Code Geass R2 - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

while i wont get into an argument about what lulu does or doesnt feel for kallen here (since this is not the thread) i would say one thing that relates to this ep
the scene with rivals almost being clubed and lulu not caring happens first
the scene with kallen happens after that and takes longer and is expresed with both background music and actually response from lelouch (once kallen is out of earshot)
this is meant to be viewed as a progression
first lulu pushes away his friends
then he pushes kallen away
hence the scene is ment to show that kallen is a step above how he views his friends
lulu view rivals (and probably milly and nina) as friends
and kallen as MORE then a friend
at least thats my impression of the way the scenes where made

Or it could be she just happened to be more involved and as such took longer to let down. He gave her the same treatment far as I could see, she just had the benefit of circumstances to get more out of it but leave just as empty-handed as the others. <_<

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Or it could be she just happened to be more involved and as such took longer to let down. He gave her the same treatment far as I could see, she just had the benefit of circumstances to get more out of it but leave just as empty-handed as the others. <_<

im just saying that its how i see the scene as being framed
and he didnt break character while rivals was almost clobbered but he did inorder to say good by to kallen
again thats just the scene

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

im just saying that its how i see the scene as being framed
and he didnt break character while rivals was almost clobbered but he did inorder to say good by to kallen
again thats just the scene

And again that's not how I saw it anyway, she was just more involved and thus got more of the benefit from it from my view anyway.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

And again that's not how I saw it anyway, she was just more involved and thus got more of the benefit from it from my view anyway.

like i never really intended to argue right now (its 2am at my place)
just said my views

[Revolutionist]

Kallen is an eleven, Lelouch is a Britannian. It is doubtful he has any feelings for her besides liking her as a friend. The goodbye doesn't prove that he "loves" her, it just proves that it took more for him to push her away than Rivalz, who he just ignored.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Kallen is an eleven, Lelouch is a Britannian. It is doubtful he has any feelings for her besides liking her as a friend. The goodbye doesn't prove that he "loves" her, it just proves that it took more for him to push her away than Rivalz, who he just ignored.

Then logically, if Rivalz is Lelouch's friend, the fact that it took Lelouch more to push away Kallen would mean that Kallen is more than just Lelouch's friend. It's simple math.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Kallen is an eleven, Lelouch is a Britannian. It is doubtful he has any feelings for her besides liking her as a friend. The goodbye doesn't prove that he "loves" her, it just proves that it took more for him to push her away than Rivalz, who he just ignored.

Kallen is Half-Britannian.

[KrimzonStriker]

Uhh, now I wouldn't go that far, she's half-britannian after all but even being an 'eleven' I doubt he'd care if he really was in love, though I do think since I doubt he knows what love is, he probably does only see her as a good friend probably.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Kallen is an eleven, Lelouch is a Britannian. It is doubtful he has any feelings for her besides liking her as a friend. The goodbye doesn't prove that he "loves" her, it just proves that it took more for him to push her away than Rivalz, who he just ignored.

Since when has Lelouch ever decided matters based on race? That aside, he clearly likes her more than a friend. You don't tell someone who's just a friend to "live on" with what is supposed to be your last breath, and that scene in 22 shows him practically biting his lip just to keep from saying something, not to mention that sorrowful goodbye.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Since when has Lelouch ever decided matters based on race? That aside, he clearly likes her more than a friend. You don't tell someone who's just a friend to "live on" with what is supposed to be your last breath, and that scene in 22 shows him practically biting his lip just to keep from saying something, not to mention that sorrowful goodbye.

Didn't he say the same thing to Suzaku once upon a time when he was going to get blown up too. Or C.C for that matter while the Emperor encased him in the pyramids? Or even begging Rolo to not throw his life away for him which he had already given up... I didn't see him biting anything myself, he kept a pretty straight face I thought, if I do admit that he might have been a bit depressed. I could say the same for Rivalz too though but whatever >_>

[Revolutionist]

Originally Posted by azarhal

Kallen is Half-Britannian.

She's still an Eleven, and claims herself as one. Besides, nobody questioned whether she was an Eleven or not in the first episode when she was passing as a bunny in the casino, which means she looks more Eleven than Britannian.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

She's still an Eleven, and claims herself as one. Besides, nobody questioned whether she was an Eleven or not in the first episode when she was passing as a bunny in the casino, which means she looks more Eleven than Britannian.

