2009-06-30, 13:46 | Link #2141 |
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Originally in my above theory, I had Jessica listed as 2nd, George as 3rd and so on. But then I remembered the siblings, and then I just wasn't sure about the specifics (concerning sucession) anymore...
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-George gives the ring to Shannon -Eva sees him and goes berserk -George kills Eva, but there are witness so George needs to kill them all -However at this point George knows that the police would find him so he needs to create an "unfortunate incident" to cover everything up. -Of course everyone must die for that". -So George kills everyone but then he says: where's Kanon?! -and so Shannon says: "It's me I'm actually Kanon, I like to dress in drag!" -George kills Kanon and then he kills himself -When the seagulls cry no one is left alive Jokes apart I think there is a possibility that Jessica and Maria are the masterminds of this tragedy at least partially, but the fully explain I'd have to think they got the servants in it as accomplices. Jessica being Beatrice can explain a lot of things about the mariage sorciere. On semantics. I agree with everyone that if we start using semantic as way to destroy the red truth then we are back to square one without any ground to create our theory from. However -I am the Golden Witch Beatrice. And I opened this game in order to fight with Ushiromiya Kinzo's grandson, Ushiromiya Battler. -This is my Golden Land. A world where any magic other than my own definitely cannot exist. -With my magic, Sakutarou could not be revived. If we don't start talking about semantics we can give up to the witch already.
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2009-06-30, 15:21 | Link #2143 |
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Maybe there's a difference between a red truth for the normal world and one for the meta-world. Those you pointed would only apply to the meta-world, because of all the "magic" and stuff there (a guy supposed to be dead is playing chess with a thousand year-old witch and eating cakes prepared by a demon butler).
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2009-06-30, 15:23 | Link #2144 |
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from the anti-fantasy perspective the meta-world doesn't exist. Acknowledging its existence is like acknowledging the existence of witches. Therefore you can't accept a red "truth" that is valid for a world that doesn't exist.
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2009-06-30, 15:25 | Link #2145 |
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True enough, Ryukishi did say semantics were a focus, however, it's probably safe to assume that if Beato says something like there are no more than three culprits responsible then it's true. I mean let's not get ideas here
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yeah probably but you know what. If in Ep3 we would have been shoved in our face:
Battler Ushiromiya is born from Asumu Ushiromiya Pretty much everyone would say that this is 100% proof of the fact that Battler is Asumu's son. If someone then would say that maybe there is another Battler Ushiromiya, everyone would tell him to shut up and not state ridiculous sthings.
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2009-06-30, 15:29 | Link #2148 |
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Um... well... Not that I checked, but some definition from an online dictionary would probably work
P.S. I guess so, but then that depends on your interpretation of the words. Edit: got confused myself here, misunderstood Jan-poo's post. Well maybe I didn't, either way I deserved it. I'm afraid to admit it, but I may have flamed him a bit here >_> Apologies, was just tired. Does this break my red truth? You decide. Last edited by Nih; 2009-07-20 at 16:23. Reason: correcting mistakes |
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ok jokes aside I think denying the meta-world in umineko is like denying the existence of any kind of comparison like Light and L standing on top of skyscrapers in Death Note.... True anti-fantasy should just think of meta-world as a METAphor (lol same root). Quote:
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2009-06-30, 17:23 | Link #2156 |
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Sorry that wasn't meant to be rude or anything...
Anyway a metaphor is truth, just put in another way to give it a literary value so we can't deny Battler is having an intellectual fight with Beatrice (trying to solve the case or maybe just trying to deny witches...). This is maybe happens in his head (his mind is denying the existence of magic maybe) but that doesn't mean the metaworld is a utter lie at all... it exists but on a different level than material reality. PS: no, no magic involved. it's just philosophy XD |
2009-06-30, 17:27 | Link #2157 |
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As put by bern and lambda, beatrice can't win, the only reason she could not win (at least for me) is because witches do not exist in rokkenjima. so the only thing a person could win by having the fight with battler is discovering the real culprit.
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Anyway we could start a debate about metaphors. What's the limit of acceptable metaphors in the red truth? For example: this pain is killing me Is it acceptable? Isn't acceptable? If it's acceptable does that mean I can use "Kill" as metaphor? Then what if Beatrice says Kanon killed Jessica meaning that Kanon by refusing her caused her to die inside?
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