[Manga] Can anyone Beat Itachi?

[Tettsuo]

So far, it seems that many folks here believe that Itachi is God incarnate. That in a one on one match, no one can beat him. Most of this is based on Oro saying that Itachi is stronger than he is, and his fight with Kakashi.

However.. I think he can be beaten by someone who knows how to deal with his Sharingan.

Personally, I think Jiyaira and Gai would be a good match for Itachi. I'm betting that Jiyaira knows how to deal with Sharingan users, and Gai has had enough battles with Kakashi (whether or not these were actually fights is unknown), that he'll know what needs to be done in order to fight a Sharingan user. Then, include him opening a few gates....

So my 2 choices for beating Itachi are:

Jiyaira - Too much knowledge, battle experience and pure power. I'm sure he'll be able to come up with something to put the smackdown on Itachi.

Gai - The fastest and strongest jounin by far, not including opening the gates. Once he does... it'll be something to see. If Itachi can't use his Sharingan on him, I don't think his body would be able to keep up with Gai's extreme high speed gates opened taijutsu.

[Vong]

Good choices. Itachi ran away from Jiraiya so that one is kinda obvious... and he avoided facing him head on at all costs (that diversion trick was stupid)...

I assume Gai can open eight gates (nothing to back it up, I'm just assuming it). In that case, he would have more power than Hokage so I think that should be enough to defeat Itachi.

Let's not forget Tsunade though. She may be the only one who can survive Tsukiyomi (if he even hits her with it). And all she needs is one punch.

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None of these are foregone conclusions but I think all three matchups are a tossup.

[Anthriel]

This kind of thread has been done to death already.
Anyway ... Gai doesn't stand a chance against Itachi. He loses about half of the fights against Kakashi, he would lose far more often than that against Itachi, who is basically just a way stronger version of Kakashi.

[Skorpa]

Originally Posted by Vong

Good choices. Itachi ran away from Jiraiya so that one is kinda obvious... and he avoided facing him head on at all costs (that diversion trick was stupid)...

I assume Gai can open eight gates (nothing to back it up, I'm just assuming it). In that case, he would have more power than Hokage so I think that should be enough to defeat Itachi.

Let's not forget Tsunade though. She may be the only one who can survive Tsukiyomi (if he even hits her with it). And all she needs is one punch.

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None of these are foregone conclusions but I think all three matchups are a tossup.

IF Tsunade could even hit Itachi... he has the sharingan u know

[Ke0]

Having a Sharingan does not make you unhitable, yet another Sharingan myth

[ccardoso]

You people think too much. Do you want a simple way to defeat Itachi? To put two nice fingers into his eyes!!! Eyes-destroyer no jutsu!

[skillosopher]

Originally Posted by Tettsuo

So far, it seems that many folks here believe that Itachi is God incarnate. That in a one on one match, no one can beat him. Most of this is based on Oro saying that Itachi is stronger than he is, and his fight with Kakashi.

However.. I think he can be beaten by someone who knows how to deal with his Sharingan.

Personally, I think Jiyaira and Gai would be a good match for Itachi. I'm betting that Jiyaira knows how to deal with Sharingan users, and Gai has had enough battles with Kakashi (whether or not these were actually fights is unknown), that he'll know what needs to be done in order to fight a Sharingan user. Then, include him opening a few gates....

So my 2 choices for beating Itachi are:

Jiyaira - Too much knowledge, battle experience and pure power. I'm sure he'll be able to come up with something to put the smackdown on Itachi.

