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View Poll Results: Psycho-Pass - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 15 | 30.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 21 | 42.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 14.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 12.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 2.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-06, 23:17 | Link #181 | ||
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2) is a point that gen is trying to get across, mostly as an allegory to Japan and its Xenophobic tendencies. This is the reason why he used the hyper oats as a plot point. Anyone who has taken a biology class (and still remembers it) know about the red queen theory. In which a system that has no to little biological diversity will eventually die. wither from outside influences or inside mutations. Sibil keeps that much needed diversity soo low that it FORCES people like makishima to arise, Makishima is the mutation, only this time, he is waay too strong for them to handle. but they don't know it yet. no matter how you slice it, this show is pretty deep. Gen is my favorite director/creator in the anime world now, got much respect for him. By the way, the number of seats in the Japanese house of concilors (the upper house of the two houses of parliament) is 242. . . . (there used to be 252 seats until 1998.............) pretty close to 250, I'm not sure is that is a coincidence... Quote:
Its like if these people's significant others were raped then given an immediate death penalty by the judge because they are too traumatised. . .and not just any old death, but a death WHERE THEIR GUTS ARE SPLATTERED AND BODIES ARE BLOWN UP, they would be like "sure, that's fine as long as sibil(the Judge Jury and Prosecutor) keeps the peace" Don't even know why people are still arguing for this unless they just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Last edited by CJ_Walker; 2013-03-06 at 23:45. |
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2013-03-07, 01:53 | Link #182 | ||||
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Dominator set to paralyzer mode. Akane intervenes causing the victim to panic. Victim pours petrol over herself. Dominator set to kill mode. Akane intervenes and calms the victim down. Gino paralyzes victim. Victim recovers. But watch as I cut out Akane out of episode 1: Dominator set to paralyzer mode. Masaoka paralyzes victim. Victim recovers. It's also to correct others who have mistaken some info and argue some nonsensible points (and yes, applies to both sides and yes, I have been corrected a few times myself). |
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2013-03-07, 02:05 | Link #183 | |
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2013-03-07, 02:26 | Link #184 | |
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I don't know what A, B, C whatever is (is there a proper list somewhere?), but I thought what 4Tran wrote a sequence of events and the outcome is "information/power to fight against system", as in destroy the brains. I suggested the possibility that the system stays intact (for most part) but Akane takes over (and the brains still exist). |
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2013-03-07, 03:28 | Link #185 |
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I made up the name, so of course there's no actual list.
The most common cyberpunk stories are where the system acts as the antagonist. Story A then would be the ones where the protagonist starts out either an outcast or downtrodden by the system, and story B is where the protagonist starts out integrated and invested in the system. The other story types are where the system doesn't act as the antagonist. I only described the structure of how the story Bs function; not their outcomes. The outcomes are shaped by the particularities and details of the work in question, and are therefore highly variable. Maybe the protagonists win and overthrow the system, and maybe they all die horribly. To my mind, the outcome isn't all that important for cyberpunk stories anyways.
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2013-03-07, 04:40 | Link #186 | |
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Yeah because one guy being taken out because he knew too much suddenly means that NOTHING is law anymore. You people have no sense of scale. |
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2013-03-07, 04:49 | Link #187 |
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Of course it has. I'm just trying to be optimistic for once and hope that P-P will somehow end in a less stereotypical light. But this is an anime we're talking about, so that's probably an empty desire to have.
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2013-03-07, 09:03 | Link #188 | |
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I am being optimistic. Psycho-Pass is at its best when it's dealing with straightforward plot and action. It does a much worse job when it tries to delve into heavy characterization or fiddling with exotic storytelling. Besides, Akane is the most interesting part of the show right now, so it'd be good to see more development around her.
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2013-03-07, 10:44 | Link #190 | |||
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I definitely think that Psycho-Pass is, in part, arguing against the general lack of diversity in real world Japan. Part of that is in lack of diversity in thinking, but I also think some of it might be a lack of diversity in people (i.e. very little racial or cultural difference). Sybil tries to regulate the whole of society towards a common denominator. It does so to gain greater peace and security. But in the process, is it stamping out too much diversity? Is it stagnating society, and leaving it overly vulnerable in certain ways? Hyper-oats points to how going with one idealized solution without diversifying your overall approach could actually backfire nastily. Quote:
Back in Winter 2011, Kaijo and I defended Kyubey a bit because we felt that discussion was becoming overly narrow with everybody assuming the absolute worst about Kyubey without really taking the time to carefully analyze the narrative as a whole. It was a bit too easy for people to demonize Kyubey, and to just blame him for literally everything, which I think leads to a skewed and narrow understanding of the narrative. Similarly, I don't think Sibyl should be blamed for everything here. The people of Sibyl Japan bear at least some responsibility themselves for choosing to put up with this form of government; for being too short-sighted to see the very serious problems that the Sibyl system could bring and does appear to be bringing. Quote:
In Star Trek, there's an alien race called Cardassians. In their legal system, the defendant is guilty. Period. The court proceedings are simply a grand show of justice for the Cardassian people. It's to give the defendant a chance to dramatically show remorse over his illegal activities and beg for forgiveness. For us, this would likely seem abhorrent. For the Cardassians, it's the Rule of Law. In fact, to the Cardassians, human or Federation justice seems ridiculously soft. In Star Trek: DS9, this is something that Gul Dukat mocked at least once or twice. And no doubt from his perspective, it really is ridiculously soft. So much so it might even seem "lawless" to the Cardassians. And isn't this kind of like what we see here in Psycho-Pass? If your Psycho-Pass reading deems you guilty, then you are guilty. Period. End of story. Just like Cardassians put 100% faith in their law enforcement officers and intelligence agencies always getting it right, the people of Sibyl Japan put 100% faith in Sibyl always getting it right.
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2013-03-09, 17:53 | Link #191 | |
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There have ALWAYS been people like Makishima in the world. People who have an urge to judge others, and don't understand their place in the world, and because of that they do violent things. You don't need a high tech dystopia to cause people like this to come crawling out of the wood work. They existed prior to the Sybil system being created. And nobody thought they were special, or fundamentally different than the average garden variety mass murderer.
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