Those bunnies were prostitutes, if you didn't realize. I doubt they'd care what she was. It is noted in the first season and in her personal story-things that she can easily pass as a full-blood Britannian.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

She's still an Eleven, and claims herself as one. Besides, nobody questioned whether she was an Eleven or not in the first episode when she was passing as a bunny in the casino, which means she looks more Eleven than Britannian.

your totally wrong!
come on that bust size?
That's totally brittinian side of her. XD

[sLum]

Originally Posted by Witacume

your totally wrong!
come on that bust size?
That's totally brittinian side of her. XD

Many, many, many Japanese women have large busts.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Didn't he say the same thing to Suzaku once upon a time when he was going to get blown up too. Or C.C for that matter while the Emperor encased him in the pyramids? Or even begging Rolo to not throw his life away for him which he had already given up... I didn't see him biting anything myself, he kept a pretty straight face I thought, if I do admit that he might have been a bit depressed. I could say the same for Rivalz too though but whatever >_>

Forcing with Geass is a far cry from a request by someone who has resolved to die. Not gonna argue C.C., since he does care about her more than he does most others. With Rolo he was already in a mood to die, and Lelouch had to watch him throw his life away and couldn't stop him.

See just after Kallen asks what he's planning to do for (possibly) biting his lip. At the very least, he wanted to say something at that point but couldn't. He was a lot more straight-faced with Rivalz.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by sLum

Many, many, many Japanese women have large busts.

it was a joke xD
i sure they do but their in the minority fo sho XD

[Revolutionist]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Since when has Lelouch ever decided matters based on race? That aside, he clearly likes her more than a friend. You don't tell someone who's just a friend to "live on" with what is supposed to be your last breath, and that scene in 22 shows him practically biting his lip just to keep from saying something, not to mention that sorrowful goodbye.

Considering that he was using the Zero mask, he could not afford to decide matters based on race. Now that he's emperor though he probably understands why Britannia is superior to Numbers.

The live on deal just means that he didn't want her to die for him since he viewed himself as someone not worth dying for. You don't have to be in love with someone to not want them to die for you. And it he wasn't biting his lip to not say anything, that's in your imagination. Just like the sorrowful sayonara, that wasn't sorrowful, that was emotionless. Just as you'd expect from an evil emperor.

Anyways, Britannia is not a race, nationality, or ethnicity, it is a STATE OF MIND!

[Revolutionist]

Originally Posted by Witacume

your totally wrong!
come on that bust size?
That's totally brittinian side of her. XD

Lol, true

[sLum]

Originally Posted by Witacume

it was a joke xD
i sure they do but their in the minority fo sho XD

No argument there.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Forcing with Geass is a far cry from a request by someone who has resolved to die. Not gonna argue C.C., since he does care about her more than he does most others. With Rolo he was already in a mood to die, and Lelouch had to watch him throw his life away and couldn't stop him.

See just after Kallen asks what he's planning to do for (possibly) biting his lip. At the very least, he wanted to say something at that point but couldn't. He was a lot more straight-faced with Rivalz.

Pish posh, if she'd tried to take the hit and if he could Geass her again to live I bet he would have as well. As for Rolo, seems about the same as with Kallen in my view since that all happened in the same sequence with him in the mood to die.

Kind of easier if he's a good distance away past a barrier. And I went back, can't tell if there's any biting myself. >_>

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Considering that he was using the Zero mask, he could not afford to decide matters based on race. Now that he's emperor though he probably understands why Britannia is superior to Numbers.

The live on deal just means that he didn't want her to die for him since he viewed himself as someone not worth dying for. You don't have to be in love with someone to not want them to die for you. And it he wasn't biting his lip to not say anything, that's in your imagination. Just like the sorrowful sayonara, that wasn't sorrowful, that was emotionless. Just as you'd expect from an evil emperor.

Anyways, Britannia is not a race, nationality, or ethnicity, it is a STATE OF MIND!

His Knight of Zero is Japanese in case you forgot. Lelouch may be many things, but a racist he is not <_<