Gai - The fastest and strongest jounin by far, not including opening the gates. Once he does... it'll be something to see. If Itachi can't use his Sharingan on him, I don't think his body would be able to keep up with Gai's extreme high speed gates opened taijutsu.

very good, and very plausable choices. but i still dont think that gai has what it takes to beat itachi. his record with kakashi is at about even with 50 wins 49 losses or something like that. kakashi's sharingan is alot weaker than itachi's and im fairly sure itachi knows how to use it better, and kakashi was also surprised how fast he uses jitsu techniques. so...i say gai might have a slim chance of beating itachi...but almost non-existing. if gai can lose 49 times out of 100 to kakashi, then im guessing he'd lose 99 times out of 100 to itachi (give or take a few).

jiraiya on the other hand...is another story. out of the sannin i think he might have the best chance at defeating itachi. so if i had to pick people to fight itachi 1 on 1. i'd first go through the sannin starting with jiraiya, then tsunade, then orochimaru. then id move on down to taijitsu specialists and people with sharingan experience like gai. another good choice would have been kakashi since he knows about the sharingan powers, but we already know he got wasted.

[OniLink742]

Honestly, I find that Orochimaru could easily beat Itachi. I don't know why the hell he said that Itachi was stronger, but I think if they got matched up, Oro would win.

But then again...Konohamaru could jump in, do Sexy no Jutsu, make Itachi's nose bleed and run over and stab him int he heart! w00t!

[Kayess]

Originally Posted by Tettsuo

So far, it seems that many folks here believe that Itachi is God incarnate. That in a one on one match, no one can beat him. Most of this is based on Oro saying that Itachi is stronger than he is, and his fight with Kakashi.

However.. I think he can be beaten by someone who knows how to deal with his Sharingan.

Personally, I think Jiyaira and Gai would be a good match for Itachi. I'm betting that Jiyaira knows how to deal with Sharingan users, and Gai has had enough battles with Kakashi (whether or not these were actually fights is unknown), that he'll know what needs to be done in order to fight a Sharingan user. Then, include him opening a few gates....

So my 2 choices for beating Itachi are:

Jiyaira - Too much knowledge, battle experience and pure power. I'm sure he'll be able to come up with something to put the smackdown on Itachi.

Gai - The fastest and strongest jounin by far, not including opening the gates. Once he does... it'll be something to see. If Itachi can't use his Sharingan on him, I don't think his body would be able to keep up with Gai's extreme high speed gates opened taijutsu.

Your Gai opinion is flawed. He is only as strong as Kakashi is... Physical strength he is superior, but in the other fields Kakashi beats him...

As for speed... we do not know how fast he is. The only reference to his speed is a chuunin saying "Fast".... (Chuunin about to kill naruto after the sleep genjutsu)
People only assume he is faster than lee, since he is lee's sensei.. but there has not been any direct evidence he is.

From the facts we do know: Gai is fast. No where is it said fastest Jounin by far. Gai is also quite strong, stronger physically than Kakashi (Refer to Kakashi's climbing exercise with one hand and compare to Gai's feats of strength [the laps around konoha on hands/punching guy through the wall]) According to the Naruto character book, he is weaker in the fields of ninjutsu and genjutsu... So Kakashi and Gai are about the same strength, as said by them... and as can be inferred from the character books.

On the other hand... Itachi himself has impressive speed, as he can form seals faster than a jounin can see (Kurenia). Itachi is quicker than lee, as compared to Sasuke's speed which Lee said to be at his level (Hallways seen with Sasuke charging). So it is up in the air who is quicker, gai or Itachi.

In my personal opinion, Gai stands little to no chance against Itachi.

I believe Itachi is on the same level as the sannin.

But those are just my opinions... so just keep to the facts.

EDIT: To answer the question, I believe whether or not Itachi can be defeated lays within facts not yet revealed in the manga, such as his weaknesses... etc.

