi Ogawa's storyboard or Hiroko Utsumi 's episode. __________________ Twitter

2013-02-20, 19:20	Link #1376
Warm Mist Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Tamako Market benefits from being original, I think. It has sort of a jumpy feel that I think rises from the show not being told particularly from anyone's POV, but suiting it to the narrative needs. I like the liberty this gives the creators, there's some really neat storytelling in the show. Something I enjoy is that even on clearly character-focused episodes (like episode 3 for Shiori, or episode 4 for Anko) it can jump from situation to situation featuring various side characters doing their thing and adding to the market's lively atmosphere. I agree with Taiichi Ogawa, so far he has an impeccable track record: Hyouka 12 and 19 were two great episodes, and while I didn't care to much for the content of Chuu2 11, the pacing was just fine and it featured some elaborate and thoughtful framing; same with Tamako Market 3. So far he seems to be a real talent, I think he's my favourite of the three "new" Kyoani directors (Rika Ota and Eisaku Kawanami being the other two). Also thanks for the compliment, sometimes I think I spout too much Kyoani-nerdism but if someone can take anything out of it it's all good.

2013-02-20, 19:41	Link #1377
Dextro He Without a Title Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The land of tempura	I for one welcome your posts Warm Mist. I'm not a person that knows much about the names behind the shows I watch (a flaw I have to admit) but I enjoy learning more. I also agree with you that Hyouka was a quite possibly the best showcase of KyoAnis ability so far. The show was breath taking at times. __________________

2013-02-20, 19:55	Link #1378
brocko Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯	I'll admit, the cloud porn in Hyouka was some of the best I've ever seen. Truly impressive. I wish I had gifs instead of screencaps but all the clouds, rays of light, reflections from puddles along with the shadows were all in constant motion here. Hair porn and Snow porn ain't got nothing on Cloud porn as it stands currently lol Oh and animating the back display of digital clocks, who would even do this?! __________________ http://www.freerice.com/ - For each word you get right, 10 grains of rice is donated through the UN to help end world hunger.

2013-02-20, 20:05	Link #1379
Warm Mist Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	The funniest thing are the OCD fixes they did for the BDs. Images Pretty big image Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? "Attention to detail" lol.