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Old 2016-07-02, 23:59   Link #8301
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regardless I think we would all like to see force returned and improved whether light novel or manga
I agreed or at least do something which Force because I hate story I like not having an ending.
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Old 2016-07-25, 12:45   Link #8302
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I wonder if anyone will translate that last half chapter in force that hasn't been mentioned much yet.
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Old 2016-07-28, 18:18   Link #8303
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From what i see the problem in manga force there are limited space for Force story itself , using image panel with bubble are foolhardy difficult for Force which lead there are incoherent message from the story Tsuzuki built for us, therefore it lead for story became dull and fans left. Force being the transition story from magical girl into shounen boy lead.

in LN format we maybe can get the actual depiction story of the force from the text directly wrote by Tsuzuki also better world exposition in the force setting than the manga could tell, for example the characters dialogue and their mindset also a fair battle depiction, in case justified Signum vs Cypha battle. the manga totally disappointment with how Signum could defeated easily.
It would also have been good if the magic dictionary was translated along with the manga chapters since certain entries in it seems to have plot details in them.
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Old 2017-05-08, 11:28   Link #8304
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I personally liked force and it was a good change to have a male character or at least in my opinion it was that being said it did have its problems but I'd still like it to be continued
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Old 2017-05-08, 15:27   Link #8305
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I personally liked force and it was a good change to have a male character or at least in my opinion it was that being said it did have its problems but I'd still like it to be continued
I wholeheartedly agree!
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Old 2017-05-09, 01:22   Link #8306
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Oh the fact that Thoma was a male was never really an issue for me personally. The issue with Thoma was that he was mostly useless as a character, with nothing much to distinguish him apart from his maleness and the fact that he was an Eclipse infectee.

Force's main problem IMO were the Hucks and the writter's continued attempt to showcase their bloody ways as something that was necessary, and them as poor victims, similar to Wolkies, which did not sit well with me. Oh and stupid Worf effect ways the writters wanted to introduce the bad guys by having them defeat the good ones, which felt more like writer ex machina than anything else.

But that being said Force is still MUCH more a Nanoha thing that Vivid will ever be, so I would not at all be against canning Vivid and doing Force, if the writter is able to fix the issues with it, like Hucks and making Thoma actually interesting.
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Old 2017-05-09, 02:31   Link #8307
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I actually liked the fact that writers shows us just how dependent our heroes on their magic. Thus, once the enemy managed to nullify it even great warriors like Signum are in grave danger.
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Old 2017-05-09, 02:46   Link #8308
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Except that it feels more like it was done for shock value (I hate those) and not so much to do that, and they write Signum kind of stupid by having her be dumbfounded that Leviathan broke even while knowing what Cypha can do. One would expect that reaction maybe from Nanoha or Fate, but not a Wolkenritter with much more experience. But then again I'm am always going to fall on the techno-magic vs tech in and Nanohaverse debate, so I'm biased.
Also while Signum gets to fight and get stupidly trashed, in Hayate's case it was basically writer deus ex machina that Curren was able to teleport right behind Hayate, and also it can be argued another case of writer mandated stupidity for her as if she needed more of that.

Also that wasn't really the point of it all, well there was not much of a point. Of course if you take a solder's guns and armor and strip him bare while letting the other side have them he is likely to be thrashed. That is the part I don't like about the Explipse. The BLANKET immunity. Also didn't they also give them near invulnerability given their hard skins and regeneration?
I never really like blanket immunities, since those aren't really likely IMO, and again IMO are kind of sign of shoddy writing. I do like though that it doesn't take much time for protagonists to come up with asymmetrical solutions to their problems.

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Old 2017-05-09, 03:17   Link #8309
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Aaaaand this thread back to alive in 2017 but not for manga.
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Old 2017-05-09, 03:22   Link #8310
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Well I would like to reopen other threads, but I fear it would be ind of like holding a speech for a graveyard considering most of the board is pretty much dead.

But yeah, while I'm not Force's biggest fan, I would prefer it more than Vivid (lolicon pandering) or let alone Strike (Force in the guise of Vivid).
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Old 2017-05-09, 03:25   Link #8311
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How in god's green earth did you come to the conclusion that ViVid Strike! is at all like Force?
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Old 2017-05-09, 03:29   Link #8312
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Because it follows the similar formula like Force, adding "realism" and grievous injuries mostly in the end for shock factor? Basically if there were two writing teams (there aren't), one handling Force and one handling Vivid, Strike feels like giving the Force creators a chance to play with Vivid.
Oh great. Bell. Got to go.
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Old 2017-05-09, 03:31   Link #8313
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... it has done literally nothing different from ViVid. Even the realism and grievous injuries happened in ViVid before Strike! ever got its hands on it.
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Old 2017-05-09, 07:02   Link #8314
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I replied in Strike thread just so I don't pollute this thread with talking more about the Strike side of things.
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Old 2017-05-20, 11:13   Link #8315
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Except that it feels more like it was done for shock value (I hate those) and not so much to do that, and they write Signum kind of stupid by having her be dumbfounded that Leviathan broke even while knowing what Cypha can do. One would expect that reaction maybe from Nanoha or Fate, but not a Wolkenritter with much more experience. But then again I'm am always going to fall on the techno-magic vs tech in and Nanohaverse debate, so I'm biased.
Also while Signum gets to fight and get stupidly trashed, in Hayate's case it was basically writer deus ex machina that Curren was able to teleport right behind Hayate, and also it can be argued another case of writer mandated stupidity for her as if she needed more of that.

Also that wasn't really the point of it all, well there was not much of a point. Of course if you take a solder's guns and armor and strip him bare while letting the other side have them he is likely to be thrashed. That is the part I don't like about the Explipse. The BLANKET immunity. Also didn't they also give them near invulnerability given their hard skins and regeneration?
I never really like blanket immunities, since those aren't really likely IMO, and again IMO are kind of sign of shoddy writing. I do like though that it doesn't take much time for protagonists to come up with asymmetrical solutions to their problems.
well it's true that force had all those problems but it is still better than what we've got now the best thing we've got so far is the upcoming movie and I was kind of surprised to see Nanoha using the strike cannon in the trailer
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Old 2017-05-20, 11:25   Link #8316
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Sure, that is why I would actually prefer Force to Vivid. Force is a mess, but it's Nanoha mess. Vivid is closely related but it simply is not Nanoha.

Yeah, strike cannon is cool it feels to me like they are recycling interesting designs from the Force since they are probably quietly robbing it's grave.
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Old 2017-10-05, 17:03   Link #8317
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Yeah they definitely are but at least we'll see the strike cannon in action.
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