[MysticNinjaJay]

A Sharingan user has 2 major weaknesses. Taijutsu specialists and ninja opponents with a bloodline limit. Battles Itachi is more likely to not have an advantage with sharingan are ones he is more likely to lose. Ninja such as Hiashi the Hyuuga head master would have a good shot and so would Gai. The sannin espcially Jiraiya have moves that are unique and require animal contracts to do. Orochimaru is a Ninjutsu specialist with all kinds of kinjustu Itachi isn't likely to be able to copy and can double team him with powerful undead fighters. Jiraiya has proven Itachi can't fool around with him and uses moves that only a toad tamer like himself can use. Tsunade has proven she can recover from almost any attack and even got over her fear of blood making her very dangerous. The thing is we don't know how tough Itachi is without using sharingan. We know his speed is incredible even against Jounin and he executes jutsu so fast they don't even bother to show him doing hand seals. He has a good overall knowledge of Ninjutsu,Genjutsu and Taijutsu as he displayed in battle so far and may even specialize in all 3. He's not a god although Itachi's moves are named after powerful shinto God's and he's a villian so he's likely to lose eventually but thus far he hasn't been put in a position where he fully intends to fight his opponent to the death, where victory is the most important option. When that comes we'll see if Itachi can live up to the reputation. Right now his reputation is pretty good. Stronger than the Sannin who beat the strongest Kage (even if he was past his prime). ANBU captain while still an Adolescent. Graduating from ninja academy as a snot nosed second grade aged kid. Entrusted with leading perhaps Akatsuki's most important assignment. The day he backs up that reputation will be a good day for anime and manga fans.

[kazumaofshellbullet]

With what we have seen of Itachi until now, I would say not too many guys. Only guys I would say that even have a chance against Itachi right now are jiraiya, tsunade and orochimaru(barely). Forgot to mention that all the previous hokages of konoha until now can beat Itachi in their primes(late teens & 20's).

If you guys want to wait another 5 yrs or so later in the manga than I would add naruto and sasuke

[raikage]

To clarify:
Gai IS faster than Kakashi. Sasuke noted as such before the paper test in the Chuunin exam.

50-49: Sure, if you count Kakashi's janken victory. Gai usually gravitates towards real competitions.

Zabuza might have had a decent chance.

[Kayess]

Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

A Sharingan user has 2 major weaknesses. Taijutsu specialists and ninja opponents with a bloodline limit. Battles Itachi is more likely to not have an advantage with sharingan are ones he is more likely to lose. Ninja such as Hiashi the Hyuuga head master would have a good shot and so would Gai. The sannin espcially Jiraiya have moves that are unique and require animal contracts to do. Orochimaru is a Ninjutsu specialist with all kinds of kinjustu Itachi isn't likely to be able to copy and can double team him with powerful undead fighters. Jiraiya has proven Itachi can't fool around with him and uses moves that only a toad tamer like himself can use. Tsunade has proven she can recover from almost any attack and even got over her fear of blood making her very dangerous. The thing is we don't know how tough Itachi is without using sharingan. We know his speed is incredible even against Jounin and he executes jutsu so fast they don't even bother to show him doing hand seals. He has a good overall knowledge of Ninjutsu,Genjutsu and Taijutsu as he displayed in battle so far and may even specialize in all 3. He's not a god although Itachi's moves are named after powerful shinto God's and he's a villian so he's likely to lose eventually but thus far he hasn't been put in a position where he fully intends to fight his opponent to the death, where victory is the most important option. When that comes we'll see if Itachi can live up to the reputation. Right now his reputation is pretty good. Stronger than the Sannin who beat the strongest Kage (even if he was past his prime). ANBU captain while still an Adolescent. Graduating from ninja academy as a snot nosed second grade aged kid. Entrusted with leading perhaps Akatsuki's most important assignment. The day he backs up that reputation will be a good day for anime and manga fans.

Your main point only applies if the user relies on the sharingan. Again, it hasn't been shown that Itachi does or does not, and the fact that he used the sharingan the single time we saw him means nothing overall. He can keep it on at all times, apparently.. but it doesn't mean he relies on it. Once again, your opinion is based on pure assumptions and has little fact to it. We do not know if Itachi copied the frog stomach jutsu... or if he can copy kinjutsu... or if he relies on the sharingan.. and how great of a ninja he is without it.

Once again, we will have to wait for more conclusive evidence.

[MysticNinjaJay]

Originally Posted by Kayess

Your main point only applies if the user relies on the sharingan. Again, it hasn't been shown that Itachi does or does not, and the fact that he used the sharingan the single time we saw him means nothing overall. He can keep it on at all times, apparently.. but it doesn't mean he relies on it. Once again, your opinion is based on pure assumptions and has little fact to it. We do not know if Itachi copied the frog stomach jutsu... or if he can copy kinjutsu... or if he relies on the sharingan.. and how great of a ninja he is without it.

Once again, we will have to wait for more conclusive evidence.

I don't know why you are flaming me but you said it your self, we've only seen Itachi fight with Sharingan so thats the basis of what I said. I didn't say anyone can beat Itachi and I don't think the Ninjas I mentioned can beat him either I was merely saying those people would have the best shot. I also stated that we don't know what Itachi is capable of without sharingan which is more than likely alot...... you need to read more carefully. Itachi could have copied allthat stufff sure but we know to summon animals you need to have a contract with them, thats how Orochimaru uses his jutsus aswell as Jiraiya. If Itachi does have a contract with them he can likely copy the move just like that but we don't even know if he can summon. Calm down and read more thoroughly I was only stating possibilities.

edit: Let me just give you a small example of why you look like an idiot when you quote my entire post and come to your ridiculous assumption that leaves me baffled when I read your tiny paragraph response......

Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

The thing is we don't know how tough Itachi is without using sharingan.

"Your main point only applies if the user relies on the sharingan." Read carefully BEFORE posting dribble!

[Fei-san]

great, some people start using the "blah blah beats booboo so blah blah must beat kaka, since booboo beats kaka"
would beat everything if Sasuke just get's on with it and kills Itachi so 1 overhyped character goes away and 1 whiny bitch would stop being a whiny bitch

[Tettsuo]

Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

The thing is we don't know how tough Itachi is without using sharingan.

Exactly my thinking. We have no idea just what kind of battle it would be if someone could cancel out Itachi's Sharingan. Most of Itachi's genjutsu may be connected to his Sharingan (or not, we don't really know for certain). We do know that his most powerful attack is based on his Sharingan.

Gai has clearly stated that there are ways around the Sharingan (one is to look at the feet of your opponent, and the other was never stated). Itachi made it clear that Gai was not to be taken lightly (showing some respect for his power). It has been stated that Gai is faster than Kakashi. I've made the claim of strength because Gai is rated higher in that aspect in the character book. His loses to Kakashi aren't necessarily from battles (rock, paper, scissors anyone?). Also, Gai has stated that he was a loser until he worked hard to gain his current power level. We really have no idea how strong he is now based on the competitions Kakashi chooses (or if those are actually battles and not mocked). I can said with absolute certainty that Gai is faster than Lee with the weights off (as he seemed to just appear and disappear when shown the first time). Until there is another Jounin shown to be faster, I'm going to assume that no other Jounin is as fast as Gai.

If he's already that fast and powerful, imagine the power he'd have after opening just a few gates.

Jiraiya power was enough to single-handedly make Itachi back off (Jiraiya was smiling the entire time).

[Deth moad ue]

we've only seen the following people go all out:
Naruto
Sasuke
Sakura
Neji
Shikamaru
Gaara
Choji
Ten-ten

basically....we've no idea what itachi, the jounins (kaka included), the sannins, and the hokages are capable of. We've seen how many of 1,000 jutsu's kakashi can do??

less than 20. and he's one of the characters we know most about....others, we've seen far less.

We can only make assumptions based on what we've seen and what characters say....nothing is concrete. I can say
"My fighting style is more than enough to k.o. mike tyson, but does that make it true?" No..just like oro thinking itachi is stronger don't make it so.

so in conclusion. NO ONE KNOWS who would beat who except for between characters who have given their all.

Itachi has barely broken a sweat.

[Gunboat Diplomat]

Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

I don't know why you are flaming me...

While I wouldn't call what Kayess posted a flame, it's obvious he didn't read your entire post. There's a reason why you have Itachi as your avatar...

[Kayess]

Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

I don't know why you are flaming me but you said it your self, we've only seen Itachi fight with Sharingan so thats the basis of what I said. I didn't say anyone can beat Itachi and I don't think the Ninjas I mentioned can beat him either I was merely saying those people would have the best shot. I also stated that we don't know what Itachi is capable of without sharingan which is more than likely alot...... you need to read more carefully. Itachi could have copied allthat stufff sure but we know to summon animals you need to have a contract with them, thats how Orochimaru uses his jutsus aswell as Jiraiya. If Itachi does have a contract with them he can likely copy the move just like that but we don't even know if he can summon. Calm down and read more thoroughly I was only stating possibilities.

edit: Let me just give you a small example of why you look like an idiot when you quote my entire post and come to your ridiculous assumption that leaves me baffled when I read your tiny paragraph response......

"Your main point only applies if the user relies on the sharingan." Read carefully BEFORE posting dribble!

A Sharingan user has 2 major weaknesses. Taijutsu specialists and ninja opponents with a bloodline limit. Battles Itachi is more likely to not have an advantage with sharingan are ones he is more likely to lose. Ninja such as Hiashi the Hyuuga head master would have a good shot and so would Gai. The sannin espcially Jiraiya have moves that are unique and require animal contracts to do. Orochimaru is a Ninjutsu specialist with all kinds of kinjustu Itachi isn't likely to be able to copy and can double team him with powerful undead fighters. Jiraiya has proven Itachi can't fool around with him and uses moves that only a toad tamer like himself can use. Tsunade has proven she can recover from almost any attack and even got over her fear of blood making her very dangerous.

Whoops, I forgot you are a moron and cannot remember what YOU wrote. In addition, you failed to even read my small post. Btw: If I look like an ass to you, or anyone else... it matters little to me. You are all just ones and zeros to me! And I will be deep in the ground when a group of binary numbers make me feel bad . The fact remains... you have to wait before you make your assumptions. Think before you reply. Maybe there is a reason why I didn't make a comment on your second half of your paragraph... maybe because I agree on it...huh? Does your puny mind comprehend that people can be opposed to a section of something, while in agreement with the other? As for quoting the entire thing, that is my bad... I am just too lazy to cut out the stuff I wish not to comment on .

[MysticNinjaJay]

Originally Posted by Gunboat Diplomat

While I wouldn't call what Kayess posted a flame, it's obvious he didn't read your entire post. There's a reason why you have Itachi as your avatar...

All the more reason for the confusion. I think deth said it all. Unless we see a character go all out we can only assume certain things are true about them in these threads. Orochimaru never said why Itachi is stronger than him. Maybe sharingan was the very reason he said that, he may fear its true powers having seen Itachi display them. Maybe Itachi is just all around a superior fighter to Orochimaru and every skill and strength Oro has he can either copy or top it. Perhaps getting Sasuke is all he needs to close the gap between their levels. I don't think we are goingt to see every jutsu for everyone. Its highly unlikely Kakashi will show all 1000 or so jutsus he has displayed. Neither will Orochimaru show every single thing he has in his arsenal. But when we see a character go all out the way Gaara did against Naruto or Zabuza did against Kakashi or Lee did or Sakura did we know what they are fully capable of because they are giving it their best. We don't know the limits of any of the Sannin because they were disadvantaged in all of their battles and never got a chance to show the bulk of their skill. All though if you call summoning beast they can barely control the limit of their power than we know it does getting any bigger than that but does it get cooler? Probably. Gai and Jiraiya might be able to give Itachi a good fight, Jiraiya more than Gai I believe but it isn't safe to assume anyone can beat Itachi until we see him go all out fighting an opponent.

Originally Posted by Kayess

Whoops, I forgot you are a moron and cannot remember what YOU wrote.

That was mature Kayess. Did you stop reading it there? And what in that little bit that you cut off do you find illogical